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  • ZoeMcCloskeyZoeMcCloskey Member UncommonPosts: 1,372
    Originally posted by Istavaan
    Originally posted by noncley

    That was either laziness - "It takes too long to make voice-recordings for both female and male characters" - or penny-pinching - ""It costs too much to record two versions" - or pig-headed arrogance - "In hard sci-fi, they call all genders 'Sir'" - and they were compounded because no-one at the top levels of the game, either a developer, a marketer or even Q&A, recognised that this was stupid and put their foot down.

    Laziness, Penny-Pinching, Arrogance, Lack of Leadership.

    These are the qualities that caused the massive flaws of this game that even the most senior bosses of the company that made it now call 'diappointing'.

    Higher ranking females are refered to as sir in the army.

    Yep, glad to see so many correcting this.  They did it right, Sir was the proper term if wanted to state it that way.  You can say Sir or Ma'am as some point out but you aren't like just flat out wrong to say Sir to both.  I was in the Army long ago though, rather not date myself, haha.

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  • WeretigarWeretigar Member UncommonPosts: 600
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by Weretigar
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by Weretigar

    HAHA yes.

    Source 52nd agbn for knox kentucky A company 515. All officers are refered to as sir.

    Seriously? HAHA no -_-.

    Source: 3BCT 101st ABN (AA).

    It's "Rakkasan Ma'am" when I see female officers. 

    Also when I went through OSUT at Knox 515 was a BCT troop. Of course I don't know how the do it up in TRADOC/HRC world...

    Did you even graduate basic man?

    They don't do basic in knox  are you serious?

    Holy hell I suggest you do some google'n

    I'll do you a favor.

    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/army_infantry_100509w/

    "Billions of dollars of new construction projects are underway at Benning as officials at Fort Knox, Ky., are finalizing the massive plan to move the Armor Center and School alongside the home of the infantry."

    Yeah they don't do basic in knox anymore and havent for over 2 years

  • KrissKriss Member Posts: 34
    Originally posted by Weretigar
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by Weretigar
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by Weretigar

    HAHA yes.

    Source 52nd agbn for knox kentucky A company 515. All officers are refered to as sir.

    Seriously? HAHA no -_-.

    Source: 3BCT 101st ABN (AA).

    It's "Rakkasan Ma'am" when I see female officers. 

    Also when I went through OSUT at Knox 515 was a BCT troop. Of course I don't know how the do it up in TRADOC/HRC world...

    Did you even graduate basic man?

    They don't do basic in knox  are you serious?

    Holy hell I suggest you do some google'n

    I'll do you a favor.

    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/army_infantry_100509w/

    "Billions of dollars of new construction projects are underway at Benning as officials at Fort Knox, Ky., are finalizing the massive plan to move the Armor Center and School alongside the home of the infantry."

    Yeah they don't do basic in knox anymore and havent for over 2 years

    That's another fubar man. I've had guys come from Knox that have only been in the Army for about a year and half ;). 

    Das Uber Lurker!

  • azmundaiazmundai Member UncommonPosts: 1,419

    Its funny, I was just a minute ago thinking to myself what was going on the last time a game was about to release (that I was pre-ordered for).

    "Up to 5 Days" Was honestly the beginning of the end in a lot of ways. All marketing, very little product.

    LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
    I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already :)

  • DrWookieDrWookie Member UncommonPosts: 263
    Originally posted by Praetalus
    Originally posted by Weretigar
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
     

    i can't comment for army since never been in army but air force and coast guard we surely use Ma'am

    They all operate differently. That very well could be.

    USAF Jag Corp, 2006 here. Since you don't seem to recall, I'll copied a link to the Army Command Policy, 600-20. Female Offiers are refferred to as Ma'am. Not Sir...ever. 

     

     

    4-18.     A soldier addressing a higher ranking officer uses the word sir or ma'am in the same manner as a polite civilian speaking with a person to whom he wishes to show respect. In the military service, the matter of who says sir or ma'am to whom is clearly defined; in civilian life it is largely a matter of discretion. In the case of NCOs and soldiers, we address them by their rank because they've earned that rank.

     

    http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r600_20.pdf

    Okay so I don't know much about the military but I just have a funny observation...

    "In the case of NCOs and soldiers, we address them by their rank because they've earned that rank."

