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I really don't understand the bashing against GW2
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I was in the beta as well. I was following these forums and others, and there most certainly was a significant amount of hype around it.
As is always the case, the more grounded, scrutinizing ones who saw the game for what it was, and not what they wanted it to be, were saying it wasn't ready. But for every person saying that, there was at least 2 other fans telling them to "shut up", calling them "trolls" and all the usual canned retorts. Anyone who dared express a negative or critical opinion of the combat system was told they just sucked at playing, weren't smart enough to figure it out, or were "QQ'ing" because they lost in PvP, and so on.
I remember it well.
I think this also points out something the fanbases of every new mmo forget. Until we get to fully test it, we dont know for sure. It's not just Aero, Bully. I remember all the back from the pax demos how people said that raiding wasn't needed because of open world events and that since GW2 didn't have a trinity and movement based combat, raid like difficulty was possible.
Now, i do think the Dragons are epic, but as pointed out a million times, it's mostly zerging. Like i said, hype comes from demos, blogs, videos, players, devs, etc, because we have yet to play the full game.
In this one conversation you have a statement that says GW2 - no raids, a 30 page thread that says GW2 has raids, and then another statement that says "in fact raids"
Which one is it? You see why people may feel like they were mislead? This is not all on you, it's just you were the most prominent giver of GW2 information.
why not read that thread? it explains it all there
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Because the duration of the assault long ago degraded into simple personal dislike and revenge/retaliation cycles.
As demonstrated by both your post, and his.Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
There was hype based on the fact that it was Conan, mostly by those who only saw Tortage or actually didn't play the game at all. I remember the hype words... "boobs", "mature", "adult", "Conan", etc...
Those who played clearly knew what it was all about, and the beta forum trend was definitely "don't release, the game is not ready". But whatever, Funcom ignored that - and they paid the price.
But whatever - selective memory is selective, I guess ;-)
Respect, walk
Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?
- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
Sorry, but I call out nonsense when I read it. I can't just let such crap pass and some people believe it's true.
Partial quoting and transforming what people say it's an all time favorite tactic - used by real world polititians too. And when it's used to stir the pot, both you and me know what it is, right? ;-)
Respect, walk
Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?
- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
OK so what weve learned from this thread is that there are no bad things about GW2 and anyone who is saying anything negative is either payed or are just having "themepark burnout".
And GW2 players who bash other games have all the right to do so.
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
Precisely, that's why people claiming something about the past should have links to sources to back up their claims.
I don't see why it is the responsability of fans of this game to clean up the backyard of fans of other games.
Oh I did. I posted in it a lot too. Here is the third post from the thread.
"I wish you never showed me this so I could have been surprised.
"
There is nothing to explain. Just own it.
There was a lot of twisting and hyping going on. Learn a lesson and move on. I learned my lesson with TSW. I do not believe I twisted any facts about the game leading up to launch, but I hyped the hell out the game, because I was hype as hell... I believe a lot of people read what I wrote and may have been disappointed when my glowing superlatives didn't match up with their expirenece.
I wonder--do those other games get a daily message board invasion?
Surely they can't; one has to pay for access to those boards, yes?
Ah...this site's version of those boards. Insufficient traffic for troll happiness, in most cases.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
guess you haven't read or understood much of anything.. but good to know:)
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
how are meta event bosses like the dragons not open world raid encounters? this was what the point in the videos were and still the point now.. i have done the dragons and they are very much open world raids.. but again you can believe what you want
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Doesn't alter that revenge-posting, as a motive, is not more "pure" than a fanboy/hype post is.
Both sides believe themselves to be the white knights of the scenario.
Without both of them, this cesspit would not exist.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
But thats the point about the game being over hyped tho isnt it? pre-launch the game was herolded as the second comming, and yes consumers do have a right to complain when the product they purchase doesnt function correctly, and gw2 didnt function correctly
A lot of the content was flat out broken and the game has had security issues, saying that people have no right to complain because they knew there was a small chance this could happen is the flimsiest argument ive seen online to date, it doesnt matter if legally anet are in the clear or not, if there are issues with a product the consumer has every right to complain, infact i would say they are obliged to complain so improvements can be made
Arenanet never promised in a legal sense that all content wouldn't be broken and there would not be any security issues. Customers have a right to voice their opinion as long as they follow the rules of the medium they choose to use, but that doesn't mean that they have a moral right to do so. What is morally right is certainly a matter of opinion.
People can blame any person they randomly find on the street for any problem with anything in life, but that doesn't mean I have to find their blaming to be sound.
Sorry, but GW2 players / fans are at home here. Permanent negative spammers are not, as per the forum rules.
If some guy used to go to the bar down the street comes to your bar, starts to say how much the drinks suck, how much better they are down the road at the other bar, how much the people in the bar are idiots from going there, etc..., he will be thrown out. And if he starts to come back every day doing that, he will most likely end in trouble with either one of the customers, or with the bartender, or with the police if he really insists.
Same here. This is the GW2 bar. You can talk about the game, or just say you don't like it (and why) and leave. But (per forum rules), you can NOT come daily, even after saying you stopped playing (or for some even never bought the game), and repeatedly bash the game and its players. There's no white knighting here, we are at home, the negative spammers are NOT (again, as per forum rules, nothing I make up, not my own opinion).
I guess the moderators can't see everything, and are also moderating so many posts that they don't remember every negative post streams made by the same people over and over again. But don't be fooled - the culprits of the cesspit are those who should NOT be here as per forum rules, not the legit players who talk about their game of the moment.
Respect, walk
Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?
- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
My point is that this was not the point of you thread on Aug. 18th "Raiding in GW2 **Videos**" You even went as far to compare "raiding" in GW2 to raiding in WoW. Here is your OP of that thread.
Aero -
"Since this has been such a hot topic just wanted to give an example of a raid sample in GW2. This is not a max level boss this is around level 60 stuff. AGAIN not level 80 stuff here only 50-60 range stuff
Boss fight "The Shatterer"
Guild Wars 2 Raid [HD]
Another video of same fight with better commentary
videos do NOT have proper difficulty scaling they are old demo videos.
personally for me I never was a raider type so being able to jump into massive battles without worring about specific meet up times and hoping you get everyone to show up is a huge plus for me. I enjoyed the open world boss types in Rift and this is a step forward from that so anyways.. enjoy
here's 2 videos showing low level stuff with proper scaling to show difficulty in fights a little better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGbY8s_r6NE#t=5m42s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIvyUUFNiH8
and for comparison a Cata raid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT2epGABRsE in case anyone needed a reminder
another wow raid since the one I posted above wasn't "good" enough http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc0kfS8-KB0"
This thread was misleading and contributed to the hype and the backlash we are talking about here. Don't move the goal post, own it and move one. This is my last post on this topic concerning you.
GW2 is a good game, but I do have a few things against it.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
again read the rest of the thread it's all discussed in there but you can go on and continue your crusade or whatever it is.. and again meta events are open world raids just as they were in older MMOs many years ago
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
That's in the hands of the mods. Of course, 'moderator unfairness' is just one more piece of ammunition, but that's a message board Konstant everywhere.
If side A and side B both set the sanctimony aside for a week or so...ya'll might be able to resume conversations without reliably degrading into the same thread as last week, or the week before.
Whatever. I get pretty damn sanctimonious too, particularly on weekends.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Maybe hyperbole but still close enough to the truth.
or maybe that is just the impression outsiders like me get when reading the posts of people like you. (and the OP)
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd