A donation is the act of giving a Gift. A gift is somthing given without the expectation of receiving anything in return. You can keep saying its a donation, but you are still so very wrong. Try reading a dictionary.
Real world is a bit more complex than that...
Much more when you include some nations tax write offs based on the amount you donate!
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
...and make all sort of events - concerts, gala dinners, auctions, etc.
KS is by all means donation. Period.
A donation is the act of giving a Gift. A gift is somthing given without the expectation of receiving anything in return. You can keep saying its a donation, but you are still so very wrong. Try reading a dictionary.
If you give to a kickstarter you clearly are expecting something in return, that is your whole motivation. The person receiving it is pledging to give you something in return.
From the kickstarter web site:
"Kickstarter cannot be used to offer financial returns or equity, or to solicit loans."
So it is clearly not an investment, if you find the word donation to have some other connotation then perhaps you will be happy with Gift. I suspect from your user name some religous agenda here. Donation is not the sole preserve of the religous nor do religous people give to religous charities entirely without expectation of gain, even if that gain is only to be granted in some mythical afterlife.
You think EVE hasn't struggled financially? You think it was an instant success? Do you know how close they came to losing everything the first year? It's a very hardware intensive game. You can put away that strawman. If every other MMO ever made lost money it wouldn't make EVE anything more than a modest success.
Being the second largest subscription based MMO, that is continually growing, is not a modest success.
LOL.
CCP has had incredible success with EVE. I find it hard to believe that anyone who frequents a site like this would genuinely believe otherwise.
3rd most successful western MMORPG in history
Which makes it what 97th worldwide? The only Western MMO that even begins to rival the Asian ones is WoW because it competes in their market. Or does the rest of the world not count? EVE online has launched in Japan and there were already substantial percentage of Asian players. EVE is a Modest Success.
While it is interesting to observe the Eastern market, the gaming culture (amount of people that game and for how many hours per month) is so vastly different that it becomes an irrelevant comparison. Also, this is a US based (North American-Western) website.
Still though, it is fun to observe.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
You think EVE hasn't struggled financially? You think it was an instant success? Do you know how close they came to losing everything the first year? It's a very hardware intensive game. You can put away that strawman. If every other MMO ever made lost money it wouldn't make EVE anything more than a modest success.
Being the second largest subscription based MMO, that is continually growing, is not a modest success.
LOL.
CCP has had incredible success with EVE. I find it hard to believe that anyone who frequents a site like this would genuinely believe otherwise.
3rd most successful western MMORPG in history
Which makes it what 97th worldwide? The only Western MMO that even begins to rival the Asian ones is WoW because it competes in their market. Or does the rest of the world not count? EVE online has launched in Japan and there were already substantial percentage of Asian players. EVE is a Modest Success.
This is a site that caters mostly to the western market. And due to the fact that west vs east is such a drastically different demographic its really not a relevant comparison. The east loves pay 2 win games. The west doesnt. We dont settle for awful games like Perfect world, which was making 300 million per year.
So stick to apples to apples. EvE is a huge success.
...and make all sort of events - concerts, gala dinners, auctions, etc.
KS is by all means donation. Period.
A donation is the act of giving a Gift. A gift is somthing given without the expectation of receiving anything in return. You can keep saying its a donation, but you are still so very wrong. Try reading a dictionary.
If you give to a kickstarter you clearly are expecting something in return, that is your whole motivation. The person receiving it is pledging to give you something in return.
From the kickstarter web site:
"Kickstarter cannot be used to offer financial returns or equity, or to solicit loans."
So it is clearly not an investment, if you find the word donation to have some other connotation then perhaps you will be happy with Gift. I suspect from your user name some religous agenda here. Donation is not the sole preserve of the religous nor do religous people give to religous charities entirely without expectation of gain, even if that gain is only to be granted in some mythical afterlife.
It's not a donation. It's not a gift. A gift or donation means you expect nothing in return. When you fund a kickstarter you do expect something in return. You give them money and you get something back. Not financial not equity I never said you get money back, you get something non-monetary that you want.
Investing is clearly the most appropriate term to describe the arrangement offered by KS.
<span vk_dgy"="">Invest
Verb
Expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or...: "getting workers to invest in private pension funds"; "the company is to invest $12 million in its new manufacturing site"
Devote (one's time, effort, or energy) to a particular undertaking with the expectation of a worthwhile result.
You give money to a KS with the expectation of achieving a material result, a book, game, art print, beard wax, etc.
P.S. My user name doesn't have anyting to do with my religious beliefs , I'm an atheist
You think EVE hasn't struggled financially? You think it was an instant success? Do you know how close they came to losing everything the first year? It's a very hardware intensive game. You can put away that strawman. If every other MMO ever made lost money it wouldn't make EVE anything more than a modest success.
Being the second largest subscription based MMO, that is continually growing, is not a modest success.
LOL.
CCP has had incredible success with EVE. I find it hard to believe that anyone who frequents a site like this would genuinely believe otherwise.
3rd most successful western MMORPG in history
Which makes it what 97th worldwide? The only Western MMO that even begins to rival the Asian ones is WoW because it competes in their market. Or does the rest of the world not count? EVE online has launched in Japan and there were already substantial percentage of Asian players. EVE is a Modest Success.
While it is interesting to observe the Eastern market, the gaming culture (amount of people that game and for how many hours per month) is so vastly different that it becomes an irrelevant comparison. Also, this is a US based (North American-Western) website.
Still though, it is fun to observe.
When I think asian mmo game, I think piss poor quality. That's pretty much been my experience every time I've tried to give those games a shot. It's to the point that I completely ignore it if it came out of a Korean company or one of those other asian companies. I'm definitely not being racist, I just think they have a completely different audience to appeal to than the west. There's nothing that bugs me more than bad English grammar in quests. Their pvp has never been that great, either.
And it's hilarious how the female charactes in a typical asian game are always in the skimpiest outfits you can imagine. I have nothing against that as a guy, but their priorities seem a little skewed when it comes to the appeal of the game overall.
You think EVE hasn't struggled financially? You think it was an instant success? Do you know how close they came to losing everything the first year? It's a very hardware intensive game. You can put away that strawman. If every other MMO ever made lost money it wouldn't make EVE anything more than a modest success.
Being the second largest subscription based MMO, that is continually growing, is not a modest success.
LOL.
CCP has had incredible success with EVE. I find it hard to believe that anyone who frequents a site like this would genuinely believe otherwise.
3rd most successful western MMORPG in history
Which makes it what 97th worldwide? The only Western MMO that even begins to rival the Asian ones is WoW because it competes in their market. Or does the rest of the world not count? EVE online has launched in Japan and there were already substantial percentage of Asian players. EVE is a Modest Success.
This is a site that caters mostly to the western market. And due to the fact that west vs east is such a drastically different demographic its really not a relevant comparison. The east loves pay 2 win games. The west doesnt. We dont settle for awful games like Perfect world, which was making 300 million per year.
So stick to apples to apples. EvE is a huge success.
I love how people make a statement, are shown the statement is FALSE and then try to make up crap to try to keep it relevant.
This site being mostly for western gamers has nothing to do with the success or lack of for a game and seeing as how World of Warcraft, the actual biggest game in HISTORY has MORE gamers in Asia than outside of it...the rest of your prattle is just that...
I would also love to throw in just how many western made MMOs over the last 5 years have been total GARBARGE thus negating even more of your prattling about awful games.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
I love how people make a statement, are shown the statement is FALSE and then try to make up crap to try to keep it relevant.
This site being mostly for western gamers has nothing to do with the success or lack of for a game and seeing as how World of Warcraft, the actual biggest game in HISTORY has MORE gamers in Asia than outside of it...the rest of your prattle is just that...
I would also love to throw in just how many western made MMOs over the last 5 years have been total GARBARGE thus negating even more of your prattling about awful games.
Out of curiosity do you think that has more to do with the audience, the games or the process that goes into makeing games?
The funny thing about all this bs, is the fact it is not on kickstarter yet, and will not be until next month. I don't understand all the hate and its not even on kickstarter yet.
You think EVE hasn't struggled financially? You think it was an instant success? Do you know how close they came to losing everything the first year? It's a very hardware intensive game. You can put away that strawman. If every other MMO ever made lost money it wouldn't make EVE anything more than a modest success.
Being the second largest subscription based MMO, that is continually growing, is not a modest success.
LOL.
CCP has had incredible success with EVE. I find it hard to believe that anyone who frequents a site like this would genuinely believe otherwise.
3rd most successful western MMORPG in history
Which makes it what 97th worldwide? The only Western MMO that even begins to rival the Asian ones is WoW because it competes in their market. Or does the rest of the world not count? EVE online has launched in Japan and there were already substantial percentage of Asian players. EVE is a Modest Success.
This is a site that caters mostly to the western market. And due to the fact that west vs east is such a drastically different demographic its really not a relevant comparison. The east loves pay 2 win games. The west doesnt. We dont settle for awful games like Perfect world, which was making 300 million per year.
So stick to apples to apples. EvE is a huge success.
I love how people make a statement, are shown the statement is FALSE and then try to make up crap to try to keep it relevant.
This site being mostly for western gamers has nothing to do with the success or lack of for a game and seeing as how World of Warcraft, the actual biggest game in HISTORY has MORE gamers in Asia than outside of it...the rest of your prattle is just that...
I would also love to throw in just how many western made MMOs over the last 5 years have been total GARBARGE thus negating even more of your prattling about awful games.
Well we havent exactly been accepting of that "GARBARGE", have we?
And the lineage series was a huge success in the east. So was AION. And none of those could crack 100k subs in the west. Final Fantasy XI is the only eastern game to have moderate success in the west.
I love how people make a statement, are shown the statement is FALSE and then try to make up crap to try to keep it relevant.
This site being mostly for western gamers has nothing to do with the success or lack of for a game and seeing as how World of Warcraft, the actual biggest game in HISTORY has MORE gamers in Asia than outside of it...the rest of your prattle is just that...
I would also love to throw in just how many western made MMOs over the last 5 years have been total GARBARGE thus negating even more of your prattling about awful games.
Out of curiosity do you think that has more to do with the audience, the games or the process that goes into makeing games?
Be more specific please, I made more than a few statements there XD
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
I love how people make a statement, are shown the statement is FALSE and then try to make up crap to try to keep it relevant.
This site being mostly for western gamers has nothing to do with the success or lack of for a game and seeing as how World of Warcraft, the actual biggest game in HISTORY has MORE gamers in Asia than outside of it...the rest of your prattle is just that...
I would also love to throw in just how many western made MMOs over the last 5 years have been total GARBARGE thus negating even more of your prattling about awful games.
Well we havent exactly been accepting of that "GARBARGE", have we?
And the lineage series was a huge success in the east. So was AION. And none of those could crack 100k subs in the west. Final Fantasy XI is the only eastern game to have moderate success in the west.
Umm....SWTOR did sell 2 million copies didnt it? Tera sold well, oh wait...thats a Asian game that has a ton of players in the west...
So lets see. You named some Asian games that didnt do well here and one that did OK. So, allow me if I may ask you why it is you believe PW is doing so bad yet they have spent how many millions opening offices in the US and Europe, bringing in developers...into a market they arent making a dent in? lol...anyway, last time I checked ArchAge was listed right at the top of the most wanted MMO to come out list and has been for a long time with tons of people drooling over Black Desert right here on this WESTERN OMG ASIAN GAMES SUCK site.
BTW Lineage didnt do well in the west only because it was FFA PvP which never does well, even when made by western companies.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
I love how people make a statement, are shown the statement is FALSE and then try to make up crap to try to keep it relevant.
This site being mostly for western gamers has nothing to do with the success or lack of for a game and seeing as how World of Warcraft, the actual biggest game in HISTORY has MORE gamers in Asia than outside of it...the rest of your prattle is just that...
I would also love to throw in just how many western made MMOs over the last 5 years have been total GARBARGE thus negating even more of your prattling about awful games.
Well we havent exactly been accepting of that "GARBARGE", have we?
And the lineage series was a huge success in the east. So was AION. And none of those could crack 100k subs in the west. Final Fantasy XI is the only eastern game to have moderate success in the west.
Umm....SWTOR did sell 2 million copies didnt it? Tera sold well, oh wait...thats a Asian game that has a ton of players in the west...
So lets see. You named some Asian games that didnt do well here and one that did OK. So, allow me if I may ask you why it is you believe PW is doing so bad yet they have spent how many millions opening offices in the US and Europe, bringing in developers...into a market they arent making a dent in? lol...anyway, last time I checked ArchAge was listed right at the top of the most wanted MMO to come out list and has been for a long time with tons of people drooling over Black Desert right here on this WESTERN OMG ASIAN GAMES SUCK site.
BTW Lineage didnt do well in the west only because it was FFA PvP which never does well, even when made by western companies.
I am not sure why people are even arguing with you on this.
After all there have always been individual asian developers in publishers like Blizzard and SOE. Having more companies developing games within the MMORPG space has to be a good thing. Having access to other pools of finance for developing games is also a good thing. As to adaption to the "Western Marketplace", they will get better at it with time after all fitting a product to a marketplace is a way of increasing sales and they will want to do that.
I love how people make a statement, are shown the statement is FALSE and then try to make up crap to try to keep it relevant.
This site being mostly for western gamers has nothing to do with the success or lack of for a game and seeing as how World of Warcraft, the actual biggest game in HISTORY has MORE gamers in Asia than outside of it...the rest of your prattle is just that...
I would also love to throw in just how many western made MMOs over the last 5 years have been total GARBARGE thus negating even more of your prattling about awful games.
Well we havent exactly been accepting of that "GARBARGE", have we?
And the lineage series was a huge success in the east. So was AION. And none of those could crack 100k subs in the west. Final Fantasy XI is the only eastern game to have moderate success in the west.
Umm....SWTOR did sell 2 million copies didnt it? Tera sold well, oh wait...thats a Asian game that has a ton of players in the west...
So lets see. You named some Asian games that didnt do well here and one that did OK. So, allow me if I may ask you why it is you believe PW is doing so bad yet they have spent how many millions opening offices in the US and Europe, bringing in developers...into a market they arent making a dent in? lol...anyway, last time I checked ArchAge was listed right at the top of the most wanted MMO to come out list and has been for a long time with tons of people drooling over Black Desert right here on this WESTERN OMG ASIAN GAMES SUCK site.
BTW Lineage didnt do well in the west only because it was FFA PvP which never does well, even when made by western companies.
TERA sold well? So maintainning over 350k subs is only a moderate success but failing to sell 200k copies in today's market is "selling well?"
Originally posted by Mortemia The thing is... When you have a homepage from the 90s, it makes me wonder what kind of games you are doing. Just some healthy skeptism.
wow really...yeah worthy point guy. because big ol fancy 2013 technology websites equals a great game. You must be the guy that buys all products with fancy packaging.
Asian games vs western is a silly debate. Just like if you prefer a cheeseburger over sushi.
A korean game is in my top 3 MMORPGs of all time
1. Everquest 2. DAOC 3. Aion
The argument started as mr anonymous saying that EvE was only a minor success because MMORPGs make a killing in the east.
And the main point of the argument is that its stupid to compare because the demographics are so different. pay to win works there, and doesnt here. Thats a rather large difference that cant be ignored, neither can the cultural differences.
Im sure the top 10 games from the 35+ demographic (which is a huge demogrpahic in the west) are all western games. However people over the age of 30 generally dont play MMOs in the east.
Originally posted by Mortemia The thing is... When you have a homepage from the 90s, it makes me wonder what kind of games you are doing. Just some healthy skeptism.
wow really...yeah worthy point guy. because big ol fancy 2013 technology websites equals a great game. You must be the guy that buys all products with fancy packaging.
The "modern" fancy pages usually annoy me. Sometimes, you just want to GET AT THE INFORMATION without all the overkill multimedia crap (intended to pretty it up) getting in the way.
I love how people make a statement, are shown the statement is FALSE and then try to make up crap to try to keep it relevant.
This site being mostly for western gamers has nothing to do with the success or lack of for a game and seeing as how World of Warcraft, the actual biggest game in HISTORY has MORE gamers in Asia than outside of it...the rest of your prattle is just that...
I would also love to throw in just how many western made MMOs over the last 5 years have been total GARBARGE thus negating even more of your prattling about awful games.
Out of curiosity do you think that has more to do with the audience, the games or the process that goes into makeing games?