    Is that trying to imply that commissioned officers didn't "earn" their rank? Is that like a secret hidden jab against commissioned officers? Aren't like Captains/Majors/Colonels/Generals all commissioned officers? So they didnt' "earn" the rank?

     

  • WeretigarWeretigar Member UncommonPosts: 600
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by Weretigar
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by Weretigar
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by Weretigar

    HAHA yes.

    Source 52nd agbn for knox kentucky A company 515. All officers are refered to as sir.

    Seriously? HAHA no -_-.

    Source: 3BCT 101st ABN (AA).

    It's "Rakkasan Ma'am" when I see female officers. 

    Also when I went through OSUT at Knox 515 was a BCT troop. Of course I don't know how the do it up in TRADOC/HRC world...

    Did you even graduate basic man?

    They don't do basic in knox  are you serious?

    Holy hell I suggest you do some google'n

    I'll do you a favor.

    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/army_infantry_100509w/

    "Billions of dollars of new construction projects are underway at Benning as officials at Fort Knox, Ky., are finalizing the massive plan to move the Armor Center and School alongside the home of the infantry."

    Yeah they don't do basic in knox anymore and havent for over 2 years

    That's another fubar man. I've had guys come from Knox that have only been in the Army for about a year ;). 

    Advanced combat training and basic are 2 different things.

  • KarteliKarteli Member CommonPosts: 2,646
    Originally posted by Praetalus
    Originally posted by Weretigar
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
     

    i can't comment for army since never been in army but air force and coast guard we surely use Ma'am

    They all operate differently. That very well could be.

    USAF Jag Corp, 2006 here. Since you don't seem to recall, I'll copied a link to the Army Command Policy, 600-20. Female Offiers are refferred to as Ma'am. Not Sir...ever. 

     

     

    4-18.     A soldier addressing a higher ranking officer uses the word sir or ma'am in the same manner as a polite civilian speaking with a person to whom he wishes to show respect. In the military service, the matter of who says sir or ma'am to whom is clearly defined; in civilian life it is largely a matter of discretion. In the case of NCOs and soldiers, we address them by their rank because they've earned that rank.

     

    http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r600_20.pdf

    Just going by the definition you linked, there is no clear distinction between word usages.  Hence a higher ranking male officer could be referred to as Ma'am, and a female officer as Sir.

     

    It never specifically states a separation between physical gender. .. Although trying this observation might get someone a black eye...

    Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
    Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  • noncleynoncley Member UncommonPosts: 718
    Originally posted by ZoeMcCloskey
    Originally posted by Istavaan
    Originally posted by noncley

    That was either laziness - "It takes too long to make voice-recordings for both female and male characters" - or penny-pinching - ""It costs too much to record two versions" - or pig-headed arrogance - "In hard sci-fi, they call all genders 'Sir'" - and they were compounded because no-one at the top levels of the game, either a developer, a marketer or even Q&A, recognised that this was stupid and put their foot down.

    Laziness, Penny-Pinching, Arrogance, Lack of Leadership.

    These are the qualities that caused the massive flaws of this game that even the most senior bosses of the company that made it now call 'diappointing'.

    Higher ranking females are refered to as sir in the army.

    Yep, glad to see so many correcting this.  They did it right, Sir was the proper term if wanted to state it that way.  You can say Sir or Ma'am as some point out but you aren't like just flat out wrong to say Sir to both.  I was in the Army long ago though, rather not date myself, haha.

    LOL, Are you really trying to tell us you called female officers 'sir'?

  • WeretigarWeretigar Member UncommonPosts: 600
    Originally posted by noncley
    Originally posted by ZoeMcCloskey
    Originally posted by Istavaan
    Originally posted by noncley

    That was either laziness - "It takes too long to make voice-recordings for both female and male characters" - or penny-pinching - ""It costs too much to record two versions" - or pig-headed arrogance - "In hard sci-fi, they call all genders 'Sir'" - and they were compounded because no-one at the top levels of the game, either a developer, a marketer or even Q&A, recognised that this was stupid and put their foot down.

    Laziness, Penny-Pinching, Arrogance, Lack of Leadership.

    These are the qualities that caused the massive flaws of this game that even the most senior bosses of the company that made it now call 'diappointing'.

    Higher ranking females are refered to as sir in the army.

