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lol again another missed my point completely my god lighten up people...
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. My opinion is that RNG on cash shop items is the lowest form of cash shop shenanigans, the worst F2P titles have this kind of item, Atlantica Online being the worst example I've played, didn't get involved with buying RNG stuff from them either. What happened to B2P being this amazing model that would see the death of sub based games? The cash shop is starting to feel like any other number of F2P titles except we bought the client,is that going to be the only difference?
I think GW2 is an amazing game and has a far higher quality to it than any other F2P title, I just don't want to see the shop interfere so much in festive events, why should Halloween skins be rare? They weren't in GW, we all got the hats and drops for the events, no grind necessary and no gambling of cash either. It's a massive shift from the Anet I loved in GW and during development of GW2, a shift I certainly don't approve of either.
They handled it badly, "look folks special halloween stuff", dangle that carrot and then make the RNG rate incredibly low (currently it's estimated at .0120%, see this guru thread). They are getting a tonne of negative feedback, I'm hoping they learn a lesson, if they don't then the painting is on the wall and we know where we stand, my respect for them will take a nosedive for sure, at the moment I'm hoping they do the right thing by not repeating this kind of cash shop RNG nonsense.
No matter how much you try to cover it up or use other examples to justify it, it's still encouraging gambling with real money, personally I have a problem with that, if you don't that's fine but my opinion is just as valid and I'm entitled to it.
LOL What?????? I bought 8000 gems when I heard there is going to be this event roughly 150 gold worth, now I can use them, I dunno where this really money is required thing you are getting.
The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.
Carl Sagan-
Good for you but you doesnt' equal to entire gameing population. I doubt average player is sitting on pile of gold to convert it to gems or vice versa.
Anet has the real data with how much a player on average has gold and so far their plan is working because people are spending obscene amount of cash on gems and keys.
There is a topic on official forums about how much gold players have and most of the responses said around 10 to 20 gold.
So if you are not sitting on heap of gold then only option is to spend cash to get more gems and convert them to gold to buy skins off the TP.
Anet could have made these items available through other halloween activities but there is no profit in that because whether you spend money on keys or on gems to convert them to gold to buy skins from TP. In both situations Anet wins.
If Anet made these skins avilable through halloween activities they get nothing.
I help everyone in my guild and show them how to make the gold, 80% of my guild at a minimum sitting on 100+ gold, its because we help each other, and there are so many guides on how to get gold, as a matter of fact I have personally helped players randomly when they ask how people make money, and they have had great things to say after they have made it, 1 gold is all you need to start I can say this without a doubt that you can make 20/30 g within the first 7 days andd then use that to make 60/70 next week and it just starts climbing.
Here I'll leave you a tip buy/sell traveler gear may it be armor,sigil or runes, the higher the better in return. Use the API thats up on gw2db.com.
There is no such thing there are more people spending cash or spending gold to convert to gems, we just do not knwo that, majority of the players are not on the forums, looking at this thread there are about 5 or 6 people complaining that they have these numbers where it shows how much cash is being given to anet, its all opinions, unless you have some facts do not turn opinion of some into facts.
The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.
Carl Sagan-
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
You will never get exact statistics from any forums but if i had to trust a sample for such stastics i would rather pay attention to official forums. However, i never said 'majority' or 'most' of the people are broke or can't afford gems with gold made through playing. Because i don't want to answer your assumptions with my own.
But logic states that Anet has the data and they know how much gold on average a player has and how many would be willing to spend cash for keys and gems to maximise their profit. Whenever such changes or events happen they are very carefully planned by the companies. Anet knows what they are doing.
If they really had no intention to maximize their profit and encourage lottery system they could have easily made these skins avilable through halloween events. But if they did that they make no profit. So working as intended.
they are available throught the event for a very small silver fee(more will be added as the acts go on much like Rift).. the permanent ones are rare but you can still enjoy cool holiday skins throught the entire event without resorting to rare black lion chest finds
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Matter of taste but crafted skins and those you can buy for few silvers look like crap compared to BLC stuff. Moreover these are not permanent so not something you can keep.
When you are paying a subscription you are paying for acces to the content, it's not gambling. These boxes are like lottery tickets .
Thing is the laws concerning the internet are still retarded and backwards and haven't cuaght up to the reality of how things are.
Take the givwaways and such mmorpg has, ever notice how not all places are eligible? Guess why lol. Eventually these big companies will be held accountable, it's just going to take time for the government to catch up with what is going on.
Personally I despise lottery boxes and refuse to give a dime for em, I would much rather pay a set price for that costume or mount etc.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
my god people that post was not meant to be taken literally
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
And this statement right here is where you really see the insidious nature of this type of mechanic.
If Anet wanted, they could have put all of these costume sets up for a gem purchase price. They want it to be rare? Make it a high price. But instead they've stooped to making it a random rare drop in a chest that requires players to spend gold (money sink) or real life $$$ in order to open. It's poor treatment of the playerbase that enjoys collecting skins, imo.
I'm thinking op's title of "You are not entitled...." probably extends to the defense of what anyone says against the Guild Wars 2 team, despite the players paying $60. Same old argument pre GW2 launch, but oh look the money grab is apparent and people are still defending Greednet.
Guild Wars 1: All holiday items in the game (Before GW2 cash shop testing ramped up when the game died)
Guild Wars 2: Holiday events MAY be in your cash shop purchase, have fun and spend lots of cash please.
By the way, are max level transmutation stones in the game? You know, the ones that transmute level 80 stat items?
If you want to straight up buy it players are posting the skins on the trading post. Chain Sword Skin is up for 7 gold on the trading post. These skins are tradable. There are other ways to obtain them without paying cash or relying on luck. What is wrong with you people? lol...
You seem to contradict yourself here, the gambling in MMO's people are upset about are the senarios where you buy items in game with REAL money in hopes of getting something useful. You know like gambling in real life which you said you hate.
No one will ever make Las Vegas the MMO where you just pay your sub and have access to all the virtual gambling you want without a cash shop,
You may like virtual gambling but it doesnt happen in MMO's without you forking out real dollars.
then people would be going crazy about the "high" price of these skins.. like with anything people will complain no matter what they did.
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
I have a few on my level 16 character, actually. They stood out from the normal 1-79 variety, so I put them in the bank for later.
You make me like charity
^ this as well all skins are tradable and going up on the TP.. you want to buy them buy them easy as that as the event progresses more and more should be showing up on the TP
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
They are complaining about something they could easily buy off of the trading post should they so desire. It isn't gambling... yes, if you get lucky you can get it out of a chest. If you want a specific item simply buy it off of the trading post. These are tradable items that you can straight up buy, there isn't any reason to "Gamble" to get them.
Wait... Anet is charging folks real money for chests that have a "chance" at containing a halloween costume? This cannot be so. Seriously? I must have read it wrong.
I could buy a real halloween costume at the store, and have a 100% chance of not only owning the costume itself, but also wear it as well. Crazy, I know.
If people are actually shelling money out for this scam then I hope they don't get anything other then a lighter wallet.
lol you read it wrong
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
So players can buy costumes for money but have a chance to find them in a chest? If thats the case, I don't see the big deal.
The skins in question can be purchased off of the trading post or gotten as a random drop from one of the chests that drop in game with keys that drop in game oO. You can however buy the keys with real life cash if you want to "gamble" instead of simply buying the skins off of the trading post lol.
Yes, because completely optional content in a game is such a terrible idea!
Who cares? If you're dumb enough to gamble in an MMO with real money well, you're dumb enough to gamble in an MMO with real money...
So you're using crappy wow loot mechanics from 2006 to offset this shit anet is pulling today? Most sub based loot systems have evolved past the old wow style, even wow. What anet is doing is straight up f2p style cash grab fleecing.
So what is Trion doing with locking BiS behind long term raid progression in a game where you pay by the month? Pot meet kettle. Oh NIMBY.
How is it locked if the tools are available via in game content at no extra charge to attain? Thats like saying level 80 is locked behind 79 other levels
Man, torval whats goin on with you lately? Youve always been pretty chill. Hope youre doin ok man.