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Looks like GW2 is going to hurt you know who.....
Thornz2000
Member Posts: 135
in Guild Wars 2
This article is pretty good and focuses on the over $$$$ of GW2 and 'THAT' other company.
Enjoy....
/em rubs hands together <insert diabolical laugh>
Noticed the lightning flashing and the thunder booming...
The world we know is going away http://www.graystatemovie.com/
Look up Agenda 21 as well.
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Doubtful. There are enough fans and people will buy anything with the Blizz logo on the box. Rift and TSW will be crucified before WoW will.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
I doubt Rift and TSW (although players are screaming for more ned game in TSW - so who knows) will be affected. THe games not doing well, Tera and TOR will be the ones hit the hardest.
100% agree. WoW has the fan base to not get hurt much.. WoW is in decline in general, but GW2 will not crucify it. I wouldnt be surprised if intial sales of pandas were lowwer than expectations though.
True, was pointing out how many smaller MMOs will fall before WoW will. WoW will continue to do just fine as it always has. MoP will bring in some new subs at least for a time just like every other expansion.
Don't forget Candyman.....
The world we know is going away http://www.graystatemovie.com/
Look up Agenda 21 as well.
WoW is a popular game (notice, I did NOT say anything about good/bad). Any developer would DIE for 9.1 million subscribers.
I don't ever see WoW becoming F2P (at least not in the next 5 years). Even if it had 3 million people subscribing, that's still 360-540 million dollars a year in its coffers.
However, I do believe that we are witnessing an end to any possible growth with WoW. I can not see this game attracting more new subscribers than the amount of people who leave the game.
GW2 will cause two things to happen to WoW: there will be a substantial player dip. That dip will be partially rectified by MoP and people who still prefer WoW.
HOWEVER, what is more insidious is the amount of time subscribers will spend playing WoW over the long run. GW2 will always be on a buyer's computer. It won't leave, it won't require a subscription fee, and even if you don't purchase a single expansion, you still recieve substantial updates to the game (assuming ANet has a brain). That will cause some people who still subscribe to WoW to split their time between AT LEAST two games. And the less people play, the emptier the game world will seem, possibly hurting new subscription numbers again.
Will GW2 kill WoW? I don't think so. Hell, click on the Game List and look at all the games that are NOT WoW that are still alive and thriving.
However, we ARE entering an era where the only thing that WoW has better than newer MMOs is 8 years of content.
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
Gah! Can't believe I did!
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
Beleive the decline will be the natural order of things with all the new MMOs that are solid MMOs. But yeah this expansion will likely be the lowest sales in expansions but will still be profitable none the less.
Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.
And about the market. GW2 itself won't make much of a dent anywhere on that giant monster. What ultimately scares off the investors is the drop-off in subscriptions and the declining revenue that comes with it.
I foresee terrible mergings in the high-end development firms. Desperation has driven less well off companies into "letting themselves be taken over". EA-ActiZard, anyone?
All of the above quoted for truth. GW2 is not a "WoW-Killer". There IS no "WoW-Killer" and never will be. the game will decline over time as people move on. I do think it will move f2p in the somewhat near future; this will be a revival for the game, not a punishment.
I dont think so. WoW customers are hard set to WoW. What I think GW2 will do is bring a large enough draw of people that ANet will make phat cash. At that point I can see a lot of smaller companies trying to follow the model. B2P, fair cash shop. Not offer a giant game but offer something unique that will bring in a fan set that will keep that new MMO going. If GW2 clears 5 mill subs, then I think Blizzard will take note of that and change their ways. But as it stands bringing in what looks to be 2-3 mill players (who knows how many will stay) I dont think Blizzard will blink. Only Blizzard can kill WoW.
GW2 is not going to kill WoW any time soon. It's going to be just like all the other new mmo's that have come out over recent years, lots of hype, people playing it like mad... for a month or two.
What will limit MOP's success far more than GW2 is MOP itself. Blizzard isn't making the quality games it once did (D3 anyone?). That will have a far larger impact on WoWs success than GW2 or any other new MMO will, at least until Titan starts appearing.
Agreed. Rift, Tera, TSW and yes SWTOR as well will all suffer due to GW2's release and WOW's MoP expansion. However, I do believe that MoP will be the worst selling expansion since Vanilla... time will tell though.
MMO's are not about fun at higher levels. Its about $$$$ with sub's.
I do not hate WoW at all. It was the upgrade from EverQuest I liked.
However, every dinosaur has its asteroid. Or many smaller ones that do kill it off. This is fact.
Blizzard has been teasing people with their hidden next gen MMO. I would not be surprised to see them starting to show some of it off to curb people from jumping ship or even talk about F2P MMO.
Whatever happens we should see the effects with the next 4-6mo.
Time will tell.
The world we know is going away http://www.graystatemovie.com/
Look up Agenda 21 as well.
Just remembered The Language of Mordor.
The world we know is going away http://www.graystatemovie.com/
Look up Agenda 21 as well.
Good. I hope Gw2 kicks WoW right in the nuts. I also hope guilds in WoW leave in droves. WoW is a hollow shell from what it once was. It is time.
FTA:
Subscription revenue alone totaled $1.2 billion both in 2008 and 2009, and an additional $1.36 billion in 2010. Corresponding costs (the overhead cost of maintaining WoW’s virtual world) totaled a mere $404 million in the first two years mentioned, and $241 million in 2010. This means that WoW subscriptions have generated gross margins over 80% consistently.
This alone is why the sub model must now die. For every 5 dollars that gamers give them they pocket 4 and spend 1 on supporting the game. They have exploited this far too much. They could have been charging half what they were for subs and still have been making a killing. I am not anit-captialist but what has suffered here is customer value. What is our money really purchasing. They should have/could have doubled their staff and produced that much more inovative content to stay out ahead. They choose to take profits instead. This has opened the door for competition to produce a better product for cheaper. It is inevitable that this was eventually going to catch up to them.
i see it now
signup for the 2nd year of annual pass and get guaranteed beta access to Titan
EQ2 fan sites
oooooooh... now I've got chills!
Don't forget who started it all, who was original master of the Lord (Sauron) of the rings... Morgoth (Melkor)!
(P.S. yes, I know I'm a nerd)
But that market analyst is missing a few key things: Mists of Panderia. That's an expansion that releases 1 month after Guild Wars 2 and may bring back more paying subscription customers to the game. MAYBE.
However, the project known as "TITAN" has been in production for what would be 3-4 years now without any word. That project is supposed to put live back into Blizzard by shifting it's losing customers into a game owned by them. But, it's still MIA so that those losing customers will instead go to competative markets.
Diablo 3 did well enough, but they also used it as bait to get 1 million people to sign up for WoW for another year, to think that some of those millions that are currently "Locked in" will not renew this comming year without another bait/carrot to entice them to do so. I mean, the only thing that I can think for them to do is give away MoP for free to those that sign up for another year locked it.