Be more specific please, I made more than a few statements there XD
Sorry, I guess I was refering mostly to MMO's being more popular in Asia than in western countries. Do you think that is becasue of the audience, the games or the way games are developed and marketed?
Umm....SWTOR did sell 2 million copies didnt it? Tera sold well, oh wait...thats a Asian game that has a ton of players in the west...
So lets see. You named some Asian games that didnt do well here and one that did OK. So, allow me if I may ask you why it is you believe PW is doing so bad yet they have spent how many millions opening offices in the US and Europe, bringing in developers...into a market they arent making a dent in? lol...anyway, last time I checked ArchAge was listed right at the top of the most wanted MMO to come out list and has been for a long time with tons of people drooling over Black Desert right here on this WESTERN OMG ASIAN GAMES SUCK site.
BTW Lineage didnt do well in the west only because it was FFA PvP which never does well, even when made by western companies.
TERA sold well? So maintainning over 350k subs is only a moderate success but failing to sell 200k copies in today's market is "selling well?"
Until you factor in worldwide sales...Tera sold over 200k in Asia a full year before being released in the west. 500k worldwide total buddy (AND AS MY POST HISTORY SHOWS CLEARLY I HATE THAT DAMN GAME!)...and THAT is why some of you are trying so hard to make the Asian market seperate from the Western market, because if you count it all, your argument fails. EvE was popular in the west, it didnt translate to Asia and the fact some Asian games are doing well in both markets piss you off for some unknown crazy reason.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Asian games vs western is a silly debate. Just like if you prefer a cheeseburger over sushi.
A korean game is in my top 3 MMORPGs of all time
1. Everquest 2. DAOC 3. Aion
The argument started as mr anonymous saying that EvE was only a minor success because MMORPGs make a killing in the east.
And the main point of the argument is that its stupid to compare because the demographics are so different. pay to win works there, and doesnt here. Thats a rather large difference that cant be ignored, neither can the cultural differences.
Im sure the top 10 games from the 35+ demographic (which is a huge demogrpahic in the west) are all western games. However people over the age of 30 generally dont play MMOs in the east.
Well if you think about it in a certain way Everquest and all the other games published by SOE are published by a Japanese Company (Sony the parent) so does that make them Western or Asian?
As to the 35+ demographic (of which I am a part) on what basis do you say it is huge? Please do not quote that general gaming suvey that only broke down gamers by age for the whole categorey of games and not specificaly MMORPG players.
Originally posted by Mortemia The thing is... When you have a homepage from the 90s, it makes me wonder what kind of games you are doing. Just some healthy skeptism.
wow really...yeah worthy point guy. because big ol fancy 2013 technology websites equals a great game. You must be the guy that buys all products with fancy packaging.
Well, I'd just call it basic understanding of marketing. If you ask money from people, why not try to make yourself seem more credible since it is 2013 afterall. Webpage is probably the easiest thing to do and the 1st choice of information for everyone interested about the game and company.
But then again, you obviously don't understand it because you're too busy on getting all butthurt and defensive about shit you don't even own.
Originally posted by Mortemia The thing is... When you have a homepage from the 90s, it makes me wonder what kind of games you are doing. Just some healthy skeptism.
wow really...yeah worthy point guy. because big ol fancy 2013 technology websites equals a great game. You must be the guy that buys all products with fancy packaging.
I'm not saying its a red flag or anything but I do agree with him the site seems pretty 1998. I am the guy who sometimes buys stuff based on packaging (not fancy just well designed), but I'm a designer so I'm a nerd about that stuff. I also buy a lot of great stuff in crap packaging too, so I think it balances out.
But packaging is important, it shows you care, you can't get away from that. Then again I know that sometimes work gets in the way of maintaining your web-brand
I love how people make a statement, are shown the statement is FALSE and then try to make up crap to try to keep it relevant.
This site being mostly for western gamers has nothing to do with the success or lack of for a game and seeing as how World of Warcraft, the actual biggest game in HISTORY has MORE gamers in Asia than outside of it...the rest of your prattle is just that...
I would also love to throw in just how many western made MMOs over the last 5 years have been total GARBARGE thus negating even more of your prattling about awful games.
Out of curiosity do you think that has more to do with the audience, the games or the process that goes into makeing games?
