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Cancelled my pre-order today. Heres why

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  • plescureplescure Member UncommonPosts: 397

    I guess were just gonna have to try and get along without you OP. it'll be hard but we'll try :)

     

    PS: your post kinda has a lot of innaccuracies. im doubting your claim that youve played lots of this game

    If someone is talking in general chat in a language you dont understand, chances are they're not talking to you. So chill out and stop bitching about it!

  • PsychowPsychow Member Posts: 1,784
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Psychow
     

     

    what was the misinformation part? Just wondering...

    I'm guessing the 4th point at the very minimum.

    I'm happy to elaborate if you are truely are curious although all the information has been talked about a ton of times already.. but if you really are curious ill be happy to write it out although all the info is in the videos in my sig although I seem to be offending some people when I refer them to my sig

     

    Don't get me wrong, I have pre-purchased andam looking forward to the game. I was just wondering if his "opinion" was being confused as "minsinformation". If that makes sense. So that is what I was REALLY asking.

     

    I saw your post with all the video links. Great work btw. But I have chosen to try to do the minimum of pre-release game investigating so that I can begin playing fresh. I'm sure I'll "crack" and start researching when the 25th approaches...heh. 

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  • DeldorDeldor Member UncommonPosts: 51
    Originally posted by BilboDoggins

    3. Pointless zerg pvp- PvP is supposed to be the strength of GW2 but in reality it is extremely shallow. PvP basically consists of running around in zergs and punching gates for hours on end for no reason.

    Thank you for not playing WvW. Really, thank you, from the deepest of my heart.

  • AAnarkiAAnarki Member Posts: 16
    Originally posted by BilboDoggins
    Originally posted by Pantera_rosa
    Originally posted by BilboDoggins
    Originally posted by Creslin321
    Originally posted by Istavaan
    Guild wars 2 has to be the most trolled mmo to date, i don't understand it because it's a solid game.

    Yep, I agree.

    There was a lot of hate thrown at SWTOR before release as well, but I felt like much of it was actually warranted.  GW2 hate posts though, they are always like one or two legitimate reasons of why someone may not like the game, and then a bunch of stuff that is basically made up.

    I mean...if you don't like the game because it has no raiding, no mounts, or no trinity...then just say that, you don't need to say any more.  But just about everyone HAS to say more it seems...and that's when we get the absolute BS complaints like 

    1.  No endgame.

    2.  PvP is a zergfest.

    3.  Combat is just a spamfest and requires no skill.

    4.  Cash shop is pure P2W.

    You want to talk about misinformation? Just look at the way you tried to spin the points I made.

     

    1. I never stated that GW2 had no endgame. I said it has an endgame that isnt very good and is the same stuff you had already been doing.

    2. PvP IS a zergfest. Its dozens of players roving around from keep to keep punching gates. That is GW2 pvp in a nutshell.

    3. Combat is incredibly simple and easy. You only have like 7 skills and mashing them works fine  in pvp and pve since the game is so easy (ie. requires no skill)

    4. I said it is near Pay 2 win. It isnt quite full-on p2w. Yet...(it will be though yo u can count on it).

    Dang bro.. you just really hate this game

    I wouldnt say that I hate the game. Hate is a strong word. Not a fan is a better way to descrbibe it.

     

    I just wanted to share my thoughts on the game and give a different perspective besides all the rah-rah stuff which only gets heard. People have a right to know the truth about the game.

    The truth is what they find out for themselves, were all adults here (maybe not some). It is not for someone to give us the truth when the truth is already available in bucketloads and we're entirely capable of finding it for ourselves without someone deciding what 'truth' we'll be told. Lets just let the game speak for itself in a fortnight, there will be no better 'truth' than that.

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254
    Originally posted by Psychow
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by BilboDoggins
     

    You want to talk about misinformation? Just look at the way you tried to spin the points I made.

     

    1. I never stated that GW2 had no endgame. I said it has an endgame that isnt very good and is the same stuff you had already been doing.

    2. PvP IS a zergfest. Its dozens of players roving around from keep to keep punching gates. That is GW2 pvp in a nutshell.

    3. Combat is incredibly simple and easy. You only have like 7 skills and mashing them works fine  in pvp and pve since the game is so easy (ie. requires no skill)

    4. I said it is near Pay 2 win. It isnt quite full-on p2w. Yet...(it will be though yo u can count on it).

    there you going again spreading misinformation about the game again.. not sure if you are doing it purposly or really don't realise it.

    what was the misinformation part? Just wondering...

    I'm guessing the 4th point at the very minimum.

    2 is mininformation because WvW isn't the only type of PvP. sPvP exists and is not a zergfest (unless you consider a zergfest 5v5 with 3 capture points).

     

    On top of that, there are various ways to play in WvW. If you choose to join the zerg, it will be a zergfest. But they have Sentinels that can be soloed, supply camps that can be taken by 2+ people and you can actually roam around with a small group and get a lot accomplished for your side.

     

    3 is misinformation because even the class with the least amount of skills available to it in combat has 16 unique skills. Some of the classes have a lot more ranging from 16 to about 45 in combat skills.

     

    4 is fine because, like he says, it's not pay to win. Of course he is unable to tell the future, so that last part of number 4 is just bullshit.

     

  • DeaconXDeaconX Member UncommonPosts: 3,062
    Originally posted by Wolfynsong

    Are you willfully misinformed, or just trolling?

    My first thoughts as well.

    Full of fail.

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    Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one.

    BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.

  • evilastroevilastro Member Posts: 4,270
    Originally posted by Psychow
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Psychow
     

     

    what was the misinformation part? Just wondering...

    I'm guessing the 4th point at the very minimum.

    I'm happy to elaborate if you are truely are curious although all the information has been talked about a ton of times already.. but if you really are curious ill be happy to write it out although all the info is in the videos in my sig although I seem to be offending some people when I refer them to my sig

     

    Don't get me wrong, I have pre-purchased andam looking forward to the game. I was just wondering if his "opinion" was being confused as "minsinformation". If that makes sense. So that is what I was REALLY asking.

     

    I saw your post with all the video links. Great work btw. But I have chosen to try to do the minimum of pre-release game investigating so that I can begin playing fresh. I'm sure I'll "crack" and start researching when the 25th approaches...heh. 

     

    Saying that the cash shop is P2W and that the PvP is just a zerg is complete misinformation. Saying that they 'removed raids' is misinformation since they never intended to have raids at any point. Him thinking that the endgame isnt very good because it doesnt have the raids is an opinion.

    I don't understand people like the OP. ArenaNet have been open and honest about every single component of their game from the start. If he needs to have raids, why even preorder to begin with? Everyone knew they wouldnt have a gear grind in this game, you only have to look at GW1 to know what to expect from endgame.

  • Tonin109Tonin109 Member Posts: 201
    Originally posted by BilboDoggins

    Months ago before I started ebta testing this game I was very excited. I had bought into the hype that GW2 was the future and was gonna do things differently but after all the beta testing I finally had to be honest with myself about the game. The truth is that GW2 is basically more of the same with a few differences.

    1. No raids- ANet removed raids because they know that their PVE system is to simple and casual to support complex and difficult raiding. Raids like everything else in GW2 (like pvp) are nothing but a button mashing zergfest. Having raids would have made this all the more obvious.

    2. No sub fee but cash shop oreiented which borders on P2W- One of GW2 's big selling points is that it has no sub-fee. This is a good thing but in all honesty they HAD to do this since GW2 simply doesnt have the content to justify paying a monthly sub. So instead ANet added a cash shop which gives rewards as good as the best stuff you can find in game and other things which makes it arguably Pay 2 win. And even if its not P2W at launch its obvious to anyone who is familiar with MMO's that it will end up that way.

    3. Pointless zerg pvp- PvP is supposed to be the strength of GW2 but in reality it is extremely shallow. PvP basically consists of running around in zergs and punching gates for hours on end for no reason.  There is no actual purpose to GW2 pvp. No ladders, rankings, and no way to build a rep because you are given a generic name so nobody knows who you are.

    4. No endgame- GW2 endgame= the same stuff you were doing since level one since "everything is endgame". Once you hit 80 there is nothing to do which provides actual character progression anymore.

    I really wanted this game to succeed and be great but I cant lie to myself. The fact is that GW2 is shallow and generic. Its more elves and orcs fantasy that we have seen a million times. GW2 is really just WoW minus raids and sub fees. Luckily TSW's excellent stories and atmosphere which is unique and difficult will be able to tide me over until Planetside 2 launches which will be the next big MMO that revolutionizes the genre.

    have fun with your futur game

    cheers :)

     

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  • GamerUntouchGamerUntouch Member Posts: 488

    You again?

    Didn't you leave ages ago because you hated GW2?

  • IsawaIsawa Member UncommonPosts: 1,051
    Heck, I'll be playing both.
  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254
    Originally posted by Eluldor
    Heck, I'll be playing both.

    It the game the original poster said he was going to play over GW2.

     

    Edit: Ack, you edited!

  • IsawaIsawa Member UncommonPosts: 1,051
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by Eluldor
    Heck, I'll be playing both.

    It the game the original poster said he was going to play over GW2.

     

    Edit: Ack, you edited!

    Haha, ya - missed the last paragraph (didn't care for the rant), then I figured there may be a reason to that comment :)

  • PsychowPsychow Member Posts: 1,784
    Thats for the replies on my "opininion" vs "misinformaion" question. It makes sense now.
  • GamerUntouchGamerUntouch Member Posts: 488
    Anyone find it kind of funny he's complaining about "zerg PvP" yet is praising TSW?
  • SiphaedSiphaed Member RarePosts: 1,114
    Originally posted by Psychow
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Psychow
     

     

    what was the misinformation part? Just wondering...

    I'm guessing the 4th point at the very minimum.

    I'm happy to elaborate if you are truely are curious although all the information has been talked about a ton of times already.. but if you really are curious ill be happy to write it out although all the info is in the videos in my sig although I seem to be offending some people when I refer them to my sig

     

    Don't get me wrong, I have pre-purchased andam looking forward to the game. I was just wondering if his "opinion" was being confused as "minsinformation". If that makes sense. So that is what I was REALLY asking.

     

    I saw your post with all the video links. Great work btw. But I have chosen to try to do the minimum of pre-release game investigating so that I can begin playing fresh. I'm sure I'll "crack" and start researching when the 25th approaches...heh. 

    But it's not his "opinion", it is instead really "misinformation". 

     

    He's saying the game has no raids, which is both misinformation and a straight out lie. The game has raids, just not in the traditional sense and not for it's end-game goal.  

     

    He's saying the game is Pay-2-Win.  Again, a misinformative lie.  The game's cash shop provides XP boosts and cosmetic items.  Even with the Gems to Gold exchange, it's not valuable for good gear at all.  Gear is purchable through KARMA, DUNGEON TOKENS, BADGES OF HONOR, and GLORY.  Because these can only be gained through playing the game, the impact of gold is 0 when it comes to obtaining this gold.  And, a player's level means nothing, so XP boosts are squat.

     

    He's said that the all the PvP is pointless Zergs, another misinformative lie.  sPvP is even on all sides.  WvW has been proven to have small groups own large groups depending on coordination and tactics. There are several dozen Youtube videos showing it.  

     

    And lastly he's said there's no End-game.  That's the only "opinion" piece he has.  The game has no end-game by his gear-grinding, raid repeating definition.  HOWEVER, the game does have post-level cap character progression through Legendary Weapons, Glory/sPvP Ranks, Server Ranks (WvWvW), achievement hunting, and there's Orr for it's Dynamic Events.


  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    Oh look... another low post count/ low activity OP feeling, mysteriously, the need to now engage with the wider community about why they won't be playing this game...

     

    I think there are a lot of parties out there very worried about GW2.

     

     

  • HalandirHalandir Member UncommonPosts: 773
    Originally posted by BilboDoggins
    Originally posted by Pantera_rosa
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    Dang bro.. you just really hate this game

    I wouldnt say that I hate the game. Hate is a strong word. Not a fan is a better way to descrbibe it.

     

    I just wanted to share my thoughts on the game and give a different perspective besides all the rah-rah stuff which only gets heard. People have a right to know the truth about the game.

     

    Sorry but "The truth about the game" translates to: YOUR opinion of the game.

    You wrote this game of and thats perfectly fine. Now... We all wished you good luck with your future game, please show us the same courtesy and just move along. 

     

    We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!!
    (repeat ad infinitum)

  • jondifooljondifool Member UncommonPosts: 1,143
    Originally posted by BilboDoggins

    Months ago before I started ebta testing this game I was very excited. I had bought into the hype that GW2 was the future and was gonna do things differently but after all the beta testing I finally had to be honest with myself about the game. The truth is that GW2 is basically more of the same with a few differences.(oppinion not thruth)

    1. No raids- ANet removed raids because they know (speculating) that their PVE system is to simple and casual to support complex and difficult raiding.( twisting things) Raids like everything else in GW2 (like pvp) (generalising) are nothing but a button mashing zergfest.(outright wrong!) Having raids would have made this all the more obvious. wrong conclussion

    2. No sub fee but cash shop oreiented which borders on P2W- (oppinion that is at best debatable, if not wrong ) One of GW2 's big selling points is that it has no sub-fee. This is a good thing but in all honesty they HAD to do this since GW2 simply doesnt have the content to justify paying a monthly sub.(oppinion that is in opposition to nearly everyone trying beta) So instead ANet added a cash shop which gives rewards as good as the best stuff you can find in game (pointless- as best stuff is supposed to be easy to get) and other things which makes it arguably Pay 2 win. (only arguable p2w if you don't know about what p2w is) And even if its not P2W at launch its obvious to anyone who is familiar with MMO's that it will end up that way. (wrong conclussion as GW1 shows)

    3. Pointless zerg pvp- PvP is supposed to be the strength (and it is the strength) of GW2 but in reality it is extremely shallow.(oppinion)  PvP basically consists of running around in zergs (if you do it wrong) and punching gates for hours on end for no reason.(besides fun!)  There is no actual purpose to GW2 pvp. ( besides fun)  No ladders, rankings, and no way to build a rep because you are given a generic name so nobody knows who you are. (PvP is as advertised, can it surprise you thats how it is ? but if this is what you want- what do you do in GW2 beta anyway?)

    4. No endgame- GW2 endgame= the same stuff you were doing since level one since "everything is endgame". (a good thing right ! ;) ) Once you hit 80 there is nothing to do which provides actual character progression anymore. (wrong as there is lots of horisontal progression)

    I really wanted this game to succeed and be great but I cant lie to myself. ( read the stuff in red- it looks like you are indeed telling lies to yourself ) The fact is that GW2 is shallow and generic. (oppinion that has really no facts behind it ) Its more elves and orcs fantasy that we have seen a million times. (twisting words) GW2 is really just WoW minus raids and sub fees. (wrong and ignorant at best) Luckily TSW's excellent stories and atmosphere which is unique and difficult will be able to tide me over until Planetside 2 launches which will be the next big MMO that revolutionizes the genre.

    So why is it that this is not a troll post ? because step for step each line in OP's post  does have statements that is at best ignorant and at worst outright trolling.  It is not that often that i go so straight up against a poster - but i have to ask if this is a camuflaged troll post- because it really looks like alot of things is put the way it is against OP's better knowledge.

    If its not the case- then i do feel sorry for OP - that he had spend so much time fooling himself about what GW2 is and still not getting it sorted out in a peacefull way. But luckely he have found another game he likes.And hopefully after getting his GW2 misunderstandings out of the way, he can get to peace with that GW2 just was something else than what he wanted.

  • EvelknievelEvelknievel Member UncommonPosts: 2,964

    Amazing, the OP hit a nerve, I guess we will all find out in 2 months if GW2 lives up to its hype as well.

    And honestly the poster stated his reasons, many GW2 fanantics are as guilty of posting this same type of thread on the TSW and SWToR  forum. So what we have here is the pot calling the kettle black, we should all be used to this by now.

    I understand people want to fill like they chose the mmo that everyone will flock to and call a success, however we are getting another Themepark MMO. I already accepted this and know that GW2 isn't going to be a long term game for me, however if I get my $59.99 out of this game, I will be happy like I did with SWToR since both games can be played without a sub.

    I just can't wait till we get a mmorpg that can match up to Ultima Online game mechanics as well as a mmorpg that can succeed Dark Age of Camelot Faction RvR system.

     

     

  • EvelknievelEvelknievel Member UncommonPosts: 2,964
    Originally posted by Vesavius

    Oh look... another low post count/ low activity OP feeling, mysteriously, the need to now engage with the wider community about why they won't be playing this game...

     

    I think there are a lot of parties out there very worried about GW2.

     

     

    Why would parties be worried about GW2?

  • GorillaGorilla Member UncommonPosts: 2,235
    Originally posted by GamerUntouch

    You again?

    Didn't you leave ages ago because you hated GW2?

    No he left because he hates GW2 fanboys.  Pretty vocal for someone that has gone. Sad to see someone so consumed by negativity pages and pages of it http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/userPosts/1482421/page/1

     

  • heartlessheartless Member UncommonPosts: 4,993
    Originally posted by P4YB4CK
    Originally posted by Vesavius

    Oh look... another low post count/ low activity OP feeling, mysteriously, the need to now engage with the wider community about why they won't be playing this game...

     

    I think there are a lot of parties out there very worried about GW2.

     

     

    Why would parties be worried about GW2?

    They are worried that people would be playing GW2 instead of partying?

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  • FusionFusion Member UncommonPosts: 1,398
    http://neocron-game.com/ - now totally F2P no cash-shops or micro transactions at all.
  • KuppaKuppa Member UncommonPosts: 3,292
    I saw some post over at TSW calling someone a mole for no good reason. This scenario seems very similar so I wonder why those folks aren't calling the OP a mole.

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