Lets say.. hypothetically that we got Zerg A charging a castle with "said" cash shop buffs against Zerg B who is protecting the castle. Now lets say that Zerg A and Zerg B are both exactly the same in skill spot on, sorry hypothetically of course, Who is going to win?
My money is on the team that puts their time into making the catapults and seige weapons to break down the doors or the team who builds cannons and arrow turrets to stop them.
Wait thats not an option and not part of my hypothetical question? moving on...
I guess Ill have a little stab at it. I didn't read all 20 pages so if someone posted something like this already my bad.
“… it’s never OK for players who spend money to have an unfair advantage over players who spend time."
Theres the quote. Now here are the two players:
Player A spends money NOT time.
Player B spends time NOT money.
Will player B be at a unfair disadvantage over player A? NO!
Why? because the "advantages" you can gain through the CS do not give him an upper hand over someone who has played more, it might let them catch up a bit which is the whole point. Players that don't have all the time in the world to be able to get caught up with the folks who do have a lot of time.
I think the problem here is many are looking at the scenario as if both players played the same amount of time and one of them spend money. There the player that spent the money will be at an advantage, but that is not what his quote says. I emphasize "unfair" and "players who spend time" in my argument.
That's the stupiest argument I ever heard. I guess from the GW2 developer too.
Player A spend 1000$ to buy godly sword of power and not time
Player B spend 1000 hours grinding to craft godly sword of power and not money
Will player B be at a unfair advantage over Play A? NO!
I guess you dont' know that's how all the f2p asain game works. In most game it's always possible to have the best gear without using cashshop. You just have to grind thousands of hours.
What GW2 done right is the cash shop "gives very minimum advantage" in the cashshop. That's the deciding factor why people isn't bothered by GW2 cashshop.
Did you mean to say disadvantage? If not I don't understand what ur trying to say.
Bully, food gives better buffs and does not require any cash shop purchase.Mystic chest stuff is also randomized, so there is really no way to predict which buff you're going to get. It's hot or miss. You can open 3 chests and get 1 str buff and 2 speed buffs or you can get 3 speed buffs. Food gives you the best bang for your buck. The only place these buffs would matter is in sPvP, where one player can change the outcome of the battle. In WvW, with hundreds of players running around, 1 person with 10% str or damage reduction is meaningless.
There will be entire guildS with these buffs.
Not only can I see entire guilds with these buffs, I can see the hardest of hardcore guilds providing the buffs for everyone during WvW, and in order to be a member you will be expected to contribute a quota amount of Chests and Keys between zergs to "stock up" for the next fight. In other words, entire guilds of CS users totally dominating WvW.
Yes, I can see a lot of guilds collectively spending thousands of dollars per week on random buffs.
Second most ridiculous comment I read today. This board is turning into a real comedy goldmine.
There will be Hardcore CS using guilds, and they will "buy" WvWvW, Regardless if keys are tradeable or not, or whatever. Member will be "expected" to have buffs. And They will win and you (the non CS user) are there to be their "content". They will farm you.
Nothing you say changes the fact that this game is becoming less and less what was originally promised and more and more like everything else out there with a cash shop.
Arguments like, I got 3-4 keys in BWE...yeah, and just like every other cash shop driven game, you always get a few CS items early on as so you can have a little taste of what you are missing.
I laugh at the fans who for months and months threw arguments out there like "GW2 has no gear grind!" LOL, no, instead you will be grinding for chests, keys and gold for gems to get your temporary buffs. Whats the difference if the stats are in the gear or the buffs? Yeah, temporary! So now when you lose in PVP instead of arguing that you lost because of the stupid gear grind, you can complain that you lost because of the stupid buff grind.
Bully, food gives better buffs and does not require any cash shop purchase.Mystic chest stuff is also randomized, so there is really no way to predict which buff you're going to get. It's hot or miss. You can open 3 chests and get 1 str buff and 2 speed buffs or you can get 3 speed buffs. Food gives you the best bang for your buck. The only place these buffs would matter is in sPvP, where one player can change the outcome of the battle. In WvW, with hundreds of players running around, 1 person with 10% str or damage reduction is meaningless.
There will be entire guildS with these buffs.
