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Mourning- Unethical Business and Horrid Game
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Think Ego is pissed off that D&L actually managed to get alot of people to pay 60(!)$ to play beta when his own game got a few hundred.
(But then again D&L-devs have not trolled other game boards ,or sent regular cdr:s as game discs ,or emailed fake legal threats to every site that dislikes the game).
Thanks for the good time SWG, ill miss you.
E-mail me at Niram@mmorpg.com
thanks everyone
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
Thats a fun read. I hope people wont fall for them again, but im sure they will. Isnt there any way to shut down that company since they ripped off so many people?
A lot of people never got their money back, and no development has been done in the last 6 months (They've been working on other projects to get some money to continue development)
But they're the same people, and nothing has changed.
At least, not for the better.
Life is like a grapefruit. It's sort of orangy-yellow and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, too. Oh, and some people have half a one for breakfast
In the end.. they are no game producing, fanboi lying, crap cd burning, no money rescinding, forum deleting, eastern european scumbags..... especially Ego, and his equally derelict American counterpoint in America Dave.....
good luck on round six or seven, or whatever this is.... LOL!!!!
Thats a fun read. I hope people wont fall for them again, but im sure they will. Isnt there any way to shut down that company since they ripped off so many people?
Listen to this Quote from that article
For some strange reason I find this extremely believable!
Hi, Egomancer. Just shows how 'professional' your company is if you feel the need to bash other MMORPG studios.
I do wish you good luck in your efforts.
[quote]Originally posted by Egomancer
P.S. Please look at the start of this thread and see the similarities between Mourning and DnL. I am not saying that they are scammers or something, but it is obvious that they do not have the financial and manpower to server a MMO.[/b][/quote]
And you're saying you don't have that either, then?
Well, at least that's honesty...
Life is like a grapefruit. It's sort of orangy-yellow and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, too. Oh, and some people have half a one for breakfast
Lmao- pot calling the kettle black. Hey tool, you have the same crappy people working for you, part-time college students. You weren't able to even hold a server with 30 people on it for any longer then 5 minutes. DnL has a larger fanbase then you will ever hold.
Oh lol, how generous of you! And what about the people that bought your "game"? Are you "strongly considering" to give their money back, or this is just an unfortunate aftermath of their blind faith in your game?
So you are glad you are not the only one who failed miserably in their attempt to make the "best" MMORPG out there? Get this straight, you have set a new low-point in the industry, and no game can hope to achieve that in the near future.
Just to tell you this, I am romanian too, and I am appaled that this low-point was set by some of my countrymen. Thank you!
Egomancer
Refrain from putting down another mmorpg company to try to make yours look better. It's unprofessional and rather immature.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
See, I'm not getting that statement. Maybe he's not expressing it properly or something? Or I'm just dense today? Anyway... is he saying the two are similiar because they both took money they didn't deserve from people? I can't imagine that's what he's trying to get across but that's what it sounds like. I'm not sure if DnL are taking people's money without the intention of giving them something in return. I do know, however, that Mourning took money and very shortly afterwards, disappeared. That's why people considered them scammers, although not many believed they intended to scam from the start. DnL hasn't disappeared yet and I don't actually believe they will. I'm just not sure they will be capable of putting out a product that is worth $60, or any box price, PLUS a monthly fee. I guess we'll see.
As for Mourning... I'm at a loss, here. Why is it back? Has there actually been development work done in all this time? Is there a decent product to be had right now? If not, what do they intend to do to make it up to those people who spent money and have since lost interest and moved on? I mean, I'm sure a lot of people thought they were gone forever, no? Can they ever recover from the bad reputation they've given themselves? I'm not entirely convinced they can or even deserve to.
Sometimes I think there are people on the internet who are paid to confuse me! They do such a good job, too!
