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Was "Awakening" a success?

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  • HancakesHancakes Member Posts: 1,045
    So youre now the voice of the mo community? How YOU recall a now conveniently deleted post is not fact.  Why would SV remove a seemingly positive poll? ( in your recollation) 
  • SaintPhilipSaintPhilip Member Posts: 713
    Originally posted by Hancakes
    Originally posted by realnaste

    Unless I am mistaken about the poll on MOs forums, I had an impression that most voted, that it will improve the game greatly after most of the bugs are ironed out
     

    Too funny, it's the same old song and dance. image   It's always what MO might be someday, never what  it is.   We've been waiting for over two years to get MOs "bugs ironed out" , now theyve created even more. 

    THIS^^^^^^^ Sums things up IMHO.

    Since MO began (and with every Patch) the ideals were fantastic, yet we are still waiting on some of the more basic promises to be fulfilled/work as intended. This is why we cannot trust what "MO" will be like once X is fixed, Y is changed and Z will be working as intended- We still have non working placeholders from 2 and a half years ago...

    Prime example- DAWN. If you gave me a list of "features" promised in the Dawn Xpac I would HAVE TO SAY "damn, thats impressive-" so sure, ONCE the bugs are ironed out and those features WORK- Dawn would be awesome. (I am being serious here)- The problem is DAWN was NOT AWESOME and a year or so later it STILL ISNT WORKING AS INTENDED.

    Genetics, Town Life (as shown in a video from YEARS AGO), breeding, etc- These were promised and forgotten. If we were basing MOs success and failure on ideals and intentions then clearly this is a very good game. SV always has a huge list of fantastic features promised and its the same song and dance "Once this is fixed this will be fantastic" BUT it never really gets fixed.

    At some point we have to look at NOW (not down the road) and realize that MANY of SV's promises have been made, ignored, forgotten and then censored off the forum.

    Still waiting on proper AI for that matter (how many times has IT been promised? Damn Epic Patch 1 was supposed to fix that)

    Anyhow, if the barameter is so low that we measure success as "ideals" and "once X is fixed" (instead OF WAITING TO SEE IF X IS actually fixed) THEN everything IS always A SUCCESS, YES? There is no failure or dissapointment ever.

    See, there is a pattern here which many have recognized . Every patch and XPAC plays out the SAME- Not ONE SINGLE XPAC/PATCH is fully implemented, working as intended etc...Not ONE.

    So what makes any of you think that suddenly THIS PATCH will be fixed when things are missing/not working from patches from YEARS AGO? And after nearly 3 weeks now, LOOK AT THE STATE OF THE GAME. Is this patch a successs? 

    My answer is NO. Its the same ol SV lack of quality and care.

    And even before Awakening released SV started a thread about what is "coming next" (carrot on stick) knowing damn well this Patch would be a disastor. And mark my words, History WILL REPEAT ITSELF (again) and Sv will leabve this Xpac a mismatch of half working and bugged "features" (some turned off) and will begin work on the next Hyped Patch ior "feature"

    Thats the point of this thread.If things from release still dont properly work, things from all previous patches do not work- How can you think THIS patch is a success ONCE IT WORKS? (spoiler: its not going to EVER work...)

    EDIT: Sv will get the patch "stable" and move on- Bugs will be left, features will not work properly etc.

    EDIT 2: The point I was trying to make (I am a bit tired and the weekend is coming so my minds a bit foggy, lol) is that this POLL is NOT FLAWED. Its a YES or a NO.  No variations of "Once its working" since we really do not know if it will EVER WORK (and based on the past its a good bet it will NOT ever work as intended)- And only 6% on the official Forum felt it was a success. That is why I find it odd nearly 26% of those polled here find Awakening to be a success. The official forums are so filled with complaintes it isnt funny- And considering we were told in a thread on the official Forum that there would be organized attempts to "drum up support" on other forums- I am suspisious that this Poll was corrupted by those people. Thats my story and I am sticking to it =P

     

  • realnasterealnaste Member Posts: 98


    Originally posted by Hancakes So youre now the voice of the mo community? How YOU recall a now conveniently deleted post is not fact.  Why would SV remove a seemingly positive poll? ( in your recollation) 
     
    hehehe...no. I'm not the voice of the community. Most voted that Awakening will be an improvement when the bugs get ironed out. Simple as that.
  • argiropargirop Member UncommonPosts: 300
    Originally posted by realnaste

     


    Originally posted by Hancakes So youre now the voice of the mo community? How YOU recall a now conveniently deleted post is not fact.  Why would SV remove a seemingly positive poll? ( in your recollation) 
     
    hehehe...no. I'm not the voice of the community. Most voted that Awakening will be an improvement when the bugs get ironed out. Simple as that.