Not only can I see entire guilds with these buffs, I can see the hardest of hardcore guilds providing the buffs for everyone during WvW, and in order to be a member you will be expected to contribute a quota amount of Chests and Keys between zergs to "stock up" for the next fight. In other words, entire guilds of CS users totally dominating WvW.
Yes, I can see a lot of guilds collectively spending thousands of dollars per week on random buffs.
Second most ridiculous comment I read today. This board is turning into a real comedy goldmine.
Oh, does that comment make you a bit upset? Because There will be Hardcore CS using guilds, and they will "buy" WvWvW, Regardless if keys are tradeable or not, or whatever. Member will be "expected" to have buffs. And They will win and you (the non CS user) are there to be their "content". They will farm you.
Nothing you say changes the fact that this game is becoming less and less what was originally promised and more and more like everything else out there with a cash shop.
Arguments like, I got 3-4 keys in BWE...yeah, and just like every other cash shop driven game, you always get a few CS items early on as so you can have a little taste of what you are missing.
I laugh at the fans who for months and months threw arguments out there like "GW2 has no gear grind!" LOL, no, instead you will be grinding for chests, keys and gold for gems to get your temporary buffs. Whats the difference if the stats are in the gear or the buffs? Yeah, temporary! So now when you lose in PVP instead of arguing that you lost because of the stupid gear grind, you can complain that you lost because of the stupid buff grind.
Just LOL!
I know you think this is some kind of an "in your face" post, but really, ArenaNet has already stated that the buff showing up in WvW is a bug. So unless you can present any evidence that goes against this, you should probably chill with all of the LOLOLOLOLing and whatnot.
Bully, food gives better buffs and does not require any cash shop purchase.Mystic chest stuff is also randomized, so there is really no way to predict which buff you're going to get. It's hot or miss. You can open 3 chests and get 1 str buff and 2 speed buffs or you can get 3 speed buffs. Food gives you the best bang for your buck. The only place these buffs would matter is in sPvP, where one player can change the outcome of the battle. In WvW, with hundreds of players running around, 1 person with 10% str or damage reduction is meaningless.
There will be entire guildS with these buffs.
Not only can I see entire guilds with these buffs, I can see the hardest of hardcore guilds providing the buffs for everyone during WvW, and in order to be a member you will be expected to contribute a quota amount of Chests and Keys between zergs to "stock up" for the next fight. In other words, entire guilds of CS users totally dominating WvW.
Yes, I can see a lot of guilds collectively spending thousands of dollars per week on random buffs.Second most ridiculous comment I read today. This board is turning into a real comedy goldmine.
Oh, does that comment make you a bit upset? Because There will be Hardcore CS using guilds, and they will "buy" WvWvW, Regardless if keys are tradeable or not, or whatever. Member will be "expected" to have buffs. And They will win and you (the non CS user) are there to be their "content". They will farm you.Nothing you say changes the fact that this game is becoming less and less what was originally promised and more and more like everything else out there with a cash shop.Arguments like, I got 3-4 keys in BWE...yeah, and just like every other cash shop driven game, you always get a few CS items early on as so you can have a little taste of what you are missing.I laugh at the fans who for months and months threw arguments out there like "GW2 has no gear grind!" LOL, no, instead you will be grinding for chests, keys and gold for gems to get your temporary buffs. Whats the difference if the stats are in the gear or the buffs? Yeah, temporary! So now when you lose in PVP instead of arguing that you lost because of the stupid gear grind, you can complain that you lost because of the stupid buff grind. Just LOL!
I know you think this is some kind of an "in your face" post, but really, ArenaNet has already stated that the buff showing up in WvW is a bug. So unless you can present any evidence that goes against this, you should probably chill with all of the LOLOLOLOLing and whatnot.
It's not In your face....Well, ok, yeah, I'm sorry for that...But I'm PIST over this. I don't know why many more aren't.
wow i give you guys a facebook post from the LEAD designer of WVW and you guys STILL are continuing to spread false information and arguing. Yet if I called anyone trolls i would get banned for it , and thats the problem with this site. Its not even about conversation anymore its all about arguing over false information. BCBully all you care about is the seecret world seriously go back there and stop bothering everyone else here stiring up trouble. To everyone else that obviously skips most of the posts and spouts nonsense in this argument. ALL mystic chest items will and have dropped in game and are NOT rare. You can get any and all of those items for boosts without ever opening a chest or paying for any gold transfer for gems to get them. That is from the Senior world vs world designer right next to Mike Ferguson. Please for the love of god enough nonsense trying to scare everyone off on fictious garbage here.