It might be unprofessional and immature, but people do this all the time and never have their posts removed. Look at the DnL forum... people have been comparing these two games in a negative light and no one has moderated them. If the site has a problem with the devs from Mourning, shouldn't they just ban them? Over-moderating just makes it look personal... which is also rather unprofessional, no? His posts are worth debating, in my opinion. Isn't discussion the whole point of the board?
Double standards?
There's a difference between a player or fan comparing the two games, but when you involve key developers and gaming companies to do the same act, it is a whole new ballpark.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
People flaming a game is not a violation of our rules here. However, personal attacks are. If you take the time to actually look in the DnL forums you will notice there are MANY anti DnL threads. It only takes a click of your mouse to see.
And an official stratics representative does NOT constitute an official Developer or publisher like Egomancer. An official Stratics representative coming in here to talk bad about a game is about the same thing as me going to the stratics webpage to talk bad about a game. It holds no water. Its just an opinion. Matter of fact there is a formal stratics representative on DnL boards trashing the game every chance he gets. So, again, your argument, while interesting to read, is not entirely accurate.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
lol you can so tell that the DEVs over at Mourning has no creativity. They even stole a quote from Ridley Scott's Gladiator
http://www.ageofmourning.com/forums.html
Couldn't they get in trouble for that?
(look at the quote between the orc and the axe)
I don't know, Tammy... maybe. It IS a site for a game that will eventually (err... maybe) charge money. If they quote protected material on their site or in their game, I assume they could be sued or have to pay for usage. I do know that if they use material from some sources, such as the Picasso or Tolkien estates, there would be lawyers all over them eventually. I'm not sure they're really big enough, however, to warrant much attention outside of a rather small part of the gaming community.
to be really honest, I doubt Mourning would still attract players, even if they revamp the game to a good product. the game and company has such a bad reputation on the web, nobody will risk their money on their projects
Well,
I do not know what personal comment I have made, all that I said is that the guys that are developing DnL do not have the manpower to serve the game. It is that simple, and I hope that this is obvious for all of you. You can take this oppinion for what it worths (nothing for some and 2 cents for others).
I said back in May that DnL will ultimately fail. Think that until now there were like 3.5-4 mil USD pumped in the game and looking at what happened I am 100% sure that they will never get those money back from the subscriptions. While we certainly lost a big part of the money we invested in this, they were private funding (meaning my money and the publisher's money).
For DnL the situation is worse because they took money from some investors. While I do not know the conditions of the investement I am sure that those who gave the 1 mil back in April covered their ass in some way and MAYBE the developers will need to give themoney back to a certain date. And as the things stand, there are small chances to give the 1 mil back, not to speak about the rest of like 2.5 - 3 mil they invested.
After working for like 3.5 years I am in the fortunate (from some weird point of view) position to have a MMO server at home with no strings attached. Meaning that I do not need to pay money to anyone and still hold a company opearting in the gamedevelopment area.
I am not very sure that the DnL developers will be in the same fortunate position in May 2006. In fact I am 95% that in Sept 2006 DnL will be closed and NPCube or how is called the developemtn company will be closed.
The causes they got in this position are multiple. First and foremost come from the people. Being located on a remote island means that your recuiting capabilities are rather limited. To develop such a complex product you need only people that know what do because the unexperienced ones make more damage than they help.
Second is the money. If you do not have a clear budget you can not make plans and more you can not hire top of the line people. The myth of the great games made in the basement is gone, This is no longer possible witht he current industry development. It owuld be as you would want to make Gladiator with a 1k camera and 10 actors.
So the problem is that they do not have the team now to finish the game and make it succesfull. It is as simple as that. During my career I have been fortunate to work with some big companies and I know what bug fixing and olishing of a game means. And they are far away from getting at that point.
Mourning when we closed was at a point where we could call the game being 'beta' - and from there the real work should have begun,. However after half a year my financial situation is better and there are great chances to restart coding at the game using the experience I already have. We will live and see...
Egomancer
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actually, it is Egomancer
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
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"MMOs, for people that like think chatting is like a skill or something, rotflol"
http://purepwnage.com
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon