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Fantastic replies, JC-Smith. Very informative and well stated.
I personally have no reason to doubt that a small dev team can work efficiently and, moreover, passionately on their game. Some of the smaller development companies, like Trion, have shown us bigger is not necessarily better. Though Repop's team may be smaller yet, there is plenty of room for them to surprise and impress MMO fans with how greatly they can overachieve.
Let's start at the beginning shall we?
You are saying that you don't think this game will have decent questing then back up your argument by saying no one wants to quest.
I agree, I don't like questing. The good thing about The Repop is that the game will be have more going for it that "quest to level x, raid through current content, loaf until new content, raid through new content, loaf until new expansion, level through new expansion, raid" lather, rinse, repeat. Personally that content cycle does not hold much appeal for me.
I like where The Repop is going in that I'll be able to go exploring, I'll be able to assist in city building, I'll be able to pvp, I'll be able to craft, I'll be able to sit back and watch a sandstorm blast across a building.
No I don't think I'll trade that for the 'Kill 10 rats' quests. No one should have to. We've killed enough rats and as gamers we should get more from our MMO's. We've put in the play time, we've put in our suggestions, and what do we end up getting in the end? Kill ten rats with bigger shinier weapons and more cleavage! Not going to fly anymore, sorry guys. Cleavage is nice, but we all want more to do in the game.
Now onto point two:
A million monkeys typing may end up writing Shakespeare, but do you know how much crap they'll produce before they get there?
How many huge budget games with huge dev teams have we played? All of us probably have a huge list. Now how many of those games are we still playing?
These games didn't really give players something to do outside of raiding and questing.
Sure you 'could craft' but let's face it, crafting in most MMO's seems to be designed as a gold sink and for the most part does not support game play.
You could go exploring, but usually there's nothing to see but more mobs. You might get an achievement for it. Still not a lot of support or incentive for this type of play style.
You could PvP, in the same battle fields, with the same objectives. Time and time again.
All you really had was questing/raiding. Everything else in the game was designed to support that element of the game. If you're not a quester/raider, these games lose their appeal rapidly.
Once again I direct you to the game FAQ's. The sweet thing about The Repop is that you wear whatever armor you want, then swap out fittings in the armor to boost your stats. There may be a boost or two on the armor it's self, but it's what you apply to the armor that gives you all the benefits.
What does this mean? Well it means that I can wear what I like. This is one level of customization. You add that to whatever even basic facial, size, hair color etc, kinds of combinations you choose to add and you have a greater chance to have a unique character.
As JC already mentioned, there's ample opportunity to make a unique character.
Sadly though, no wings, no pointy ears and no chainmail bikini. I'm also hoping that the game doesn't have a chest slider. Granted it's hilarious seeing a female character bounding around that's 4 feet tall with a triple F chest but is it really necessary?
I am however hoping that tattoo's make it into the game. That would be awesome.
Now I agree that for most games this would be a deal breaker. AI are very important in most games. For the most part players spend more time interacting with AI in most games than they do interacting with each other.
NOW, The Repop will be a little bit different. AI interaction may be necessary for questing, but that's about it. The rest of the game will be focused on different elements.
Harvesting, Crafting, Exploring, City Building, and PvP in city defense or just plain happy PvP. These last elements are going to be mostly player driven. Lifelike AI won't really be required for these elements of game play and in my mind, these are really what will set The Repopulation apart from most games currently on the market.
Personally I am not in Alpha so I cannot give the current state of the AI in game. My question to the poster is whether or not you're talking about Hero Engine AI's or if you're making an assumption on AI's for a game that hasn't been released or detailed.
Just curious about the background to that statement.
PS - I'm agreeing with what JC said (well and everything he said):
"Repop uses an AI template system. We can create custom AI types for different roles, and NPCs have control over which types of those templates to use, ability selection strategies, formation strategies, etc. There are two different player detection mechanisms, and hooks for all the main things that an NPC would do so each can have custom code. At day one of alpha start there were a total of two AI types being used: One for Turrets, and one for Creatures. Both using the most generic rule set possible. There are now multiple types. AI has already been improved in numerous ways since that time. And it's going to improve quite a bit more prior to launch as we have more time to tweak it. It hasn't been a high priority for us at this point, where getting vehicles, entertainers, sieges, dens and pvp were. By the time the game launches, you can expect many improvements."
Every game is going to have bug issues. The games released in the past three years or so with flawless launches have been minimal. From independent developers to deep pocket publishers with huge development teams, most launching MMO's have had problems.
I doubt that The Repopulation will see as many issues because the development team has already stated that the game will be released when it is ready for release. On so many aspects they have already kept their word and even exceeded expectations. I don't see them falling back on that statement either.
The team at The Repopulation also actively listen to the player base and take ideas for the game from the people that are going to play the game. To me, listening to your customers is customer service. They are already setting precedence for having good customer service. As long as they set in place a system that will make that same customer service scale-able I don't see that changing any time soon.
In Closing
These days almost every new game has failed our expectations. What we thought the game was going to be and what it turned out being were almost two separate games. We all feel that pain right now. We're all bored.
We've all been saying that we want a new game. Let's support one.
When devs of the game start telling other that they are trolls or trolling, you know it is not a good sign.. lol!
Perhaps a new forum should be created "Doom-Mongers".