    Yep, glad to see so many correcting this.  They did it right, Sir was the proper term if wanted to state it that way.  You can say Sir or Ma'am as some point out but you aren't like just flat out wrong to say Sir to both.  I was in the Army long ago though, rather not date myself, haha.

    LOL, Are you really trying to tell us you called female officers 'sir'?

    IDK abot him but I did. Never got 1 dirty look for it either.

  • ariboersmaariboersma Member Posts: 1,802
    Originally posted by Istavaan
    Originally posted by noncley

    That was either laziness - "It takes too long to make voice-recordings for both female and male characters" - or penny-pinching - ""It costs too much to record two versions" - or pig-headed arrogance - "In hard sci-fi, they call all genders 'Sir'" - and they were compounded because no-one at the top levels of the game, either a developer, a marketer or even Q&A, recognised that this was stupid and put their foot down.

    Laziness, Penny-Pinching, Arrogance, Lack of Leadership.

    These are the qualities that caused the massive flaws of this game that even the most senior bosses of the company that made it now call 'diappointing'.

    Higher ranking females are refered to as sir in the army.

    this >.<

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  • KrissKriss Member Posts: 34
    Originally posted by Weretigar
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by Weretigar
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by Weretigar
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by Weretigar

    HAHA yes.

    Source 52nd agbn for knox kentucky A company 515. All officers are refered to as sir.

    Seriously? HAHA no -_-.

    Source: 3BCT 101st ABN (AA).

    It's "Rakkasan Ma'am" when I see female officers. 

    Also when I went through OSUT at Knox 515 was a BCT troop. Of course I don't know how the do it up in TRADOC/HRC world...

    Did you even graduate basic man?

    They don't do basic in knox  are you serious?

    Holy hell I suggest you do some google'n

    I'll do you a favor.

    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/army_infantry_100509w/

    "Billions of dollars of new construction projects are underway at Benning as officials at Fort Knox, Ky., are finalizing the massive plan to move the Armor Center and School alongside the home of the infantry."

    Yeah they don't do basic in knox anymore and havent for over 2 years

    That's another fubar man. I've had guys come from Knox that have only been in the Army for about a year ;). 

    Advanced combat training and basic are 2 different things.

    Scouts and Tankers did OSUT at Knox. Which is basicly 16wks of BCT/AIT rolled into one mess.You simply have no clue as to what you're talking about. 

    Das Uber Lurker!

  • itsbigmikeitsbigmike Member Posts: 86
    Originally posted by Weretigar

    What I posted the first time. Stop trying to act like wiki noobs actually went to the army.

    Posting your DD214 doesn't mean you're right in this. Calling a female officer sir will make your day end badly, atleast at Ft Campbell...

    Edit: 3/320 FAR 101st ABN, Red Knight Rakkasan!

    Edit2: took out "not" before "right"

    twitch.tv/boonmackle

  • IstavaanIstavaan Member Posts: 1,350
    Originally posted by noncley
    Originally posted by ZoeMcCloskey
    Originally posted by Istavaan
    Originally posted by noncley

    That was either laziness - "It takes too long to make voice-recordings for both female and male characters" - or penny-pinching - ""It costs too much to record two versions" - or pig-headed arrogance - "In hard sci-fi, they call all genders 'Sir'" - and they were compounded because no-one at the top levels of the game, either a developer, a marketer or even Q&A, recognised that this was stupid and put their foot down.

    Laziness, Penny-Pinching, Arrogance, Lack of Leadership.

    These are the qualities that caused the massive flaws of this game that even the most senior bosses of the company that made it now call 'diappointing'.

    Higher ranking females are refered to as sir in the army.

    Yep, glad to see so many correcting this.  They did it right, Sir was the proper term if wanted to state it that way.  You can say Sir or Ma'am as some point out but you aren't like just flat out wrong to say Sir to both.  I was in the Army long ago though, rather not date myself, haha.

    LOL, Are you really trying to tell us you called female officers 'sir'?

    Yes.

  • reb007reb007 Member UncommonPosts: 613

    I must watch too much sci-fi.  I was under the impression that higher-ranked female officers were refered to as "Sir" in any military.  Of course, I watch a lot of Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica, and I have never served in the military, so don't take my word for it!

    It sounds like it might depend on where you are, and who you serve under.