Be more specific please, I made more than a few statements there XD
Sorry, I guess I was refering mostly to MMO's being more popular in Asia than in western countries. Do you think that is becasue of the audience, the games or the way games are developed and marketed?
NP, there are many reasons.
1. population. A vastly larger population produces a larger game audience that can become consumers.
2. South Korea is a gaming nation, estimated that around 70% of them play video games so its normal that a shit ton and a half are going to be made there. They have video game channels...and im not talking G4...their video game contests are near national passtime levels with winners becoming celebrities and the best players making over a million a year.
3. Game developing is important in all places. If you dont make a game to suit the market, you fail. In America for example, with it being a melting pot, the market is very very diverse, one player will have no issues with cute characters, others want realism and HATE cute, some want ugly but couldnt care either way so it can be extremely hard to make a game to target a large portion of the consumer base...in Asia, ugly player character games rarely do well unless they offer some beautiful ones as well, and the ugly ones dont get played. FFA PvP is VERY important to most asian players and they really could care less about themepark or sandbox as long as the armor and weapons look great and pack a punch.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
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Much more when you include some nations tax write offs based on the amount you donate!
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
From the kickstarter web site:
"Kickstarter cannot be used to offer financial returns or equity, or to solicit loans."
So it is clearly not an investment, if you find the word donation to have some other connotation then perhaps you will be happy with Gift. I suspect from your user name some religous agenda here. Donation is not the sole preserve of the religous nor do religous people give to religous charities entirely without expectation of gain, even if that gain is only to be granted in some mythical afterlife.
While it is interesting to observe the Eastern market, the gaming culture (amount of people that game and for how many hours per month) is so vastly different that it becomes an irrelevant comparison. Also, this is a US based (North American-Western) website.
Still though, it is fun to observe.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
This is a site that caters mostly to the western market. And due to the fact that west vs east is such a drastically different demographic its really not a relevant comparison. The east loves pay 2 win games. The west doesnt. We dont settle for awful games like Perfect world, which was making 300 million per year.
So stick to apples to apples. EvE is a huge success.
It's not a donation. It's not a gift. A gift or donation means you expect nothing in return. When you fund a kickstarter you do expect something in return. You give them money and you get something back. Not financial not equity I never said you get money back, you get something non-monetary that you want.
Investing is clearly the most appropriate term to describe the arrangement offered by KS.
<span vk_dgy"="">Invest
Verb
P.S. My user name doesn't have anyting to do with my religious beliefs , I'm an atheist
When I think asian mmo game, I think piss poor quality. That's pretty much been my experience every time I've tried to give those games a shot. It's to the point that I completely ignore it if it came out of a Korean company or one of those other asian companies. I'm definitely not being racist, I just think they have a completely different audience to appeal to than the west. There's nothing that bugs me more than bad English grammar in quests. Their pvp has never been that great, either.
And it's hilarious how the female charactes in a typical asian game are always in the skimpiest outfits you can imagine. I have nothing against that as a guy, but their priorities seem a little skewed when it comes to the appeal of the game overall.
I love how people make a statement, are shown the statement is FALSE and then try to make up crap to try to keep it relevant.
This site being mostly for western gamers has nothing to do with the success or lack of for a game and seeing as how World of Warcraft, the actual biggest game in HISTORY has MORE gamers in Asia than outside of it...the rest of your prattle is just that...
I would also love to throw in just how many western made MMOs over the last 5 years have been total GARBARGE thus negating even more of your prattling about awful games.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Out of curiosity do you think that has more to do with the audience, the games or the process that goes into makeing games?
Well we havent exactly been accepting of that "GARBARGE", have we?
And the lineage series was a huge success in the east. So was AION. And none of those could crack 100k subs in the west. Final Fantasy XI is the only eastern game to have moderate success in the west.
Be more specific please, I made more than a few statements there XD
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Umm....SWTOR did sell 2 million copies didnt it? Tera sold well, oh wait...thats a Asian game that has a ton of players in the west...
So lets see. You named some Asian games that didnt do well here and one that did OK. So, allow me if I may ask you why it is you believe PW is doing so bad yet they have spent how many millions opening offices in the US and Europe, bringing in developers...into a market they arent making a dent in? lol...anyway, last time I checked ArchAge was listed right at the top of the most wanted MMO to come out list and has been for a long time with tons of people drooling over Black Desert right here on this WESTERN OMG ASIAN GAMES SUCK site.