It's not In your face....Well, ok, yeah, I'm sorry for that...But I'm PIST over this. I don't know why many more aren't.
I hate it too. If you read the thread, you would have seen that ArenaNet said it was a bug. Just before that a lot of people like me were bitching. Here is the link to the post about it:
Originally posted by GeezerGamer It's not In your face....Well, ok, yeah, I'm sorry for that...But I'm PIST over this. I don't know why many more aren't.
I hate it too. If you read the thread, you would have seen that they ArenaNet said it was a bug. Just before that a lot of people like me were bitching. Here is the link to the post about it:
I'm going to read that now. But in all honesty, I believe we will have to see how long that "bug" takes to get fixed when it looks more like a "Cash Cow" and not a "bug"
How dare you say anything against GW2. Prepare to get bullied by a massive myriad of zealots.
Oh wait, too late.
In any case, OP's point is as fair as it gets. If the game was F2P, I'd see those boosts as valid. But you'll pay 55-80€ for a game that drops chests with a droprate 10 times higher than the keys to open the chests. Conveniently, those keys can be bought in the cash shop. Really cheap, and is what every crappy F2P mmo does to get cash from the cash shop. Very badly played, ArenaNet.
Originally posted by GeezerGamer It's not In your face....Well, ok, yeah, I'm sorry for that...But I'm PIST over this. I don't know why many more aren't.
I hate it too. If you read the thread, you would have seen that they ArenaNet said it was a bug. Just before that a lot of people like me were bitching. Here is the link to the post about it:
I'm going to read that now. But in all honesty, I believe we will have to see how long that "bug" takes to get fixed when it looks more like a "cash Cow" and not a "bug"
Well, I suppose there is always the chance they are lying.
Bully, food gives better buffs and does not require any cash shop purchase.Mystic chest stuff is also randomized, so there is really no way to predict which buff you're going to get. It's hot or miss. You can open 3 chests and get 1 str buff and 2 speed buffs or you can get 3 speed buffs. Food gives you the best bang for your buck. The only place these buffs would matter is in sPvP, where one player can change the outcome of the battle. In WvW, with hundreds of players running around, 1 person with 10% str or damage reduction is meaningless.
There will be entire guildS with these buffs.
Not only can I see entire guilds with these buffs, I can see the hardest of hardcore guilds providing the buffs for everyone during WvW, and in order to be a member you will be expected to contribute a quota amount of Chests and Keys between zergs to "stock up" for the next fight. In other words, entire guilds of CS users totally dominating WvW.
Yes, I can see a lot of guilds collectively spending thousands of dollars per week on random buffs.
Second most ridiculous comment I read today. This board is turning into a real comedy goldmine.
There will be Hardcore CS using guilds, and they will "buy" WvWvW, Regardless if keys are tradeable or not, or whatever. Member will be "expected" to have buffs. And They will win and you (the non CS user) are there to be their "content". They will farm you.
Nothing you say changes the fact that this game is becoming less and less what was originally promised and more and more like everything else out there with a cash shop.
Arguments like, I got 3-4 keys in BWE...yeah, and just like every other cash shop driven game, you always get a few CS items early on as so you can have a little taste of what you are missing.
I laugh at the fans who for months and months threw arguments out there like "GW2 has no gear grind!" LOL, no, instead you will be grinding for chests, keys and gold for gems to get your temporary buffs. Whats the difference if the stats are in the gear or the buffs? Yeah, temporary! So now when you lose in PVP instead of arguing that you lost because of the stupid gear grind, you can complain that you lost because of the stupid buff grind.
Just LOL!
Like I said, comedy gold. You know what? The game launches in less than 2 weeks and I'm a bit bored until then. Come back later so I can laugh some more.