Making your mind up so far in advance of a games actual release is rather petty and short sighted.
Ppl obviously have faith in this game otherwise it would not have raised it's capital to see further development.
As with all MMO's that are in the pipeline it takes an act of faith in buying the game and feeling assured that you've made a wise choice, listening to some random guy spewing prophetic bile is selling yourself short and the developers.
Here's my speculation to balance the thread title.
You know why this game won't be a EPIC fail, because EA isn't involved with this game.
These threads make me laugh. The original poster has made up his/her mind that he/she won't like the game and wants to tell everyone. My suggestion is to just not play it and move on. These types of posts serve no constructive purpose.
I have read and researched The Repopulation quite a bit after running into this game. Enough to pledge and support the game.
Edit: Spelling
I have seen many stupid posts on MMORPG.COM but this and its author really takes the prize!
awesome!!!
I'm in for the ride!
+1 for this game
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Best MMOs ever played: Ultima, EvE, SW Galaxies, Age of Conan, The Secret World
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Minecraft just gets by ... I guess.
To the original poster:
I may take your post serious when you stop trying to form arguments with "herp/derp", "EPIC Fail", and "Terribad".
N3v3rriv3r and qombi, you guys totally beat me in adding Minecraft to the list.
I mean that even has multi-player support and no quests, yet still is addictive as solid cup of Starbucks (I mentioned Starbucks because it's funny and usually breaks no TOS rules).
Anywho, the downside to these kinds of threads is that it tries to make a game that hasn't even launched yet look bad. That's sad.
The upside is that more people are looking into the game because of the press, good or bad.
For folks that are coming onto it and like what they see, WELCOME ABOARD.
For folks that don't think it's their bag, hey, you're welcome to your opinion. Granted, as long as you don't mind if we give counter points to your arguments.
Now...
Back to what I SHOULD be doing, gaming. ^^
Depth of content > a lot of shallow content. There looks like there will be a lot of player driven systems.
Cust. Service, Ok I'll give you this one. As long as there are not hacks, and a overwhelming amount of bugs. CS shouldn't be needed.
The engine is bad? How do you know this. Why would you say this. Hero 2.0 right? As long as it's not single thread like swtor (idiotic), things may be ok. It's far too early to say this. I don't think anyone as seen a thing on Hero 2.0 yet.
This is their initial offering. It's going to have bugs and it's going to need customer service. There are zero MMORPG that release without some sort of customer service issues that need to be addressed.
The upside is that the game doesn't look terribly complex. It seems to be a cookie cutter sandbox game. Plus, the Hero Engine provides a lot of back end stuff that the team will have to spend less time on, so they can spend more time on the game's features. If the game actually works, as it has been advertised, then they should be fine.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Would all this be as opposed to all the MMOs that come out these days with some ridiculous amount of millions of dollars of investment, so many devolopers that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a good dozen of them?
And with all those devs, and that huge workforce, we still get more tokens, more 6v6 pvp, more endless gear treadmill, more linear gameplay of the same ol same ol...
Imagine that, shallow gameplay.
As far as sizable PvP being a massive vaporlock, well, we all know a ton of money, and "some of the most experienced developers in the world" weren't able to curb that from happening, so i guess all hope is lost for any decent MMO ever being made?
I actually have more confidence in an "indie" developer pulling off a good MMO these days than the guys who consider themselves "AAA" developers. Those top notch guys seem to be stuck in some sort of "linear" developing cycle they can't break out of, its somewhat scary.
Not sure if these guys are the answer, but heres to hoping.
That summed up a lot of what I've been thinking. Nice.
Minecraft just gets by ... I guess.
To the original poster:
I may take your post serious when you stop trying to form arguments with "herp/derp", "EPIC Fail", and "Terribad".
Mine craft is a sandbox MMO now? since when?Its easy to say that a new mmo will be an epic fail, couse alomst all mmos after wow were fails. Espacially sandbox games with a small budged.
Well, I say that the chance for this game to last more then one year and make some profit is about 5%.
It can be played on servers in Multi Player mode. That fits the Multi-player bit. The Massively element really depends on the tech of the server. Beefier servers can allow more players on at any one time. Though I'm not sure what the total cap is on the number of players allowable.
Minecraft is probably more like a Mini Multiplayer Online instead of a Massively Multiplayer Online.
From what I understand of the sandbox label it seems to fit pretty well.
The point was that a small team with little budget can make an awesome game. The "MMO" part (where was it mentioned?) is not even relevant.
The Repopulation will not be a EPIC fail since EA has nothing to do with it
So we all now can go back to what we were playing and pretend this thread never existed, apparently the OP is talking out of arse like most negative players on any game. (However he managed to get me to post a reply
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I'm being lenient, but I'm betting the OP is another person who feels burned by a game that he/she was hoping would be better than it turned out to be.
That can sour a person on any new games and sometimes frustrations are taken out of context.
Granted I'm giving a benefit of the doubt.
I am however glad to see that not as many people share the ideas held by the OP. That is something special.
That's a silly myth from people who don't understand probability. A million monkeys typing on a million typewriters for a million years would probably never produce a single correct, meaningful sentence longer than 30 characters.
That's absurd. Listening to your prospective future players is great, but isn't what you're looking for if the game has launched but you can't get it to run on your computer.