     

    Anyway, this is the most action SWTOR has gotten since release!  Keep the discussion going!

  • MisthawkMisthawk Member UncommonPosts: 63
    In the countries I know of, gender plays a role in calling an officer sir/ma'am.  In the some fictional worlds, the term "sir" is used as a unisex title.  However, this thread already looks like a baiting/trolling thread, so not sure why others are trying to argue the OP.
  • KrissKriss Member Posts: 34
    Originally posted by itsbigmike
    Originally posted by Weretigar

    What I posted the first time. Stop trying to act like wiki noobs actually went to the army.

    Posting your DD214 doesn't mean you're not right in this. Calling a female officer sir will make your day end badly, atleast at Ft Campbell...

    11. Says nothing follows and 13 says he was only awarded the NDSM. Granted I haven't seen very many DD214 but did he even complete BCT? He also dosen't have any SGLI?

    P.S 

    1-33 War Rakkasans!

    Das Uber Lurker!

  • ZoeMcCloskeyZoeMcCloskey Member UncommonPosts: 1,372
    Originally posted by Weretigar
    Originally posted by noncley
    Originally posted by ZoeMcCloskey
    Originally posted by Istavaan
    Originally posted by noncley

    That was either laziness - "It takes too long to make voice-recordings for both female and male characters" - or penny-pinching - ""It costs too much to record two versions" - or pig-headed arrogance - "In hard sci-fi, they call all genders 'Sir'" - and they were compounded because no-one at the top levels of the game, either a developer, a marketer or even Q&A, recognised that this was stupid and put their foot down.

    Laziness, Penny-Pinching, Arrogance, Lack of Leadership.

    These are the qualities that caused the massive flaws of this game that even the most senior bosses of the company that made it now call 'diappointing'.

    Higher ranking females are refered to as sir in the army.

    Yep, glad to see so many correcting this.  They did it right, Sir was the proper term if wanted to state it that way.  You can say Sir or Ma'am as some point out but you aren't like just flat out wrong to say Sir to both.  I was in the Army long ago though, rather not date myself, haha.

    LOL, Are you really trying to tell us you called female officers 'sir'?

    IDK abot him but I did. Never got 1 dirty look for it either.

    It isn't an insult, no matter how badly you want it to be.  It is a sign of respect, Sir or Ma'am either one go.

    I'm a her not a him :P

    On the stuff to do with NCOs and COs.  Very common joke to say NCOs earned their rank and work for a living and yes that is meant to imply bad things about COs, lol.  I freely admit to having more distrust for butter bars than any other rank, I would expect more competence out of Privates than them :P

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  • WeretigarWeretigar Member UncommonPosts: 600
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by Weretigar
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by Weretigar
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by Weretigar
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by Weretigar

    HAHA yes.

    Source 52nd agbn for knox kentucky A company 515. All officers are refered to as sir.

    Seriously? HAHA no -_-.

    Source: 3BCT 101st ABN (AA).

    It's "Rakkasan Ma'am" when I see female officers. 

    Also when I went through OSUT at Knox 515 was a BCT troop. Of course I don't know how the do it up in TRADOC/HRC world...

    Did you even graduate basic man?

    They don't do basic in knox  are you serious?

    Holy hell I suggest you do some google'n

    I'll do you a favor.

    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/army_infantry_100509w/

    "Billions of dollars of new construction projects are underway at Benning as officials at Fort Knox, Ky., are finalizing the massive plan to move the Armor Center and School alongside the home of the infantry."

    Yeah they don't do basic in knox anymore and havent for over 2 years

    That's another fubar man. I've had guys come from Knox that have only been in the Army for about a year ;). 

    Advanced combat training and basic are 2 different things.

    Scouts and Tankers did OSUT at Knox. Which is basicly 16wks of BCT/AIT rolled into one mess.You simply have no clue as to what you're talking about. 

    I cant find anything on osut after jan of 2011? Source please

  • TalgenTalgen Member UncommonPosts: 400
    Originally posted by DrWookie
    Originally posted by Praetalus
    Originally posted by Weretigar
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
     

    i can't comment for army since never been in army but air force and coast guard we surely use Ma'am

    They all operate differently. That very well could be.

    USAF Jag Corp, 2006 here. Since you don't seem to recall, I'll copied a link to the Army Command Policy, 600-20. Female Offiers are refferred to as Ma'am. Not Sir...ever. 