Bully, food gives better buffs and does not require any cash shop purchase.Mystic chest stuff is also randomized, so there is really no way to predict which buff you're going to get. It's hot or miss. You can open 3 chests and get 1 str buff and 2 speed buffs or you can get 3 speed buffs. Food gives you the best bang for your buck. The only place these buffs would matter is in sPvP, where one player can change the outcome of the battle. In WvW, with hundreds of players running around, 1 person with 10% str or damage reduction is meaningless.
There will be entire guildS with these buffs.
Not only can I see entire guilds with these buffs, I can see the hardest of hardcore guilds providing the buffs for everyone during WvW, and in order to be a member you will be expected to contribute a quota amount of Chests and Keys between zergs to "stock up" for the next fight. In other words, entire guilds of CS users totally dominating WvW.
Yes, I can see a lot of guilds collectively spending thousands of dollars per week on random buffs.Second most ridiculous comment I read today. This board is turning into a real comedy goldmine.
Oh, does that comment make you a bit upset? Because There will be Hardcore CS using guilds, and they will "buy" WvWvW, Regardless if keys are tradeable or not, or whatever. Member will be "expected" to have buffs. And They will win and you (the non CS user) are there to be their "content". They will farm you.Nothing you say changes the fact that this game is becoming less and less what was originally promised and more and more like everything else out there with a cash shop.Arguments like, I got 3-4 keys in BWE...yeah, and just like every other cash shop driven game, you always get a few CS items early on as so you can have a little taste of what you are missing.I laugh at the fans who for months and months threw arguments out there like "GW2 has no gear grind!" LOL, no, instead you will be grinding for chests, keys and gold for gems to get your temporary buffs. Whats the difference if the stats are in the gear or the buffs? Yeah, temporary! So now when you lose in PVP instead of arguing that you lost because of the stupid gear grind, you can complain that you lost because of the stupid buff grind. Just LOL!
I know you think this is some kind of an "in your face" post, but really, ArenaNet has already stated that the buff showing up in WvW is a bug. So unless you can present any evidence that goes against this, you should probably chill with all of the LOLOLOLOLing and whatnot.
It's not In your face....Well, ok, yeah, I'm sorry for that...But I'm PIST over this. I don't know why many more aren't.
Because I cant use these buffs in sPvP which actually matters for my ranking on how well I do and how well my players do.
Thats like saying that its a scam because people will jump their char to whatever server is doing the best in WvWvW for the buff, sure you can spend all your money doing that constantly, but is that buff really worth the money?
To some sure, to others, meh. Besides, I highly doubt anyone would pay that much money into something that really doesnt benefit them that much in the long run. Not worth investors money IMO.
Will that guy with a few potion really make me quit the game if he is doing so much better than me in a PvP world where you gain nothing of huge sentimental value from winning. No. Will I ever be able to tell truthfully, probly not, I'll probly think he's better skilled than me.
If they sold buffs that gave bonuses to sPvP, the point is valid, but I don't get y a few 10% buffs really will turn the tides of an entire WvWvW match, guild wide or not.
Bully, food gives better buffs and does not require any cash shop purchase.Mystic chest stuff is also randomized, so there is really no way to predict which buff you're going to get. It's hot or miss. You can open 3 chests and get 1 str buff and 2 speed buffs or you can get 3 speed buffs. Food gives you the best bang for your buck. The only place these buffs would matter is in sPvP, where one player can change the outcome of the battle. In WvW, with hundreds of players running around, 1 person with 10% str or damage reduction is meaningless.
There will be entire guildS with these buffs.
Not only can I see entire guilds with these buffs, I can see the hardest of hardcore guilds providing the buffs for everyone during WvW, and in order to be a member you will be expected to contribute a quota amount of Chests and Keys between zergs to "stock up" for the next fight. In other words, entire guilds of CS users totally dominating WvW.
Yes, I can see a lot of guilds collectively spending thousands of dollars per week on random buffs.Second most ridiculous comment I read today. This board is turning into a real comedy goldmine.