BTW Lineage didnt do well in the west only because it was FFA PvP which never does well, even when made by western companies.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
I am not sure why people are even arguing with you on this.
After all there have always been individual asian developers in publishers like Blizzard and SOE. Having more companies developing games within the MMORPG space has to be a good thing. Having access to other pools of finance for developing games is also a good thing. As to adaption to the "Western Marketplace", they will get better at it with time after all fitting a product to a marketplace is a way of increasing sales and they will want to do that.
Asian games vs western is a silly debate. Just like if you prefer a cheeseburger over sushi.
A korean game is in my top 3 MMORPGs of all time
1. Everquest 2. DAOC 3. Aion
TERA sold well? So maintainning over 350k subs is only a moderate success but failing to sell 200k copies in today's market is "selling well?"
wow really...yeah worthy point guy. because big ol fancy 2013 technology websites equals a great game. You must be the guy that buys all products with fancy packaging.
The argument started as mr anonymous saying that EvE was only a minor success because MMORPGs make a killing in the east.
And the main point of the argument is that its stupid to compare because the demographics are so different. pay to win works there, and doesnt here. Thats a rather large difference that cant be ignored, neither can the cultural differences.
Im sure the top 10 games from the 35+ demographic (which is a huge demogrpahic in the west) are all western games. However people over the age of 30 generally dont play MMOs in the east.
The "modern" fancy pages usually annoy me. Sometimes, you just want to GET AT THE INFORMATION without all the overkill multimedia crap (intended to pretty it up) getting in the way.
Sorry, I guess I was refering mostly to MMO's being more popular in Asia than in western countries. Do you think that is becasue of the audience, the games or the way games are developed and marketed?
Until you factor in worldwide sales...Tera sold over 200k in Asia a full year before being released in the west. 500k worldwide total buddy (AND AS MY POST HISTORY SHOWS CLEARLY I HATE THAT DAMN GAME!)...and THAT is why some of you are trying so hard to make the Asian market seperate from the Western market, because if you count it all, your argument fails. EvE was popular in the west, it didnt translate to Asia and the fact some Asian games are doing well in both markets piss you off for some unknown crazy reason.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Well if you think about it in a certain way Everquest and all the other games published by SOE are published by a Japanese Company (Sony the parent) so does that make them Western or Asian?
As to the 35+ demographic (of which I am a part) on what basis do you say it is huge? Please do not quote that general gaming suvey that only broke down gamers by age for the whole categorey of games and not specificaly MMORPG players.
Well, I'd just call it basic understanding of marketing. If you ask money from people, why not try to make yourself seem more credible since it is 2013 afterall. Webpage is probably the easiest thing to do and the 1st choice of information for everyone interested about the game and company.
But then again, you obviously don't understand it because you're too busy on getting all butthurt and defensive about shit you don't even own.
I'm not saying its a red flag or anything but I do agree with him the site seems pretty 1998. I am the guy who sometimes buys stuff based on packaging (not fancy just well designed), but I'm a designer so I'm a nerd about that stuff. I also buy a lot of great stuff in crap packaging too, so I think it balances out.
But packaging is important, it shows you care, you can't get away from that. Then again I know that sometimes work gets in the way of maintaining your web-brand
NP, there are many reasons.
1. population. A vastly larger population produces a larger game audience that can become consumers.
2. South Korea is a gaming nation, estimated that around 70% of them play video games so its normal that a shit ton and a half are going to be made there. They have video game channels...and im not talking G4...their video game contests are near national passtime levels with winners becoming celebrities and the best players making over a million a year.
3. Game developing is important in all places. If you dont make a game to suit the market, you fail. In America for example, with it being a melting pot, the market is very very diverse, one player will have no issues with cute characters, others want realism and HATE cute, some want ugly but couldnt care either way so it can be extremely hard to make a game to target a large portion of the consumer base...in Asia, ugly player character games rarely do well unless they offer some beautiful ones as well, and the ugly ones dont get played. FFA PvP is VERY important to most asian players and they really could care less about themepark or sandbox as long as the armor and weapons look great and pack a punch.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson