60 fps when I check, don't know in battles but I haven't noticed any frame drop so I doubt I gone down below 40. There was a few areas in beta that slowed me down to sub 30 but those seem to be fixed.
Originally posted by Masa1 Speaking of SWTOR, even it ran with 60fps on my PC.
See now you are jsut going too far LOL, I know you troll GW2 a lot but that made me LOL
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simply not the case. The engine is excellent. The game was playable on my laptop before they optimized and unbound the gpu. At start of early access I was playing a smooth yet detailed game and my laptop is good, but certainly not great. My gpu is roughly equivalent to a 4850 in fact. I feel it is the drivers on your end more than anything. I was prompted to install beta nvidia drivers at first log in. Perhaps AMD/ATI just hasn't caught up on that end yet.
Im running the game at fairly high settings. I havent really adjusted anything, they were all set good when I first entered the game. Im running at around 60-70 fps most places. Might drop a little sometimes, but I dont really notice it in that case. The game looks absoutely stunning.
During the BWE's I got about 10fps -30fps on this system:
Athlon X2 250 3.0 Ghz
3 GB ddr3 1333
AMD 4770 HD
windows xp sp2
I decided to do a little upgrade just to get a bit more fps and now get 30-55'ish fps.
Athlon X2 250 slightly overclocked from 3.0 to 3.2 ghz
12 GB ddr3 1333 ram
Sapphire 7770 HD OC'd edition
new 128 GB Adata SSD hard drive
Fresh new Windows 7 64bit with only GW2 installed on new SSD
What I've seen is that the game is still VERY cpu dependant. My GPU has only been operating at about 35 % while at the same time my CPU is going at 70% and up.
Next upgrade will be a new CPU unless Arenanet optimizes more for GPU utilization.
Final thought is that while I was on a budget I still bought the HD7770 because even though it doesn't preform great under Direct X 9, I have hope that soon GW2 will run DX 11 which should run much better with my card.
EDIT: The top results were on med settings, bottom results are on high settings with no post-processing and shadows on low.
I maintain a solid 45-55 fps in outer zones and about 35-40 in Lion's Arch. I have most settings on max, even shadows on Ultra. Shaders on medium. Post processing is on. My specs are very modest:
I7 860 clocked to manufacturer settings at 2.88Ghz
Radeon 5770
8GB DDR3
But you don't really care what specs I or anyone else have. You just wanted to vent. There there.
There are obviously a bunch of people, me included, for which the game runs perfectly fine(I even have a worst setup than you). In your end you say you can run other games really well but not GW2. I suggest trying to reinstall the game. These problems are hard to fine, it usually ends up being something in your pc config or the engine has issues with something in your system. I also suggest to look for someone with a similar vid card, that is what is going to help decide if its a problem with the vid card in general or your system.
You're not alone, I have the same problem (tho my rig is not the newest or best : AMD Athlon Dual Core 2,4 ATI Radeon 4800, 2GB RAM) and I already got used to my 15-25 FPSes
The weird thing is that it really doesnt matter if I'm playing on high/low(not ultra - thats unplayable) settings
So the game is at least somehow nice
But it's quite sad
I cant even login to WvWvW because zergfests take me down to 5 FPS //
I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them
For crying out loud, stop living in the past. You already admitted it, your PC sucks. Don't blame the game. I've got the game on full graphics with a steady 60 FPS, using a mid range system. You ripped yourself off by not upgrading your PC, it's not ANET's fault in the slightest.
It's your's.
I could upgrade... but every other modern game works with max FPS. It's ONLY GW2 which works so badly. Why spend 1500€ for 1 game? It's GW2s fault.
For crying out loud, stop living in the past. You already admitted it, your PC sucks. Don't blame the game. I've got the game on full graphics with a steady 60 FPS, using a mid range system. You ripped yourself off by not upgrading your PC, it's not ANET's fault in the slightest.
It's your's.
I could upgrade... but every other modern game works with max FPS. It's ONLY GW2 which works so badly. Why spend 1500€ for 1 game? It's GW2s fault.
Yet, my dual core with less resources than your system runs the game better, at higher settings.
How odd, couldn't be that your comp has an issue, nah, never!
i just made a new desktop and runs 60fps+ with everything maxed. until two days ago i was using a laptop that ran the game at like 20fps on the lowest settings. the game looks a lot better to me now, but i can't really say it was a bad game on the lower settings. i enjoy the look of the world a bit more, but it still looked amazing on the lower settings. they did a great job with the game imo.