     

    The bugs will never get ironed out as you said. DEV team is a bunch of untalented and incompetend kids that are trying to sell sea weed instead of silk ribbons to people like yourself. And since you are here shouting loud and puting yourself infront of the miserable company thats behind MO they are actualy suceeding at one point.

     

    P.S. Have you bought SV's shares as you where claiming you will some time ago just to get Henriks attention in official MO forums?

  • realnasterealnaste Member Posts: 98

     


    Originally posted by argirop

    Originally posted by realnaste  

    Originally posted by Hancakes So youre now the voice of the mo community? How YOU recall a now conveniently deleted post is not fact.  Why would SV remove a seemingly positive poll? ( in your recollation) 
      hehehe...no. I'm not the voice of the community. Most voted that Awakening will be an improvement when the bugs get ironed out. Simple as that.  
    The bugs will never get ironed out as you said. DEV team is a bunch of untalented and incompetend kids that are trying to sell sea weed instead of silk ribbons to people like yourself. And since you are here shouting loud and puting yourself infront of the miserable company thats behind MO they are actualy suceeding at one point.   P.S. Have you bought SV's shares as you where claiming you will some time ago just to get Henriks attention in official MO forums?
     Never said the bugs will be fixed. I'm not claiming to know the future, like some around here. Nope. I asked how to do it, got the answer "go to your bank", turned out it doesn't work like that, so I just let it go.PS. Your assumptions are funny by the way, please pull more out of your ass while you are at it. 
    PPS. Stalking is creepy, but again: while you're at it, at least try not to present only the side that somehow helps your cause, you little hater you. ;)

     

  • argiropargirop Member UncommonPosts: 300
    Originally posted by realnaste

     


    Originally posted by argirop

    Originally posted by realnaste  

    Originally posted by Hancakes So youre now the voice of the mo community? How YOU recall a now conveniently deleted post is not fact.  Why would SV remove a seemingly positive poll? ( in your recollation) 
      hehehe...no. I'm not the voice of the community. Most voted that Awakening will be an improvement when the bugs get ironed out. Simple as that.  
    The bugs will never get ironed out as you said. DEV team is a bunch of untalented and incompetend kids that are trying to sell sea weed instead of silk ribbons to people like yourself. And since you are here shouting loud and puting yourself infront of the miserable company thats behind MO they are actualy suceeding at one point.   P.S. Have you bought SV's shares as you where claiming you will some time ago just to get Henriks attention in official MO forums?
     Never said the bugs will be fixed. I'm not claiming to know the future, like some around here. Nope. I asked how to do it, got the answer "go to your bank", turned out it doesn't work like that, so I just let it go.PS. Your assumptions are funny by the way, please pull more out of your ass while you are at it. 
    PPS. Stalking is creepy, but again: while you're at it, at least try not to present only the side that somehow helps your cause, you little hater you. ;)

     

    You got me all wrong. I m not claiming to know the future aswell. But bet your ass that i know the past and i dont tend to forget it like few people around here. Too bad you couldnt buy some shares cause you could use them as plain paper. What can i say i m a funny guy and i m glad i do make you laugh.

    PS. Haha stalking... You made me laugh aswell. I just remembered the laughs i had when i saw you asking about the shares and Henrik rushed in the conversation like a hungry for money individual he is to offer you a solution. As for my cause i can assure you i dont have any. But as much as you would like it i will not stop telling the truth concerning MO and will be glad if my time worths at least saving one gamer from throwing a few euros to abyss. You little fanboy you :D.

  • realnasterealnaste Member Posts: 98

     


    Originally posted by argirop

    Originally posted by realnaste  

    Originally posted by argirop

    Originally posted by realnaste  

    Originally posted by Hancakes So youre now the voice of the mo community? How YOU recall a now conveniently deleted post is not fact.  Why would SV remove a seemingly positive poll? ( in your recollation) 
      hehehe...no. I'm not the voice of the community. Most voted that Awakening will be an improvement when the bugs get ironed out. Simple as that.  
    The bugs will never get ironed out as you said. DEV team is a bunch of untalented and incompetend kids that are trying to sell sea weed instead of silk ribbons to people like yourself. And since you are here shouting loud and puting yourself infront of the miserable company thats behind MO they are actualy suceeding at one point.   P.S. Have you bought SV's shares as you where claiming you will some time ago just to get Henriks attention in official MO forums?
     Never said the bugs will be fixed. I'm not claiming to know the future, like some around here. Nope. I asked how to do it, got the answer "go to your bank", turned out it doesn't work like that, so I just let it go.PS. Your assumptions are funny by the way, please pull more out of your ass while you are at it.  PPS. Stalking is creepy, but again: while you're at it, at least try not to present only the side that somehow helps your cause, you little hater you. ;)  
    You got me all wrong. I m not claiming to know the future aswell. But bet your ass that i know the past and i dont tend to forget it like few people around here. Too bad you couldnt buy some shares cause you could use them as plain paper. What can i say i m a funny guy and i m glad i do make you laugh. PS. Haha stalking... You made me laugh aswell. I just remembered the laughs i had when i saw you asking about the shares and Henrik rushed in the conversation like a hungry for money individual he is to offer you a solution. As for my cause i can assure you i dont have any. But as much as you would like it i will not stop telling the truth concerning MO and will be glad if my time worths at least saving one gamer from throwing a few euros to abyss. You little fanboy you :D.
     Never heard of high risk investments? :P
    But seriously:I was treating it more like gambling than a serious plan to get proper income. I may be naive, but I'm not that naive. I know the chances that it would actually pay up are less than slim, but if it would, with the current price of shares...you understand by now I think- just like a lottery. By the way I don't think me buying a few shares would have any impact on SV at all. I don't think it works like that.
    As for the past- insinuating I forgot it? Well some of it most certainly, but if you are as scrupulous a stalker as I think you are, then you already know by my posts on the MO forums (some quoted by local haters, so can't be all "praise MO!" now can it?), that I'm not actually as blind as some might think I am by the posts I tend to leave here.There is just no point in repeating all the faults of MO for the hundredth time here, since there are individuals like you who are more than happy to do so plus add some drama, over exaggeration and conspiracy theories, but somehow in their rightful rage forget that there actually might be another side of the coin. I like to think I bring that side to the table ^^
    Anyway- what exactly is a fanboy?
     And another question I always wanted to ask- why am I never quoted when I (or anyone else for that matter) actually say something nice about MO on the official forums? 
  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593
    Originally posted by Toferio
    Originally posted by Fadedbomb
    Originally posted by indiramourn
    Originally posted by deathshroud
    ... in the lnog run it will improve the game but right now its a failure.

    Sounds like an appropriate epitaph for MO.  After I did the trial recently I am not surprised one bit.  A more incompetent group of developers I have never seen.

    To be fair they're not actually developers, and are merely "Scripters" for the engine they're using. More to the point, they're Scripters recruited from the modding community of all things.

    You've got your terms wrong. MO aside, being a developer has nothing to do with what tools you use. If you're making a game, you're a developer, period. It doesn't matter if you use scripting, an existing engine or mod a game. 

    However there is indeed a difference between a scripter and a programmer.

    Whatever they are, they are not good.

  • SaintPhilipSaintPhilip Member Posts: 713

    Nearly 1 in 3 have said Awakening was a success (via this Poll) but not 1 single Post to explain what was so succesful about it- In fact, the only one even trying to have a dialouge is Realnaste.

    Out of 43 votes, that means approz 14people are very happy with this Xpac- But apparently will not explain why, what was so good about it, etc.