Oh, does that comment make you a bit upset? Because There will be Hardcore CS using guilds, and they will "buy" WvWvW, Regardless if keys are tradeable or not, or whatever. Member will be "expected" to have buffs. And They will win and you (the non CS user) are there to be their "content". They will farm you.Nothing you say changes the fact that this game is becoming less and less what was originally promised and more and more like everything else out there with a cash shop.Arguments like, I got 3-4 keys in BWE...yeah, and just like every other cash shop driven game, you always get a few CS items early on as so you can have a little taste of what you are missing.I laugh at the fans who for months and months threw arguments out there like "GW2 has no gear grind!" LOL, no, instead you will be grinding for chests, keys and gold for gems to get your temporary buffs. Whats the difference if the stats are in the gear or the buffs? Yeah, temporary! So now when you lose in PVP instead of arguing that you lost because of the stupid gear grind, you can complain that you lost because of the stupid buff grind. Just LOL!
I know you think this is some kind of an "in your face" post, but really, ArenaNet has already stated that the buff showing up in WvW is a bug. So unless you can present any evidence that goes against this, you should probably chill with all of the LOLOLOLOLing and whatnot.
It's not In your face....Well, ok, yeah, I'm sorry for that...But I'm PIST over this. I don't know why many more aren't.
A) Because it simply isn't happening in WvW the way you say.
Because even if an entire guild of 100 players collectively spent the THOUSANDS (this is not an exaggeration) of dollars it would take to permanently maintain those buffs through even ONE WvW match, those buffs are so insignificant compared to every other stat modifier the game offers through a plethora of in game mechanics, and those 100 players remain one small part of a much much larger battle.
Even IF I were facing such an absurd hypothesized bunch of people in WvW, I could only thank them for foolishly donating thousands of dollars to help fund the game I'm enjoying.
Bully, food gives better buffs and does not require any cash shop purchase.Mystic chest stuff is also randomized, so there is really no way to predict which buff you're going to get. It's hot or miss. You can open 3 chests and get 1 str buff and 2 speed buffs or you can get 3 speed buffs. Food gives you the best bang for your buck. The only place these buffs would matter is in sPvP, where one player can change the outcome of the battle. In WvW, with hundreds of players running around, 1 person with 10% str or damage reduction is meaningless.
There will be entire guildS with these buffs.
Not only can I see entire guilds with these buffs, I can see the hardest of hardcore guilds providing the buffs for everyone during WvW, and in order to be a member you will be expected to contribute a quota amount of Chests and Keys between zergs to "stock up" for the next fight. In other words, entire guilds of CS users totally dominating WvW.
Yes, I can see a lot of guilds collectively spending thousands of dollars per week on random buffs.Second most ridiculous comment I read today. This board is turning into a real comedy goldmine.
Oh, does that comment make you a bit upset? Because There will be Hardcore CS using guilds, and they will "buy" WvWvW, Regardless if keys are tradeable or not, or whatever. Member will be "expected" to have buffs. And They will win and you (the non CS user) are there to be their "content". They will farm you.Nothing you say changes the fact that this game is becoming less and less what was originally promised and more and more like everything else out there with a cash shop.Arguments like, I got 3-4 keys in BWE...yeah, and just like every other cash shop driven game, you always get a few CS items early on as so you can have a little taste of what you are missing.I laugh at the fans who for months and months threw arguments out there like "GW2 has no gear grind!" LOL, no, instead you will be grinding for chests, keys and gold for gems to get your temporary buffs. Whats the difference if the stats are in the gear or the buffs? Yeah, temporary! So now when you lose in PVP instead of arguing that you lost because of the stupid gear grind, you can complain that you lost because of the stupid buff grind. Just LOL!
I know you think this is some kind of an "in your face" post, but really, ArenaNet has already stated that the buff showing up in WvW is a bug. So unless you can present any evidence that goes against this, you should probably chill with all of the LOLOLOLOLing and whatnot.
It's not In your face....Well, ok, yeah, I'm sorry for that...But I'm PIST over this. I don't know why many more aren't.
A) Because it simply isn't happening in WvW the way you say.
Because even if an entire guild of 100 players collectively spent the THOUSANDS (this is not an exaggeration) of dollars it would take to permanently maintain those buffs through even ONE WvW match, those buffs are so insignificant compared to every other stat modifier the game offers through a plethora of in game mechanics, and those 100 players remain one small part of a much much larger battle.
Even IF I were facing such an absurd hypothesized bunch of people in WvW, I could only thank them for foolishly donating thousands of dollars to help fund the game I'm enjoying.
Thank u, back to hypothetical zerg A vs zerg B explanation, hmmmm...
