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no....this wasnt a bad move my mmorpg.com....mourning is sketchy, shady, weird, and seemingly bad situation to be involved in
check out forums here, mourning forums, and other site's forums talking about mourning....no other game has such bad underground publicity as mourning...they were supposedly banning people for canceling pre-orders, wtf is that about....
and if you feel mmorpg is censoring you, relax....check the mmorpg news sites and put the big picture together...you shouldnt be relying on any one source for news.
knowledge is understanding the information around you...and i'm not fucking calling you dumb=)
I have no stake in this, I don't feel that MMORPG represents the MMO community at all. In fact most posts I read here are written by people who have hardly played an MMO which is evident in the content of their posts (most not all, some of you have highly insightful and informed posts regarding various issues in MMORPG's, and you know who you are). Further moderation of a forumed site is needed to foster a true community. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
This is just a customer base to them. And that is totally legitimate. But don't run around pretending you represent the community... after all tons of other games have disrespected players and the MMO community (at large) in the past and MMORPG.com took no stance on those situations. So when MMORPG starts boycotting all games that piss on the player base (customers, stakeholders, and community) then we can talk.
I agree MMORPG brings about many fun and informative experiences. And I agree that MMORPG has the odd good review. And I thank them for their wonderful gaming site, and all the hard work they do. But MMORPG does make money on this site, and so can not be considered an non-partisan, objective agent in this issue. It is because of this vested interest in profit that mmorpg.com can not call themselves community representatives (or even true members of the community for that mater). Yes you may be players, but you are players who have something to gain, and that means you sit in a different boat than the rest of the community.
Regardless I completely respect MMORPG.com's business decision to dump promotion on Mourning. It looked like a horrible game anyway (IMHO).
AFTER THOUGHT
Out right removal of Mourning is likely a bad idea. This will turn other prospective game companies off because it struts the attitude of dont mess up in dealings with us (mmorpg.com) or we will boycott you. A better solution would be to leave the Mourning forums up, and leave the game listed on the site, but just forget to update the information ever again. Simply put leave what you have, and never add more to it and possibly dont moderate the Mourning forums, because as I said above (Moderating a forum helps breed a community).
FINBAR
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- MMORPG.COM Staff -
The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive.
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Who cares what they do the ratings of other games? Look over the site, 99% of the reviews and hype is generated by players and forum members and ive NEVER seen a staff member come on the boards promoting Game XVXZX.[/b][/quote]
But let's say the MMORPG staff really likes a game, it wouldn't be that hard for them to just throw out 50% of the reviews that rated the game below a 7. I'm not saying that this is happening but whta I"m saying is that once you start showing favoritism one way or the other it can really hurt how people trust your opinions. Also I've noticed that they say they did this becuase of these PMs they received but they don't want to talk about it. If they didn't want to talk about it they would've quietly faded Mourning off of the site they wouldn't have put it up as a main news story on the front page. It's like me taking out an ad in the local paper calling my ex wife all sorts of nasty things then when people ask what that's all about I just say "I don't want to talk about it." MMORPG is the one that took this public they should at least show some evidence as to why they made these decisions.
I urge you to reconsider the "remove" decision. For a site such as this one, the selective ommision, exclusion, or removal of any one game for any reason goes very much counter to the core purpose of the site, and is a huge disservice to anyone that comes here find and read information. This site does not present itself as someones list of favorite MMOs, rather it appears to be an exhaustively complete list of such games. Clearly, if there are issues with the coverage and discussion of one game more than the rest, something needs to be done to indicate that is the case, but removing the game from the list altogether should not be the route taken.
House of Sagacious
Real Life
Right on, mmorpg.com. There is no reason anyone should buy/promote a company that provide a poor quality product. I applaude you, and wish more people would stand up and back their opinions of companies they deal with.... Unless you like receiving bad service over and over again.
I do not think poeple who have not read the massege can say whatever or not this dicision is good or not, but in my opinion the massege would be rater and insult to the poeple of MMORPG.com before they would close it down. They give the site FREE comurcial so the companies producing the games should respect that, but as said before i do not know what was in the letters
I think this is something that prompted it, taken from the Mourning boards:
I guess they were offended by someone violating an NDA or, maybe from what ive heard they get paranoid over small situatuions...
Whats with everyone saying mmorpg.com is bad now that they have done this. What if at shool you say how cool this guy is and how he is your best bud, and then he turns around and starts beating you up. Thats what seems to have happened here. Would you still say how cool he was if he was being a bully and beating you up?
look at the big picture and think about what your saying before you post. please.
I don't see why people are are suggesting this is about favoritism. I'd expect this reaction from another fansite. For example, if Sony started showing complete disrespect towards GameSpy in private messages and talking about their community would you expect them to keep quiet and accept it or would you expect them to do something. What about Gamespot or IGN. Would you expect FilePlanet to continue to work together with a company if they treated them with disrespect? I don't see this as being about listing games as favorites. I'd expect those sites to blacklist or stop coverage from those companies if they were treated unfairly or with disrespect. Just like you'd expect a store to stop caring a certain name brand if the relationship with a company goes bad or for a store to refuse service to a certain customer if there has been a constant problem with them. I think people are trying to make this out to be more then it is.
As said, they haven't had any problems like this with any other company. People shouldn't be acting if they can't trust MMORPG again. People should be feeling they can trust MMORPG more since they were up front about this and explained their actions and didn't try to hide this or make up some reason. THey were upfront about this and clear. This should build your trust in them.
I vist MMORPG.com daily and check out news all the time. I don't really care much for Mourning nor have I checked it out. However, this decision does raise questions now in my mind if this is indeed a site that I can trust. I completely second this poster's position and think you should reinstate the forum and listing and put all emails from Mourning emails/promotions/media outlays directly to your junk mail. You are not promoting Mourning by having the forum, you are doing what *we* expect to get when we visit your site. I am not defending Mourning activities, but two wrongs don't make a right.
Well this should end the discussion...
THE MOURNING DEVS ASKED FOR THE GAME TO BE REMOVED FROM MMORPG.COM
Quote from Mourning administrator:
End of discussion on MMORPG.com showing favoritism.
Just out of curiosity the devs on the Mourning forums say they asked to be removed from MMORPG.com, just wondering if the mmorpg staff would acknowledge wether that's true or not.
AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!
TIAMAT POSTED THIS : "The deletion of Mourning forums and game from MMORPG.com was due to our express request.
We don't need boards which are exactly the opposite of the concepts based on which we founded our community.
That's the same reason because of which we refused to make VN boards as Mourning game boards. You can't create a true community nor get any help from some boards filled up more than 90% with insulting languages and flame wars.
Also, we were always encuraged out community to speak up their minds, and act like people with spine. We don't need mindless fanbois as our followers, the same as we don't need trolls messing up our boards.
We didn't shout the mouth of threads or discussions saying bad things about our game, because ALL the input and feedback is needed in order to make things work as they really should. A developer must be really stupid to do that to his community.
All we EVER asked was to use a common sense language and support your saying with facts and examples, and mostly banned only people which used bad language or trolled the boards. I said mostly because there were some a few exceptions allready well known from this, but we hope that we already solved that, and it will never happens again.
Also, I don't understand the behavior of MMORPG staff. we never said MMORPG.com sucks, we just said Mourning boards from their site are a lame excuse of a forum. I guess we had the right to say that about the forum of OUR game from their site. There weren't mature discussion about our game in there, as they should as it was a game's board, but in fact only imature people trolling everything related with our game, like all the Mourning-is-a-scum magic or the billing-thinggye. I guess if those kinds of posts would have been made on other game's forums in there, they would have been quickly dealt with.. but of course, for Mourning wasn't the case.. Also, they didn't did anything regarding all the ones which posted in there all sort of stupid things to feed those flame wars and preteding they are from our staff.
Yet MMORPG staff came up and said some things about us which should have never be said in a professional relationship.
That's why I said yes when our discussion came to the point of which we should have to ask from MMORPG staff to entirely delete Mourning game and its forums from their site.
And I'm quite sure that not we are the ones who'll have to lose from this.
And as a last thing, it's astonishing to see that they claim they were the ones doing this because they felt so:
quote:Today MMORPG.com has made the difficult decision to remove the game "Mourning" from our list of MMORPG's as well as shut down our Mourning specific forums.
We would like to clarify that this decision was not based on the actions of any community members at MMORPG.com - rather our core feelings about the company behind this project, and the way they treat us and their community.
My dear MMORPG staff, what about the fact the WE expressely asked you to do this?
I gues we'll see who was right about this. Atm I'm just glad we don't have to deal anymore with all the trollings from those forums."
So just because the arent funded with corp fat pigs means you cant mod their boards and get the kids banned? Mourning is doing everything they arent taking handouts by SOE Blizzard or Microsfot. MMORPG tell the story right.
I suppose it doesn't really matter then if the fans think it should be listed if the devs dont want it.
- MMORPG.COM Staff -
The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive.
Oh snap!
Good decision. I've asked our network director to not open a site for Mourning on the Stratics network. We might aswell save us the trouble before it appears
Regards,
Inferno
Dark and Light Stratics
"Fire is never a gentle master..."
Put yourself in MMORPG.coms shoes, imagine you do a whole bunch of promoting for a company and you get nothing but harassment... i tihnk youd stop dealing with them too. You must remember MMORPG.com is a business as well.
But at the same time I'm forced to wonder if I can trust MMORPG.com's word on anything as far as games go. If they're willing to dump a game because they don't agree with the devs what's to say they won't increase teh ratings of other games, or filter out the less favorable reviews of games of which they have good standing with the devs.
Exactly. I don't agree with certain behaviors of the developers of Mourning, but that is no reason to remove it from a game list. It IS an MMORPG and it IS coming out. I thought this website was for gamers and was un-biased. Apparently not. This is just as childish as those poor behaviors I spoke of above.
- Lady Pashta
lol, the Admin is trolling this thread. WoW, no wonder every other game forum here is BS
I see no problem with this decision. I'll even picture an example. My dad's store, just started up, and he would pretty much like any business, yet if he sees someone sleezy or rude or something along those lines, he'll just as well throw them out of the store. So it's sort of like that, MMORPG.com is glad to bring more people to MMORPGs and certain ones, but not at the expense of being ridiculed and mistreated. I believe this was the right decision, and besides, it's not like mmorpg.com is going to delete every single post related to mourning, they said you can discuss this game in the general discussion, so you can go ahead and start a topic on that if you truly wish too. I have heard of some of the things that the company has done, and if that was similar to what happened to mmorpg.com, then I say good for you for removing them from the list.
Wow!? If this is to be believed, then MMORPG.com news was actually FALSE claim! Yikes! That isn't good at all....
End of discussion on MMORPG.com showing favoritism.
Besides this, Limitless Horizons is in no position to demand a removal of Mourning from mmorpg.com. MMORPG news networks such as this one or Stratics, do not ask for permission to dedicate sections to specific games and there is no legal basis for LH to demand anything from mmorpg.com
"Fire is never a gentle master..."
Again for the record....we never got any word from Mourning to remove their game. We decided this today after they called our community "BS" in a private message sent to us from their staff.
We have ALL the emails to prove this. The question is do they?
- MMORPG.COM Staff -
The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive.
If any of you had paused for a second to read any of the numerous threads in the MMORPG.COM forums regarding the terrible experiences that the MMORPG player community had been experiencing in their interactions with certain bad apples in the Mourning company before spewing all of this caustic bile, then you wouldn't say a thing.
Bottom line: the evidence is all there that this is an extreme and unusual set of circumstances and that MMORPG.COM is acting professionally. So settle down. This move was in all likelihood all but forced due to abusive and harassing behaviour of an abnormal degree.
-Golden