    -Realnaste,I appreciate your actually discussing things and although I disagree with you I respect your opinion. I also find it pretty damn funny about the "stock" being like the Lotto  (but it isnt a bet I would make with real money lol)-

    Anyhow, so as not to derail this thread more than it is- Do you think this Poll seems correct- That approx 1/3 of everyone is quite happy with this Xpac? Could you also tell us WHY? What is working properly and adding to the game?

    EDIT: I would like to add that I do NOT think your a blind fanboy- I have watched you tell it like it is before and generally you avoid stupid insults. You are one of the few that come here and actually engage in dialouge.

  • ToferioToferio Member UncommonPosts: 1,411
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by Toferio
    Originally posted by Fadedbomb
    Originally posted by indiramourn
    Originally posted by deathshroud
    ... in the lnog run it will improve the game but right now its a failure.

    Sounds like an appropriate epitaph for MO.  After I did the trial recently I am not surprised one bit.  A more incompetent group of developers I have never seen.

    To be fair they're not actually developers, and are merely "Scripters" for the engine they're using. More to the point, they're Scripters recruited from the modding community of all things.

    You've got your terms wrong. MO aside, being a developer has nothing to do with what tools you use. If you're making a game, you're a developer, period. It doesn't matter if you use scripting, an existing engine or mod a game. 

    However there is indeed a difference between a scripter and a programmer.

    Whatever they are, they are not good.

    That I can agree with :P

  • psykobillypsykobilly Member Posts: 338

     

    Don't get how anyone is happy with awakening.  The two big things promised were AI and GUI.

    The AI is actually worse (less intelligent) than it was before awakening.  That was supposed to be the new great thing...  mobs aggro at a greater distance, have more hp, do more damage, but there is no intelligence to the mobs whatsoever.  The mobs actually follow your exact path instead of following _you_.  Nothing revolutionary like Theia promised on this forum.  They warp, they rocket, they disappear under terrain, fly into the sky, etc.  I'm very happy they are tougher than before, but there is no AI improvement.  Forget taming... pets in combat are fucking worthless.

    The GUI is actually less functional.  Before I had 2 hotbars to use... now I have only 1 plus a sidebar that is useless.  They should have expanded hotbars so I could have as many as I want using a hotkey to flip between them.  Very bad hotbar design.  Aside from the bugs, the inventory and banking are exactly the same as before.  Putting a pretty graphic around it does not make it 'better'.  There is no new functionality in the chat window...  why have tabs even if I can have only one chat tab?  The new GUI has delivered no improvement that I can see.

    I see them as 0/2 on the big promises of awakening.

    The biggest thing that annoys me is the new content.  It's great that there are new dungeons to explore...  but the reward for doing it?  The chance to pick a chest to get scrolls...  that won't be implemented until the next expansion.  What kind of fucking reward is that?  Really makes me not motivated after I've done all the dungeons once already.

    Awakening should never have been.  They should have released the GUI and AI in individual patches, and slowly worked out the bugs before moving on to the next.

     

  • HancakesHancakes Member Posts: 1,045
    Originally posted by psykobilly

     

    They should have released the GUI and AI in individual patches, and slowly worked out the bugs before moving on to the next.

     

    Wheres the "hype" in that ? 

  • deathshrouddeathshroud Member Posts: 1,366
    Originally posted by Hancakes
    Originally posted by psykobilly

     

    They should have released the GUI and AI in individual patches, and slowly worked out the bugs before moving on to the next.

     

    Wheres the "hype" in that ? 

    well were was the hype with awakening? like 10 people resubbed.

    there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

  • LahuzerLahuzer Member UncommonPosts: 782
    Well, I still think it´s to early to say if Awakening for a success or not. Just yesterday they released their biggest patch after Awakening fixing things like pets/stable/broker etc. I guess within 2-3 weeks from now we will be able to enjoy Awakening as it was intended. So this poll is done way to early.
  • HancakesHancakes Member Posts: 1,045
    Originally posted by Lahuzer
    Well, I still think it´s to early to say if Awakening for a success or not. Just yesterday they released their biggest patch after Awakening fixing things like pets/stable/broker etc. I guess within 2-3 weeks from now we will be able to enjoy Awakening as it was intended. So this poll is done way to early.

