Are items so hard to obtain in GW2 that these people need to cheat for an advantage?
I think of GW2 as a pretty laidback experience. I mean the only truly hardcore aspect of GW2 is sPVP and the only item based rewards in that are cosmetics.
Oh well atleast they were banned so the stuff they gained from the exploit is out of the game now.
Well, theoretically, could an exploiter exploit the exploit policy then. For example....
You play for a year and over the course of that year buy a thousand gems to spend on items. When you are done with the game, exploit, get full refund with money back spent on gems.
The thread is full of it until proven otherwise. No one has been refunded that was banned. Provide proof and then we will talk. "Hearing of reports" is not exactly proof of this. This is just one guy photoshopping his paypal account.
People will say or do anything to prove that they were right about getting banned and that they should not have been. Desperation drives people to do silly stuff.
not sure how accurate
but people are claiming they were refunded on this thread
Still very weird practiss and it sets a dangerous rule of thumb.. Find a exploit... Abuse the living shit out of it. Send the proceeds to your main account... exploit account get banned, demand refund and point back to this incident. If you still get a no go to the BBB or similar and file a complaint.
I find your lack of grammar and understanding of the issue disturbing.
Was that the best thing you could come up with... I feel sorry for your family.
But i am sure that you can further explain what part of the issue i missed.?
I didn't really consider this one to be an 'exploit' (you were essentially converting mithrils to Ectos), but ANet thought it was and perma. banned players.
To ANet's credit, they are now issuing a full refund if you were perma. banned.
Interesting and surprising but good on ya, ANet.
That defeats the purpose of the bans ...
Lesson Learned: If you don't like GW2 but it's too late for a refund. Just participate in next major exploit.
I don't think it is a great policy to dissuade from cheating, because it is an actual endorsment of cheating/exploiting:
- if i cheat and i can make away with that -> i have profit
- if i cheat and i got caught i will be refunded -> i have no loss
- if i don't cheat at all -> my profit will be the lower possible
Nice to see game theory is not applied to gaming.
ANet getting better and better :O -> vomit
Not really - your characters stop existing so you lost time, assuming this is true.
Also I made a killing selling mithril and snowflakes to the cheaters.
Ask botters how much they care that they've lost the characters they levelled in 3 days when after the ban they've got all the money back they had before starting, so they can start anew
This shows me how they care to botters more than players, and makes me wonder if are they hiring botters themselves
I don't think it is a great policy to dissuade from cheating, because it is an actual endorsment of cheating/exploiting:
- if i cheat and i can make away with that -> i have profit
- if i cheat and i got caught i will be refunded -> i have no loss
- if i don't cheat at all -> my profit will be the lower possible
Nice to see game theory is not applied to gaming.
ANet getting better and better :O -> vomit
Not really - your characters stop existing so you lost time, assuming this is true.
Also I made a killing selling mithril and snowflakes to the cheaters.
Ask botters how much they care that they've lost the characters they levelled in 3 days when after the ban they've got all the money back they had begfore starting, so they can start anew
The refunds are for the snowflake exploit, not botters.
so actually:
if you get cuaght for the exploit and banned, then you can get refund. Should you buy the game again, then you are left with a lot less than you had prior to the ban.
if you werent banned cause you didnt cheat, then you are now far ahead of those that did.
if you cheated and werent banned, then you simply werent caught this time. No different than a police car picking one out of 5 speeders in the road, the others made it out of luck, however should be careful in the future.
I don't think it is a great policy to dissuade from cheating, because it is an actual endorsment of cheating/exploiting:
- if i cheat and i can make away with that -> i have profit
- if i cheat and i got caught i will be refunded -> i have no loss
- if i don't cheat at all -> my profit will be the lower possible
Nice to see game theory is not applied to gaming.
ANet getting better and better :O -> vomit
Not really - your characters stop existing so you lost time, assuming this is true.
Also I made a killing selling mithril and snowflakes to the cheaters.
Ask botters how much they care that they've lost the characters they levelled in 3 days when after the ban they've got all the money back they had begfore starting, so they can start anew
Name one game that doesn't have bots. You can't because there isn't one.
People will always figure a way around any security if they want to bot.