Even IF I were facing such an absurd hypothesized bunch of people in WvW, I could only thank them for foolishly donating thousands of dollars to help fund the game I'm enjoying.
Not foolishly, but rather generously giving ANet more money to bring better content/dynamic events/faster bug fixes/specially designed events for future patches. In the end, works out for me.
Originally posted by laokoko
Is this item even useful? The only thing bothers me is if those gathering tools from the mythic chest actually give an advantage.
Even IF I were facing such an absurd hypothesized bunch of people in WvW, I could only thank them for foolishly donating thousands of dollars to help fund the game I'm enjoying.
Not foolishly, but rather generously giving ANet more money to bring better content/dynamic events/faster bug fixes/specially designed events for future patches. In the end, works out for me.
But think of the children! All those kids who go hungry because our server didnt have those buffs to hold that supply camp and get those supplys back to our server. And you couldnt spend a mealy 1000$ like them to help them out. You heartless bastard.
I wonder if some of these people realize that not only are those items limited to PvE, but you can also craft items that give the same items via cooking. Not to mention the fact that you actually get these items as rewards for doing various quests / map completion / jumping puzzle completions.
I know I've seen food from karma vendors that offer bonuses on par with what you can get from the mystic chests. once again, something twisted out of proportion. I'm not familiar with the exact bonuses from cooked foods, but I wouldn't be surprised if those aren't on par, or even better.
I also get some of these boosts from the personal story, zone completion, acievments, etc...
Originally posted by aesperus I wonder if some of these people realize that not only are those items limited to PvE, but you can also craft items that give the same items via cooking. Not to mention the fact that you actually get these items as rewards for doing various quests / map completion / jumping puzzle completions.
Originally posted by aesperus I wonder if some of these people realize that not only are those items limited to PvE, but you can also craft items that give the same items via cooking. Not to mention the fact that you actually get these items as rewards for doing various quests / map completion / jumping puzzle completions.
Some people say those things work in WvW, but not other form of PvP.
And just because you can get it, don't mean it's ok. The question is how easy to get it. If it takes me 5 minutes to gather material and craft it, I wouldn't mind. If it takes me 40 hours to find a damn mythic key I probably care. Maybe you can tell me how easy it is to acquire it.
I'm really not sure how it works because I'm not in Beta. So I have to rely on what people told me.
Originally posted by aesperus I wonder if some of these people realize that not only are those items limited to PvE, but you can also craft items that give the same items via cooking. Not to mention the fact that you actually get these items as rewards for doing various quests / map completion / jumping puzzle completions.
Some people say those things work in WvW, but not other form of PvP.
And just because you can get it, don't mean it's ok. The question is how easy to get it. If it takes me 5 minutes to gather material and craft it, I wouldn't mind. If it takes me 40 hours to find a damn mythic key I probably care. Maybe you can tell me how easy it is to acquire it.
I'm really not sure how it works because I'm not in Beta. So I have to rely on what people told me.
I got something like 20 keys in all the time I played. I'd say 1 every 3-4 hours? maybe.Keep in mind however that whatever booster is in the chest is completely random. No promises you'll get the one you want, and it onlylasts an hour.
Look, if someone wants to spend hundreds of dollars, they can keep all the boosts on permanently. Whether this will affect WvW signifigantly is yet to be seen. Yes it will affect 1v1 play. Bout we've already seen 20v5 fights where the 5 won because they were smarter. So how much of a difference stats make might be negligible.
IF it becomes clear in playing that certain guilds push perma boosters on their players, and IF those guilds appear to clearly dominate WvW, then we have a problem. And best believe I'll be raising my concerns to Anet, as will most people. I honestly think those boosts working in PvP content is a bad idea. But I won't gripe if it doesn't change gameplay. And no, it's not 100% gauranteed to do so. We'll have to see it in process first.
The onyl way I see it making a real diff in WvW is if an entire large guild ALL use the boosts, all the time. And no one on the opposing sides does. And if the opposing sides choose not to/cannot find a tactical advantage.
Even IF I were facing such an absurd hypothesized bunch of people in WvW, I could only thank them for foolishly donating thousands of dollars to help fund the game I'm enjoying.
Not foolishly, but rather generously giving ANet more money to bring better content/dynamic events/faster bug fixes/specially designed events for future patches. In the end, works out for me.
If their intent is to attempt to pay to win as the other poster supposes this hypothesized group would, it would indeed be foolish. 5 months later, with over a hundred thousand dollars spent and probably multiple WvW defeats suffered, I'm sure they would agree and reconsider their generosity
Even IF I were facing such an absurd hypothesized bunch of people in WvW, I could only thank them for foolishly donating thousands of dollars to help fund the game I'm enjoying.
Not foolishly, but rather generously giving ANet more money to bring better content/dynamic events/faster bug fixes/specially designed events for future patches. In the end, works out for me.
If their intent is to attempt to pay to win as the other poster supposes this hypothesized group would, it would indeed be foolish. 5 months later, with over a hundred thousand dollars spent and probably multiple WvW defeats suffered, I'm sure they would agree and reconsider their generosity
See, this is the type of logic that doesn't work for them because it makes sense instead of creating panic.
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Lets say.. hypothetically that we got Zerg A charging a castle with "said" cash shop buffs against Zerg B who is protecting the castle. Now lets say that Zerg A and Zerg B are both exactly the same in skill spot on, sorry hypothetically of course, Who is going to win?
My money is on the team that puts their time into making the catapults and seige weapons to break down the doors or the team who builds cannons and arrow turrets to stop them.
Wait thats not an option and not part of my hypothetical question? moving on...
ya i mean disadvantage.
There will be Hardcore CS using guilds, and they will "buy" WvWvW, Regardless if keys are tradeable or not, or whatever. Member will be "expected" to have buffs. And They will win and you (the non CS user) are there to be their "content". They will farm you.
Nothing you say changes the fact that this game is becoming less and less what was originally promised and more and more like everything else out there with a cash shop.
Arguments like, I got 3-4 keys in BWE...yeah, and just like every other cash shop driven game, you always get a few CS items early on as so you can have a little taste of what you are missing.
I laugh at the fans who for months and months threw arguments out there like "GW2 has no gear grind!" LOL, no, instead you will be grinding for chests, keys and gold for gems to get your temporary buffs. Whats the difference if the stats are in the gear or the buffs? Yeah, temporary! So now when you lose in PVP instead of arguing that you lost because of the stupid gear grind, you can complain that you lost because of the stupid buff grind.
Just LOL!
I know you think this is some kind of an "in your face" post, but really, ArenaNet has already stated that the buff showing up in WvW is a bug. So unless you can present any evidence that goes against this, you should probably chill with all of the LOLOLOLOLing and whatnot.
It's not In your face....Well, ok, yeah, I'm sorry for that...But I'm PIST over this.
I don't know why many more aren't.
wow i give you guys a facebook post from the LEAD designer of WVW and you guys STILL are continuing to spread false information and arguing. Yet if I called anyone trolls i would get banned for it , and thats the problem with this site. Its not even about conversation anymore its all about arguing over false information. BCBully all you care about is the seecret world seriously go back there and stop bothering everyone else here stiring up trouble. To everyone else that obviously skips most of the posts and spouts nonsense in this argument. ALL mystic chest items will and have dropped in game and are NOT rare. You can get any and all of those items for boosts without ever opening a chest or paying for any gold transfer for gems to get them. That is from the Senior world vs world designer right next to Mike Ferguson. Please for the love of god enough nonsense trying to scare everyone off on fictious garbage here.
I hate it too. If you read the thread, you would have seen that ArenaNet said it was a bug. Just before that a lot of people like me were bitching. Here is the link to the post about it:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/uys45/cash_shop_items_that_improve_speed_armor_and/
I'm going to read that now. But in all honesty, I believe we will have to see how long that "bug" takes to get fixed when it looks more like a "Cash Cow" and not a "bug"
How dare you say anything against GW2. Prepare to get bullied by a massive myriad of zealots.
Oh wait, too late.
In any case, OP's point is as fair as it gets. If the game was F2P, I'd see those boosts as valid. But you'll pay 55-80€ for a game that drops chests with a droprate 10 times higher than the keys to open the chests. Conveniently, those keys can be bought in the cash shop. Really cheap, and is what every crappy F2P mmo does to get cash from the cash shop. Very badly played, ArenaNet.
Well, I suppose there is always the chance they are lying.
Like I said, comedy gold. You know what? The game launches in less than 2 weeks and I'm a bit bored until then. Come back later so I can laugh some more.
Because I cant use these buffs in sPvP which actually matters for my ranking on how well I do and how well my players do.
Thats like saying that its a scam because people will jump their char to whatever server is doing the best in WvWvW for the buff, sure you can spend all your money doing that constantly, but is that buff really worth the money?
To some sure, to others, meh. Besides, I highly doubt anyone would pay that much money into something that really doesnt benefit them that much in the long run. Not worth investors money IMO.
Will that guy with a few potion really make me quit the game if he is doing so much better than me in a PvP world where you gain nothing of huge sentimental value from winning. No. Will I ever be able to tell truthfully, probly not, I'll probly think he's better skilled than me.
If they sold buffs that gave bonuses to sPvP, the point is valid, but I don't get y a few 10% buffs really will turn the tides of an entire WvWvW match, guild wide or not.
A) Because it simply isn't happening in WvW the way you say.
Even IF I were facing such an absurd hypothesized bunch of people in WvW, I could only thank them for foolishly donating thousands of dollars to help fund the game I'm enjoying.
Thank u, back to hypothetical zerg A vs zerg B explanation, hmmmm...
Is this item even useful? The only thing bothers me is if those gathering tools from the mythic chest actually give an advantage.
Not foolishly, but rather generously giving ANet more money to bring better content/dynamic events/faster bug fixes/specially designed events for future patches. In the end, works out for me.
Depends what area you are harvesting in, you can expect some of the higher level ingredients to be located in some lower levelled areas.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/359874/Aerowyns-Video-Compilation-of-ALL-things-Guild-Wars-2.html
But think of the children! All those kids who go hungry because our server didnt have those buffs to hold that supply camp and get those supplys back to our server. And you couldnt spend a mealy 1000$ like them to help them out. You heartless bastard.
If anyone want to fund their server for permanently giving them buff in WvW all I can say is good for them...
I'm not sure if anyone have that much server pride.
I know I've seen food from karma vendors that offer bonuses on par with what you can get from the mystic chests. once again, something twisted out of proportion. I'm not familiar with the exact bonuses from cooked foods, but I wouldn't be surprised if those aren't on par, or even better.
I also get some of these boosts from the personal story, zone completion, acievments, etc...
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27 pages, covered, they stack, moving on
Some people say those things work in WvW, but not other form of PvP.
And just because you can get it, don't mean it's ok. The question is how easy to get it. If it takes me 5 minutes to gather material and craft it, I wouldn't mind. If it takes me 40 hours to find a damn mythic key I probably care. Maybe you can tell me how easy it is to acquire it.
I'm really not sure how it works because I'm not in Beta. So I have to rely on what people told me.
I got something like 20 keys in all the time I played. I'd say 1 every 3-4 hours? maybe.Keep in mind however that whatever booster is in the chest is completely random. No promises you'll get the one you want, and it onlylasts an hour.
Look, if someone wants to spend hundreds of dollars, they can keep all the boosts on permanently. Whether this will affect WvW signifigantly is yet to be seen. Yes it will affect 1v1 play. Bout we've already seen 20v5 fights where the 5 won because they were smarter. So how much of a difference stats make might be negligible.
IF it becomes clear in playing that certain guilds push perma boosters on their players, and IF those guilds appear to clearly dominate WvW, then we have a problem. And best believe I'll be raising my concerns to Anet, as will most people. I honestly think those boosts working in PvP content is a bad idea. But I won't gripe if it doesn't change gameplay. And no, it's not 100% gauranteed to do so. We'll have to see it in process first.
The onyl way I see it making a real diff in WvW is if an entire large guild ALL use the boosts, all the time. And no one on the opposing sides does. And if the opposing sides choose not to/cannot find a tactical advantage.
If their intent is to attempt to pay to win as the other poster supposes this hypothesized group would, it would indeed be foolish. 5 months later, with over a hundred thousand dollars spent and probably multiple WvW defeats suffered, I'm sure they would agree and reconsider their generosity
See, this is the type of logic that doesn't work for them because it makes sense instead of creating panic.