Being that this is a DX9 game shouldn't it run good on lower-mid range systems? I mean you shouldn't have to have a brand new machine to run a DX9 game. I still love the game and the work they're doing but I would like to see smoother optimization.
I understand you are upset, but logically looking at it, there must be something up with your system....Some of the people might not be able to get 60 FPS, but just about everyone has a playable stable game on their hands.
I would suggest looking up new drivers, updating bios, whatever you need to catch up on, then get into more serious diagnostics, such as individual pieces of hardware. their are a variety of tests for those online and free
I have latest drivers, I doubt that updating BIOS is going to help.
The fact is, the performance of this game is horrible. The engine which supports the whole game blows quite simply. Programmers who made it only cared about getting it to work, there wasn't enough effort and/or time to get it to work well. It could probably use at least 200 manhours of optimization and even then it would just barely run with 40 fps on my PC.
They wanted money fast so they released the game. They milked customers out of their money already so there's no more need to please those who bought the game, but can't run it well enough. GW2 is finished. At least for those with not super computers.
Wanted money fast? They spent years making this game. You obviously have no F***ing clue what you are talking about. You have too little PC to run the game and thats their fault? Yeah they rushed it to market, F***ing genius you are.
My FPS is really all over the place. When there's a lot of people on the screen at the same time, I get anything between 40 and 60 FPS. When I'm alone I apparently can get 160 FPS.
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Most GW2 rants on this forum are based on opinions of people that haven't really (or have hardly at all) played the game. Thus those rants are stupid.
However your rant, I do agree with. Anet has done a crappy job optimizing the game, and there is just no nice way of saying this. Sadly. And it's not at all what i expected, because GW1 was runing smooth even on crappies possible PCs you could get. Too bad, since they were promising the same for GW2. It is true, that game looks really nice on highest possible settings (i can play like that) but the FPS count is too low and I hope they fix it.
Right now the game is completely CPU bound, GPU utlitzation is at minimum. And that's where the problem is...
So yes, sir, you have all the right to be pissed off, even tho I really like the game, I do admit that. And I already told them in beta that if they let the game run like this on release, they're gonna go "SCREW YOU!" on alot of people... And I gues that's exactly what they did.
Funny thing tho, there's not many people complaining about it. People owning really high-spec PCs just seem to be satisfied with runing the game at 60-100 FPS, even tho it should be runing with much higher count, while many other people just can't run the game decently.
Oh well...
That's bullshit. I'm running the game at nearly 60fps and sometimes even higher on all max settings, except for shadows which I have on high, on a GTX 460SE. That's a 2 year old mid range video card.
This is one of the better optimized MMOs I've had the pleasure of playing. OP's system is not powerful enough to run a new MMO at 60fps. And quite honestly, I'm tired of people keeping PC gaming back. Whining and complaining that a brand new game doesn't run at 60 fps on a system which clearly cannot handle serious gaming anymore. It's like complaining that a PS3 game doesn't work on a PS2.
If you want to play most modern games at 60+ fps, you have to keep somewhat current with the components, it's as simple as that.
All settings maxed with a mid-range computer and graphics card but with PP turned off, running at 1900 res. 50-60, dropping to 40 during large boss events and pvp.
I hate to be one of those guys that says "Get a better computer" but....yeah.
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I run at 1440x900 @ 75hz (vsync on) and I usually get around 40 and up with it being an average of 60.
I run all settings max except for reflections off, shadows set to low or medium, and FXAA off. I am really surprised I do not just always get 75 FPS due to the hardware I have.
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60 fps when I check, don't know in battles but I haven't noticed any frame drop so I doubt I gone down below 40. There was a few areas in beta that slowed me down to sub 30 but those seem to be fixed.
I5 3570k
560Ti with the latest 306 drivers
8gb ram
settings on absolute max.
I run @ 50-60 w/ everything maxed...
with the exception of WvW but I usually tweak my setting for that.
@ the OP.. its not ANETs fault your running a lower end/outdated PC.
When your 350 LBS and buy a medium T-shirt.. does it fit? When you cant get it on do you feel ripped off?
Kinda silly
See now you are jsut going too far LOL, I know you troll GW2 a lot but that made me LOL
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Im running the game at fairly high settings. I havent really adjusted anything, they were all set good when I first entered the game. Im running at around 60-70 fps most places. Might drop a little sometimes, but I dont really notice it in that case. The game looks absoutely stunning.
Intel QuadCore i5-2500K 3.3Ghz @ 4.4Ghz
2x Radeon 6970 Crossfire
16GB 1600 DDR3
During the BWE's I got about 10fps -30fps on this system:
Athlon X2 250 3.0 Ghz
3 GB ddr3 1333
AMD 4770 HD
windows xp sp2
I decided to do a little upgrade just to get a bit more fps and now get 30-55'ish fps.
Athlon X2 250 slightly overclocked from 3.0 to 3.2 ghz
12 GB ddr3 1333 ram
Sapphire 7770 HD OC'd edition
new 128 GB Adata SSD hard drive
Fresh new Windows 7 64bit with only GW2 installed on new SSD
What I've seen is that the game is still VERY cpu dependant. My GPU has only been operating at about 35 % while at the same time my CPU is going at 70% and up.
Next upgrade will be a new CPU unless Arenanet optimizes more for GPU utilization.
Final thought is that while I was on a budget I still bought the HD7770 because even though it doesn't preform great under Direct X 9, I have hope that soon GW2 will run DX 11 which should run much better with my card.
EDIT: The top results were on med settings, bottom results are on high settings with no post-processing and shadows on low.
I maintain a solid 45-55 fps in outer zones and about 35-40 in Lion's Arch. I have most settings on max, even shadows on Ultra. Shaders on medium. Post processing is on. My specs are very modest:
I7 860 clocked to manufacturer settings at 2.88Ghz
Radeon 5770
8GB DDR3
But you don't really care what specs I or anyone else have. You just wanted to vent. There there.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
If you have performance issues after looking at drivers and such, you will get the biggest improvements by turning down shadows and reflections.
Use the auto-detect as a starting point, then start reducing stuff until you get at least 30 fps.
Edit: looking at the screenshot, everything is pretty low, but it is an older card. Still a bit surprising.
You're not alone, I have the same problem (tho my rig is not the newest or best : AMD Athlon Dual Core 2,4 ATI Radeon 4800, 2GB RAM) and I already got used to my 15-25 FPSes
The weird thing is that it really doesnt matter if I'm playing on high/low(not ultra - thats unplayable) settings
So the game is at least somehow nice
But it's quite sad
I cant even login to WvWvW because zergfests take me down to 5 FPS
//
I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them
*cough* load of crap *cough*.
Yet, my dual core with less resources than your system runs the game better, at higher settings.
How odd, couldn't be that your comp has an issue, nah, never!
Horrible advice, do not use the auto detect.
Turn everything to the lowest settings possible, then adjust upwards from there. Standard operating procedure for troubleshooting performance issues.
Being that this is a DX9 game shouldn't it run good on lower-mid range systems? I mean you shouldn't have to have a brand new machine to run a DX9 game. I still love the game and the work they're doing but I would like to see smoother optimization.
Wanted money fast? They spent years making this game. You obviously have no F***ing clue what you are talking about. You have too little PC to run the game and thats their fault? Yeah they rushed it to market, F***ing genius you are.
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That's bullshit. I'm running the game at nearly 60fps and sometimes even higher on all max settings, except for shadows which I have on high, on a GTX 460SE. That's a 2 year old mid range video card.
This is one of the better optimized MMOs I've had the pleasure of playing. OP's system is not powerful enough to run a new MMO at 60fps. And quite honestly, I'm tired of people keeping PC gaming back. Whining and complaining that a brand new game doesn't run at 60 fps on a system which clearly cannot handle serious gaming anymore. It's like complaining that a PS3 game doesn't work on a PS2.
If you want to play most modern games at 60+ fps, you have to keep somewhat current with the components, it's as simple as that.
GTX570
I5 2500
4 gig
Running over 60 FPS on max settings.
All settings maxed with a mid-range computer and graphics card but with PP turned off, running at 1900 res. 50-60, dropping to 40 during large boss events and pvp.
I hate to be one of those guys that says "Get a better computer" but....yeah.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
i7 3820
Radeon HD 7970
16gigs of DDR3 memory
I run at 1440x900 @ 75hz (vsync on) and I usually get around 40 and up with it being an average of 60.
I run all settings max except for reflections off, shadows set to low or medium, and FXAA off. I am really surprised I do not just always get 75 FPS due to the hardware I have.
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