Originally posted by KhrymsonWell hell, if they're giving out refunds to cheaters, then they need to give me a reefund since I can't get teh damn game to run stable on my PC. Keeps giving me black screen freezes, CTDs and the worst shutting down my MB, forcing me to manually reset it to get my PC to reboot.Broken game, can't play, give me my money back!
Helpful hint: It's not the game that's broken.
Then why do tons of other players report the same issues...its not just my PC!
Because idiocy is part of the human condition?Of course even if 1000 players report that problem and post on the forums 1000/2000000 = 0.05%Clearly seems like a failing component (PSU being the first suspect) or an overclock going unstable
Yeah, of course, my PC and or its components are failing, yet it runs every single other game in existance beautifully except GW2...le sigh Doesn't matter though, planning to stop by my bank today and request a charge back. ANet won't reply to my tech emails, so fuck em....
sorry m8 but even in my 4 year old laptop i can run it minimum settings and low features, but never crashed. On my i5-3rd generation i run it always in 60fps and settings almost high, maybe i got 1 or 2 freezes. Try to reset your machine and if its a own made PC , sometimes RAM its damage and only in a very few circumstances it flaws.
people who got caught botting GOT NO REFUND AT ALL!
Refunds was only for people who bought gems on their store and exploit that season mats, so nothing special about that, and they didn't got their account back, so they lost all those hours invested on the game.
The refunds are for the snowflake exploit, not botters.
so actually:
if you get cuaght for the exploit and banned, then you can get refund. Should you buy the game again, then you are left with a lot less than you had prior to the ban.
if you werent banned cause you didnt cheat, then you are now far ahead of those that did.
if you cheated and werent banned, then you simply werent caught this time. No different than a police car picking one out of 5 speeders in the road, the others made it out of luck, however should be careful in the future.
oh sorry, i was later adding a picture you might have missed in youre quotes
and can u tell me if an exploiter was also a botter or not?
The refunds are for the snowflake exploit, not botters.
so actually:
if you get cuaght for the exploit and banned, then you can get refund. Should you buy the game again, then you are left with a lot less than you had prior to the ban.
if you werent banned cause you didnt cheat, then you are now far ahead of those that did.
if you cheated and werent banned, then you simply werent caught this time. No different than a police car picking one out of 5 speeders in the road, the others made it out of luck, however should be careful in the future.
oh sorry, i was later adding a picture you might have missed in youre quotes
and can u tell me if an exploiter was also a botter or not?
Picture says nothing, just a guy exploiting. He may have got caught, idk. If he did, he has a refund.
It is a botter when they are hacking into the game to accomplish goals, often times done without the user having to be present. If he is talking, he is just an exploiter. What is your point?
The refunds are for the snowflake exploit, not botters.
so actually:
if you get cuaght for the exploit and banned, then you can get refund. Should you buy the game again, then you are left with a lot less than you had prior to the ban.
if you werent banned cause you didnt cheat, then you are now far ahead of those that did.
if you cheated and werent banned, then you simply werent caught this time. No different than a police car picking one out of 5 speeders in the road, the others made it out of luck, however should be careful in the future.
oh sorry, i was later adding a picture you might have missed in youre quotes
and can u tell me if an exploiter was also a botter or not?
Picture says nothing, just a guy exploiting. He may have got caught, idk. If he did, he has a refund.
It is a botter when they are hacking into the game to accomplish goals, often times done without the user having to be present. If he is talking, he is just an exploiter. What is your point?
The refunds are for the snowflake exploit, not botters.
so actually:
if you get cuaght for the exploit and banned, then you can get refund. Should you buy the game again, then you are left with a lot less than you had prior to the ban.
if you werent banned cause you didnt cheat, then you are now far ahead of those that did.
if you cheated and werent banned, then you simply werent caught this time. No different than a police car picking one out of 5 speeders in the road, the others made it out of luck, however should be careful in the future.
oh sorry, i was later adding a picture you might have missed in youre quotes
and can u tell me if an exploiter was also a botter or not?
Picture says nothing, just a guy exploiting. He may have got caught, idk. If he did, he has a refund.
It is a botter when they are hacking into the game to accomplish goals, often times done without the user having to be present. If he is talking, he is just an exploiter. What is your point?
it is not "a guy" it is an ANet empolyee
How do you know he was an A.Net employee? In GW1, there whispers ahd chats were in a different color so you knew they were from A.Net. It does not look like he ia an A.Net employee - if he did say than, then he might be lying to you.
The refunds are for the snowflake exploit, not botters.
so actually:
if you get cuaght for the exploit and banned, then you can get refund. Should you buy the game again, then you are left with a lot less than you had prior to the ban.
if you werent banned cause you didnt cheat, then you are now far ahead of those that did.
if you cheated and werent banned, then you simply werent caught this time. No different than a police car picking one out of 5 speeders in the road, the others made it out of luck, however should be careful in the future.
oh sorry, i was later adding a picture you might have missed in youre quotes
and can u tell me if an exploiter was also a botter or not?
Picture says nothing, just a guy exploiting. He may have got caught, idk. If he did, he has a refund.
It is a botter when they are hacking into the game to accomplish goals, often times done without the user having to be present. If he is talking, he is just an exploiter. What is your point?
it is not "a guy" it is an ANet empolyee
How do you know he was an A.Net employee? In GW1, there whispers ahd chats were in a different color so you knew they were from A.Net. It does not look like he ia an A.Net employee - if he did say than, then he might be lying to you.
He has the Anet symbol by its name.
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
The refunds are for the snowflake exploit, not botters.
so actually:
if you get cuaght for the exploit and banned, then you can get refund. Should you buy the game again, then you are left with a lot less than you had prior to the ban.
if you werent banned cause you didnt cheat, then you are now far ahead of those that did.
if you cheated and werent banned, then you simply werent caught this time. No different than a police car picking one out of 5 speeders in the road, the others made it out of luck, however should be careful in the future.
oh sorry, i was later adding a picture you might have missed in youre quotes
and can u tell me if an exploiter was also a botter or not?
Picture says nothing, just a guy exploiting. He may have got caught, idk. If he did, he has a refund.
It is a botter when they are hacking into the game to accomplish goals, often times done without the user having to be present. If he is talking, he is just an exploiter. What is your point?
it is not "a guy" it is an ANet empolyee
How do you know he was an A.Net employee? In GW1, there whispers ahd chats were in a different color so you knew they were from A.Net. It does not look like he ia an A.Net employee - if he did say than, then he might be lying to you.
The refunds are for the snowflake exploit, not botters.
so actually:
if you get cuaght for the exploit and banned, then you can get refund. Should you buy the game again, then you are left with a lot less than you had prior to the ban.
if you werent banned cause you didnt cheat, then you are now far ahead of those that did.
if you cheated and werent banned, then you simply werent caught this time. No different than a police car picking one out of 5 speeders in the road, the others made it out of luck, however should be careful in the future.
oh sorry, i was later adding a picture you might have missed in youre quotes
and can u tell me if an exploiter was also a botter or not?
Picture says nothing, just a guy exploiting. He may have got caught, idk. If he did, he has a refund.
It is a botter when they are hacking into the game to accomplish goals, often times done without the user having to be present. If he is talking, he is just an exploiter. What is your point?
it is not "a guy" it is an ANet empolyee
How do you know he was an A.Net employee? In GW1, there whispers ahd chats were in a different color so you knew they were from A.Net. It does not look like he ia an A.Net employee - if he did say than, then he might be lying to you.
They gave refunds to the people who bought the game from A.Net only. Anyone who bought through a 3rd party got nothing. From reddit.
"Just a little point. Anet didnt refund everyone with this , they only refunded people who bought the gems from them or bought the game direct from them. So yes if you bought the game from a 3rd party vendor (ie game shop etc) you are just plain flat out of luck. Nice to be discriminated against because of that :P Only reason people got refunds is probably so they couldnt do chargebacks against the payments. Its nothing about anything like admission they was wrong or anything, its about that chargebacks would cause them work etc as they would have to respond to the banks unlike the fact that they dont respond to their customers (except for automated standard messages).
The refunds are for the snowflake exploit, not botters.
so actually:
if you get cuaght for the exploit and banned, then you can get refund. Should you buy the game again, then you are left with a lot less than you had prior to the ban.
if you werent banned cause you didnt cheat, then you are now far ahead of those that did.
if you cheated and werent banned, then you simply werent caught this time. No different than a police car picking one out of 5 speeders in the road, the others made it out of luck, however should be careful in the future.
oh sorry, i was later adding a picture you might have missed in youre quotes
and can u tell me if an exploiter was also a botter or not?
Picture says nothing, just a guy exploiting. He may have got caught, idk. If he did, he has a refund.
It is a botter when they are hacking into the game to accomplish goals, often times done without the user having to be present. If he is talking, he is just an exploiter. What is your point?
it is not "a guy" it is an ANet empolyee
How do you know he was an A.Net employee? In GW1, there whispers ahd chats were in a different color so you knew they were from A.Net. It does not look like he ia an A.Net employee - if he did say than, then he might be lying to you.
He has the Anet symbol by its name.
Still confused as to what your point is... He may ge an employee, that doesnt mean hebcontrols what is considered an exploit :P
I don't think it is a great policy to dissuade from cheating, because it is an actual endorsment of cheating/exploiting:
- if i cheat and i can make away with that -> i have profit
- if i cheat and i got caught i will be refunded -> i have no loss
- if i don't cheat at all -> my profit will be the lower possible
Nice to see game theory is not applied to gaming.
ANet getting better and better :O -> vomit
Not really - your characters stop existing so you lost time, assuming this is true.
Also I made a killing selling mithril and snowflakes to the cheaters.
Ask botters how much they care that they've lost the characters they levelled in 3 days when after the ban they've got all the money back they had begfore starting, so they can start anew
Name one game that doesn't have bots. You can't because there isn't one.
People will always figure a way around any security if they want to bot.
TSW does not have bots. There is no point to them in TSW. There are no resource nodes to exploit. To get cash and gear you have to play and complete missions or actively craft your own gear. Except for high-end Elite and NIghtmare dungeons, you can manufacture any gear you may need. Now that I think of it, there are also no gold farmers (that I have seen) and I have heard no one complain of bots. IN TSW, there is simply nothing for bots to do.
Hedonismbot: Your latest performance was as delectable as dipping my bottom over and over into a bath of the silkiest oils and creams.
I don't think it is a great policy to dissuade from cheating, because it is an actual endorsment of cheating/exploiting:
- if i cheat and i can make away with that -> i have profit
- if i cheat and i got caught i will be refunded -> i have no loss
- if i don't cheat at all -> my profit will be the lower possible
Nice to see game theory is not applied to gaming.
ANet getting better and better :O -> vomit
Not really - your characters stop existing so you lost time, assuming this is true.
Also I made a killing selling mithril and snowflakes to the cheaters.
Ask botters how much they care that they've lost the characters they levelled in 3 days when after the ban they've got all the money back they had begfore starting, so they can start anew
Name one game that doesn't have bots. You can't because there isn't one.
People will always figure a way around any security if they want to bot.
TSW does not have bots. There is no point to them in TSW. There are no resource nodes to exploit. To get cash and gear you have to play and complete missions or actively craft your own gear. Except for high-end Elite and NIghtmare dungeons, you can manufacture any gear you may need. Now that I think of it, there are also no gold farmers (that I have seen) and I have heard no one complain of bots. IN TSW, there is simply nothing for bots to do.
And maybe becuase it isnt worth it as well :P not as many play tsw as say gw2, runescape and wow.
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So many exploiters in this game...
Are items so hard to obtain in GW2 that these people need to cheat for an advantage?
I think of GW2 as a pretty laidback experience. I mean the only truly hardcore aspect of GW2 is sPVP and the only item based rewards in that are cosmetics.
Oh well atleast they were banned so the stuff they gained from the exploit is out of the game now.
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
Well, theoretically, could an exploiter exploit the exploit policy then. For example....
You play for a year and over the course of that year buy a thousand gems to spend on items. When you are done with the game, exploit, get full refund with money back spent on gems.
Hmmmm
not sure how accurate
but people are claiming they were refunded on this thread
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/167irk/post_snowflake_ban_full_refund/
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ROFL! My Quote of the Day.
So ...
IF
you cheated willingly
AND
used your money for it
THEN
you are gonna have your money back ???