     

     

    4-18.     A soldier addressing a higher ranking officer uses the word sir or ma'am in the same manner as a polite civilian speaking with a person to whom he wishes to show respect. In the military service, the matter of who says sir or ma'am to whom is clearly defined; in civilian life it is largely a matter of discretion. In the case of NCOs and soldiers, we address them by their rank because they've earned that rank.

     

    http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r600_20.pdf

    Okay so I don't know much about the military but I just have a funny observation...

    "In the case of NCOs and soldiers, we address them by their rank because they've earned that rank."

    Is that trying to imply that commissioned officers didn't "earn" their rank? Is that like a secret hidden jab against commissioned officers? Aren't like Captains/Majors/Colonels/Generals all commissioned officers? So they didnt' "earn" the rank?

     

    Yes, yes it is.. and any enlisted man will smile at that.

  • KrissKriss Member Posts: 34
    Originally posted by Weretigar

    Yeah they don't do basic in knox anymore and havent for over 2 years

     

    I cant find anything on osut after jan of 2011? Source please

    You said over 2 years ago bud 2011 to 2012 is not over 2 years.

    Das Uber Lurker!

  • ZoeMcCloskeyZoeMcCloskey Member UncommonPosts: 1,372

    OSUT = One stop unit training

     

    it was in the past at least Basic + AIT all put together into one, so basically those who has MOS with OSUT had extra long basic since you were treated that way the whole time as opposed to the usual 8 week basic.

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  • WeretigarWeretigar Member UncommonPosts: 600
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by itsbigmike
    Originally posted by Weretigar

    What I posted the first time. Stop trying to act like wiki noobs actually went to the army.

    Posting your DD214 doesn't mean you're not right in this. Calling a female officer sir will make your day end badly, atleast at Ft Campbell...

    11. Says nothing follows and 13 says he was only awarded the NDSM. Granted I haven't seen very many DD214 but did he even complete BCT? He also dosen't have any SGLI?

    P.S 

    1-33 War Rakkasans!

    Medals, and Specializations are not required you can get them, however it's not something that I liked (The army experience) so i just kept my head down tell my term was up.

    Also saying you were in and showing proof are 2 diff things

  • TalgenTalgen Member UncommonPosts: 400
    Originally posted by Weretigar
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by Weretigar
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by Weretigar
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by Weretigar
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by Weretigar

    HAHA yes.

    Source 52nd agbn for knox kentucky A company 515. All officers are refered to as sir.

    Seriously? HAHA no -_-.

    Source: 3BCT 101st ABN (AA).

    It's "Rakkasan Ma'am" when I see female officers. 

    Also when I went through OSUT at Knox 515 was a BCT troop. Of course I don't know how the do it up in TRADOC/HRC world...

    Did you even graduate basic man?

    They don't do basic in knox  are you serious?

    Holy hell I suggest you do some google'n

    I'll do you a favor.

    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/army_infantry_100509w/

    "Billions of dollars of new construction projects are underway at Benning as officials at Fort Knox, Ky., are finalizing the massive plan to move the Armor Center and School alongside the home of the infantry."

    Yeah they don't do basic in knox anymore and havent for over 2 years

    That's another fubar man. I've had guys come from Knox that have only been in the Army for about a year ;). 

    Advanced combat training and basic are 2 different things.

    Scouts and Tankers did OSUT at Knox. Which is basicly 16wks of BCT/AIT rolled into one mess.You simply have no clue as to what you're talking about. 

    I cant find anything on osut after jan of 2011? Source please

    http://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/browse-career-and-job-categories/combat/m1-armor-crewman.html

     

    how's that for source

     

    Was OSUT when I was (and will be for life) 19kilo

  • WeretigarWeretigar Member UncommonPosts: 600
    Originally posted by Kriss
    Originally posted by Weretigar

    Yeah they don't do basic in knox anymore and havent for over 2 years

     

    I cant find anything on osut after jan of 2011? Source please

    You said over 2 years ago bud 2011 to 2012 is not over 2 years.

    However is osut is a full basic and Ait experience it was a 3+ month thing which mean basic could have ended 1.5 months prior making it late dec 2010.

  • Crazy_StickCrazy_Stick Member Posts: 1,059
    It's unreal... how far this is going.
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