    Awakening was to "fix" Mortal Online and add features that were promised years ago.   image

     

    So youre saying its too early to judge the "fix" after at least 10 fixes (patches) to the fix? image

     

     

    What are you basing this 2-3 weeks lol one? imageI mean, look at the state of the game 2 YEARS after release

  • SaintPhilipSaintPhilip Member Posts: 713
    Originally posted by Lahuzer
    Well, I still think it´s to early to say if Awakening for a success or not. Just yesterday they released their biggest patch after Awakening fixing things like pets/stable/broker etc. I guess within 2-3 weeks from now we will be able to enjoy Awakening as it was intended. So this poll is done way to early.

    Too early???? Its been like 3 weeks or more since this Xpac rolled out. Too early to tell if its a success because it doesnt work 3 weeks later is NOT A SUCCESS.

    Anyhow thats funny- SV is blessed to have paying customers such as yourself.

    EDIT: So what would (in your estimation) be a proper timeframe to give a company to patch the patches on top of their patchs before we can decide if it was succesful? Longer than 3 weeks?

  • argiropargirop Member UncommonPosts: 300
    Originally posted by SaintPhilip

    EDIT: So what would (in your estimation) be a proper timeframe to give a company to patch the patches on top of their patchs before we can decide if it was succesful? Longer than 3 weeks?

    My bet will be 3 more years.

  • SaintPhilipSaintPhilip Member Posts: 713
    Originally posted by argirop
    Originally posted by SaintPhilip

    EDIT: So what would (in your estimation) be a proper timeframe to give a company to patch the patches on top of their patchs before we can decide if it was succesful? Longer than 3 weeks?

    My bet will be 3 more years.

    Yes, 3 years to Patch the patches that patched the original patches.

    But during that 3 years of Patching they will add at least 1 new thing which will break 3 more things and then  release a new Patch which will make them have to patch already patched patches...All over again.

    And the cycle will continue for eternity. 

    *Cue Disney Showtoon about cycle of life*

    -Then, at some point during eternity they will have a perfectly working product, their ideals finally realized and the game we have all  been waiting for- A rush od subscribers will bring back FAILED and other bugs which will take another couple years to sort out.

    Finally, as everything is working as intended, population levels high and everything is FUN FUN FUN- Thats when an asteroid hits the Earth and destroys mankind like it did to the Dinosaurs.

    And then Dolphins grow hands, evolve , create a nuclear device, invent the Internet and Online gamings- And it all begins again.

    *cue another Disney Cycle of Life song- Sung by a Dolphin who looks strikingly similar to Henrik*

  • CroniteLoreCroniteLore Member Posts: 99

    Whatever happens to MO it is outside the control of this Board. Many here have been falsely predicting MO's demise for what... the whole time it's been released? And it is still here.

    I'm a fanboi - happy to admit it as for me Mortal is the only game in town as far as good fantasy sandox goes.

    Yes it's broken all over the place but only time will tell if they make it or not.

    I vote yes (as a fanboi should) - the haters here vote no - but at the end of the day our votes will not influence it and frankly, don't count. 

    We are all (of course) allowed an opinion.

    SV have said that when Awakening is fixed they'll market the game - they are after all trying to make a living here.

    Soooo - we'll see what happens. I would rather be optomistic that they're going to make it eventually - than I have to go back to the wilderness of searching for a game with the same sort of scope.

     

    I guess.

     

    "In MO, even the haters are hardcore!" - ltank

  • MeGaTronPowerMeGaTronPower Member Posts: 80
    Jeez no one cares SrioUSly give it a rest already. Couldn't you had told Sven on their forum about this then mmorpg.com
  • CaldrinCaldrin Member UncommonPosts: 4,505

    I totally forgot about awakening .. i think ill have to check out MO again :)

     

    question is can i pull myself away from PS2 LOL :)

  • deathshrouddeathshroud Member Posts: 1,366
    i bought PS2, isnt very good :( is my assumption. Most of what made PS1 good is absent, it feels like BF it does not feel like an mmo anymore. Before you had multiple territories but in ps2 you have 1 maybe 2 at release, in ps1 you could fight to lockdown a territory preventing the opposition from moving forces into it until the timer was over which gave alot of satisfaction when your hardwork paid off. But now theres nothing to show for your teams hard work.. Also i miss the battlepoints system (or whatever they where called) which allowed you to customise your character as you see fit based on the points you earn throguh experience a sort of rpg progression. Also missing from ps2. in ps1 you had 3 types of attack craft now you have 1 :(

    there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

  • SaintPhilipSaintPhilip Member Posts: 713

    Any updates?

    Interesting that these forums (the MO forums ) have never been so dead- They were active leading up to the big Xpac and for the last Month (since Xpacs release) ....Nothing.

    Not even birds chirping.... A few crickets is about it.

    So damn- Whats going on? 30 some percent (more than 1 in 3) think Awakening was a success according to this POLL but not one person is hrere to discuss the Xpac and why its succesful.

    Rohn occasionally copy/pastes bug "fixes" (telling us whats fixed prior to the patch being released and then never updating what really was fixed- Or not.)

    I can honestly say I am bored with the MO forum.

    Alas, for the price of the Box and a few months sub time I have gotten my mony worth in laughs alone...Just not while playing, mostly reading the Forums =P

    I guess all good things come to an end.

    MO, Please entertain us again. Please....

  • UhwopUhwop Member UncommonPosts: 1,791

    I don't understand why people think that a game being developed by something like 18 guys would not be in the shape it's in. 

    SV is the definition of indipendent development.  For all the people around here that complain about themepark clones, not enough sandboxes, and especially how the elder scrolls MMO isn't really an elder scrolls game, you would think people would actually be rooting for SV to make something of this game instead of bashing every chance they get.  

    For all the SV are crooks and liars comments I see I find it interesting that sinse even before it's release they've been saying to expect a rough ride.  They didn't mean expect a rough ride for the first few months, they ment until the rough ride was actually over. 

    They were even up front that this expansion was going to require a lot of patching after it released. 

    Not supporting them financially is totally understandable, I'm not going to myself until it's in a much more playable shape. But good lord, it's not like many studios are even attempting to make such a game, the AAA developers sure aren't. 

    Anyone that wants a game like this should be rooting for these guys to get it together.  Maybe if they're able to do it, a AAA studio will actually be willing to spend some money to make an evern better game. 

    They may not be the best company out there -they sure aren't the worse-, and they may not be the best developers -in fact, most of them really were amatuers, which is kind of the norm for indipendent studios created by gaming fans-, but they are making the kind of MMO that I and many others have been asking AAA studios to make for a long time now. 

    And the truth is, not one of you people who constantly talk bad about the game can make a better one. 

     

    I'd also like to know how the expansion is going. 

  • SHOE788SHOE788 Member Posts: 700
    Originally posted by Uhwop

    I don't understand why people think that a game being developed by something like 18 guys would not be in the shape it's in. 

    SV is the definition of indipendent development.  For all the people around here that complain about themepark clones, not enough sandboxes, and especially how the elder scrolls MMO isn't really an elder scrolls game, you would think people would actually be rooting for SV to make something of this game instead of bashing every chance they get.  

    For all the SV are crooks and liars comments I see I find it interesting that sinse even before it's release they've been saying to expect a rough ride.  They didn't mean expect a rough ride for the first few months, they ment until the rough ride was actually over. 

    They were even up front that this expansion was going to require a lot of patching after it released. 

    Not supporting them financially is totally understandable, I'm not going to myself until it's in a much more playable shape. But good lord, it's not like many studios are even attempting to make such a game, the AAA developers sure aren't. 

    Anyone that wants a game like this should be rooting for these guys to get it together.  Maybe if they're able to do it, a AAA studio will actually be willing to spend some money to make an evern better game. 

    They may not be the best company out there -they sure aren't the worse-, and they may not be the best developers -in fact, most of them really were amatuers, which is kind of the norm for indipendent studios created by gaming fans-, but they are making the kind of MMO that I and many others have been asking AAA studios to make for a long time now. 

    And the truth is, not one of you people who constantly talk bad about the game can make a better one. 

     

    I'd also like to know how the expansion is going. 

    You know Minecraft, probably the most successful sandbox game, was initially developed by one (1) person?

    SV had the funds, they had the people, they didn't have the skills nor the vision.

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