I don't think it is a great policy to dissuade from cheating, because it is an actual endorsment of cheating/exploiting:
- if i cheat and i can make away with that -> i have profit
- if i cheat and i got caught i will be refunded -> i have no loss
- if i don't cheat at all -> my profit will be the lower possible
Nice to see game theory is not applied to gaming.
ANet getting better and better :O -> vomit
Was that the best thing you could come up with... I feel sorry for your family.
But i am sure that you can further explain what part of the issue i missed.?
This have been a good conversation
Not really - your characters stop existing so you lost time, assuming this is true.
Also I made a killing selling mithril and snowflakes to the cheaters.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
That defeats the purpose of the bans ...
Lesson Learned: If you don't like GW2 but it's too late for a refund. Just participate in next major exploit.
Lets see:
Anet is this evil corporation that built a pay to win game and a money grab cash shop.
They don't care about their players cause they already got the player money so they don't need to fix the game, they can ban players, etc.
Then:
Anet refund players.
Anet is silly, it defeats the purposes of bans, etc.
Cheating to make money to have the account deleted also defeats the purpose of cheating.
If these players return to the game and spend the money back, Anet didn't lose anything either.
If not they got rid of a cheater losign money.
So for an evil money grabbing company, Anet seems to not to be too attached to money.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
Ask botters how much they care that they've lost the characters they levelled in 3 days when after the ban they've got all the money back they had before starting, so they can start anew
This shows me how they care to botters more than players, and makes me wonder if are they hiring botters themselves
Oh, btw look at this, you'll get a laugh
The refunds are for the snowflake exploit, not botters.
so actually:
if you get cuaght for the exploit and banned, then you can get refund. Should you buy the game again, then you are left with a lot less than you had prior to the ban.
if you werent banned cause you didnt cheat, then you are now far ahead of those that did.
if you cheated and werent banned, then you simply werent caught this time. No different than a police car picking one out of 5 speeders in the road, the others made it out of luck, however should be careful in the future.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innovation
Name one game that doesn't have bots. You can't because there isn't one.
People will always figure a way around any security if they want to bot.
people who got caught botting GOT NO REFUND AT ALL!
Refunds was only for people who bought gems on their store and exploit that season mats, so nothing special about that, and they didn't got their account back, so they lost all those hours invested on the game.
oh sorry, i was later adding a picture you might have missed in youre quotes
and can u tell me if an exploiter was also a botter or not?
Picture says nothing, just a guy exploiting. He may have got caught, idk. If he did, he has a refund.
It is a botter when they are hacking into the game to accomplish goals, often times done without the user having to be present. If he is talking, he is just an exploiter. What is your point?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innovation
it is not "a guy" it is an ANet empolyee
How do you know he was an A.Net employee? In GW1, there whispers ahd chats were in a different color so you knew they were from A.Net. It does not look like he ia an A.Net employee - if he did say than, then he might be lying to you.
He has the Anet symbol by its name.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Willful_ignorance
They gave refunds to the people who bought the game from A.Net only. Anyone who bought through a 3rd party got nothing. From reddit.
"Just a little point. Anet didnt refund everyone with this , they only refunded people who bought the gems from them or bought the game direct from them. So yes if you bought the game from a 3rd party vendor (ie game shop etc) you are just plain flat out of luck. Nice to be discriminated against because of that :P Only reason people got refunds is probably so they couldnt do chargebacks against the payments. Its nothing about anything like admission they was wrong or anything, its about that chargebacks would cause them work etc as they would have to respond to the banks unlike the fact that they dont respond to their customers (except for automated standard messages).
Edited for spelling"
Still confused as to what your point is... He may ge an employee, that doesnt mean hebcontrols what is considered an exploit :P
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innovation
TSW does not have bots. There is no point to them in TSW. There are no resource nodes to exploit. To get cash and gear you have to play and complete missions or actively craft your own gear. Except for high-end Elite and NIghtmare dungeons, you can manufacture any gear you may need. Now that I think of it, there are also no gold farmers (that I have seen) and I have heard no one complain of bots. IN TSW, there is simply nothing for bots to do.
Hedonismbot: Your latest performance was as delectable as dipping my bottom over and over into a bath of the silkiest oils and creams.
this only happens inside your head. Reality is different.
And maybe becuase it isnt worth it as well :P not as many play tsw as say gw2, runescape and wow.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innovation