So in other words you want the same failed concept that has never worked as well as DAoC's closed faction, closed PvE, Realm Pride fostering 3 sided faction warfare.
No thanks, I'll take exactly what the Devs have proposed with the original DAoC style banded RvR PvP and the open world exploration centric PvE realms of the 3 factions that gives each player 4X the PvE world of the single player Elder Scrolls Games. Get the best of both worlds or get crap PvP ontop of decent PvE. I'll take the latter every time.
10 years from now if every game released after ESO is a RvR 3 faction MMO then you may have an argument but as of now I'll take something exciting, new and that has known results.
So basically you want them to copy some niche game instead of actually making a real Elder Scrolls game? It seems to me that you are looking for CU.
So a game which featured 250K subscribers at its peak and had the 2nd highest subscriber base in the west was a niche game? Not to mention it is by most polls considered to be the best PvP game of all time.
Let us not also forget the PvE elements are what make a great game, and is why I will never play CU. ESO's PvE is exactly like Skyrim but in a bigger area so its the best of both worlds.
4th highest subscriber base. EQ1, Lineage and SWG all had bigger sub bases. DAOC ranked around UO and AC but above AO.
If DAOC was so great, why did it only get 250k subs at peak? Why did it only come in 4th? To call something "the best" Id think it would have to place 1 or 2. Not 4th.
If DAOCs RvR was so great then why hasnt it been copied until now? Why isnt it the "gold standard" for PvP? Why arent other Devs following their "so awesome" style of PvP?
Polls dont mean jack. DAOCs RvR wasnt the best MMO PvP. There isnt one. They have all sucked.
DAOC was a small niche game with a few fanatical fans.
I said in the west so Lineage doesnt count as not many westerners played it. In its heyday which was before SWG, it had the 2nd largest subscription base.
you do realize 250k subs in 2002 was considered a massive success, I mean huge mega success! WoW changed all that.
Why hasnt RvR been copied, again another WoW/Blizzard fault here. Hundreds of MMO's saw wha tWoW did and copied, hence the term WoW clone. Those companies wanted the chance at recreating Blizzard's success and suffice it to say, it is something we still have to contend with today.
DAoC was a great success and rivaled EQ in terms of Subscription numbers for a long time. Not till the ToA expansion did it start to go downhill.
Ok so we wont count Lineage, but still it only had 250k. At peak! That didnt rival EQ1 which had 400k.
It tied with UO and AC for sub numbers. Ok so maybe it came in #2, but that was only for a short time. Sub numbers started to drop real quick when it became clear that Mythic couldnt balance their own game and swung the nerf bat like the Star Wars kid off his meds. ToA made that worse.
DAOC leveled off at around 150-180k. Thats hardly what I call a great success. It did well, but it wasnt as great as you seem to think it was.
When SWG came out it surpassed DAOC in sub numbers
LOL yeah sure, blame WoW for the fact that no other Dev company ever used DAOCs style. Nice.
You blame WoW for Global Warming and the tensions in the ME too?
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Because he is basically saying he wants ESO to be exactly like DAoC. He never mentions anything about TES other than having "the world" to play out his DAoC fantasies. He claims that if they do anything different from DAoC, it would be a failed concept. I came to the conclusion that he wants a DAoC clone instead of a 'real' TES game.
But what gets developed in the end is a "real" TES game. I fail to see how what you want over what azzamasin wants makes it more "real".
No it's not. Assman asks for a DAoC clone and then says anything short of that is a failed concept. It doesn't matter if ESO is going to be a "real" TES game or not, he's not asking for that.
<shrug>
I was hoping for a fantasy variant of EveO with TES lore tacked on, myself. Or if not that, then a spiritual successor to UO (with TES lore, natch.)
I didn't get it. Oh well. It's not exactly what I want. Oh well. I'm still going to give it a shot; they're doing a few things, mechanically, that I'd like to see play out. If it doesn't work out... again, oh well. TES lore is nice and all, but I'm not so married to it that I'll cry bloody murder over it being attached to a game I didn't care for.
Because he is basically saying he wants ESO to be exactly like DAoC. He never mentions anything about TES other than having "the world" to play out his DAoC fantasies. He claims that if they do anything different from DAoC, it would be a failed concept. I came to the conclusion that he wants a DAoC clone instead of a 'real' TES game.
But what gets developed in the end is a "real" TES game. I fail to see how what you want over what azzamasin wants makes it more "real".
No it's not. Assman asks for a DAoC clone and then says anything short of that is a failed concept. It doesn't matter if ESO is going to be a "real" TES game or not, he's not asking for that.
I was hoping for a fantasy variant of EveO with TES lore tacked on, myself. Or if not that, then a spiritual successor to UO (with TES lore, natch.)
I didn't get it. Oh well. It's not exactly what I want. Oh well. I'm still going to give it a shot; they're doing a few things, mechanically, that I'd like to see play out. If it doesn't work out... again, oh well. TES lore is nice and all, but I'm not so married to it that I'll cry bloody murder over it being attached to a game I didn't care for.
Why doesn't anyone expect a TES MMO. You guys get mad at me using the word 'real' but everyone here is asking for a copy of something else. I don't have a problem with DAoC, I will be supporting and playing CU. TES is a great franchise and it would've made a great MMO without having to 'clone' another game.
Nearly spat out my coffee laughing when Nanfoodle started quoting 'lore'.
LORE mentions a period of petty warlords fighting for the crown, and that is pretty much it....
LORE does not explain how three high ranking race-alliance leaders are fighting for the 'crown' but mysteriously then allow one of their followers to become emperor instead of them once they have 'won'.
Let's not even talk about the logic of three factions managing to successfully limit a war of this kind to a SINGLE REGION using force fields or magically created mountain ranges or whatever it is which will stop people moving around.
... farcical...
The OP's summary of the various ideas already floated are a much better alternative and his well-reasoned additions and rationalisations are well incorporated.
A shame he wasn't working at Zenimax four years ago...
Because he is basically saying he wants ESO to be exactly like DAoC. He never mentions anything about TES other than having "the world" to play out his DAoC fantasies. He claims that if they do anything different from DAoC, it would be a failed concept. I came to the conclusion that he wants a DAoC clone instead of a 'real' TES game.
But what gets developed in the end is a "real" TES game. I fail to see how what you want over what azzamasin wants makes it more "real".
No it's not. Assman asks for a DAoC clone and then says anything short of that is a failed concept. It doesn't matter if ESO is going to be a "real" TES game or not, he's not asking for that.
I was hoping for a fantasy variant of EveO with TES lore tacked on, myself. Or if not that, then a spiritual successor to UO (with TES lore, natch.)
I didn't get it. Oh well. It's not exactly what I want. Oh well. I'm still going to give it a shot; they're doing a few things, mechanically, that I'd like to see play out. If it doesn't work out... again, oh well. TES lore is nice and all, but I'm not so married to it that I'll cry bloody murder over it being attached to a game I didn't care for.
Why doesn't anyone expect a TES MMO. You guys get mad at me using the word 'real' but everyone here is asking for a copy of something else. I don't have a problem with DAoC, I will be supporting and playing CU. TES is a great franchise and it would've made a great MMO without having to 'clone' another game.
Is i t even possible? to make an MMO without taking elements from other MMOS which are already well established and work? ,i know the word 'clone' is exaggeration because no MMO is an actual clone of another MMO. But as far as similarities are concerned TESO is already looking like a mash up of DAOC and GW2.
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Why doesn't anyone expect a TES MMO. You guys get mad at me using the word 'real' but everyone here is asking for a copy of something else. I don't have a problem with DAoC, I will be supporting and playing CU. TES is a great franchise and it would've made a great MMO without having to 'clone' another game.
Is i t even possible? to make an MMO without taking elements from other MMOS which are already well established and work? ,i know the word 'clone' is exaggeration because no MMO is an actual clone of another MMO. But as far as similarities are concerned TESO is already looking like a mash up of DAOC and GW2.
I think it's possible. GW2 and TSW was able to make a MMO without taking elements (or changed elements enough to be less similar) from other MMOs. I think it they was going to add elements from another game, they should've intergrated them with ESO - instead of wrapping TES around those elements.
The OP posted some great ideas on what ESO could have been as a TES inspired MMO.
LORE does not explain how three high ranking race-alliance leaders are fighting for the 'crown' but mysteriously then allow one of their followers to become emperor instead of them once they have 'won'.
I never understood the Emperor system either. Why would these groups let another person become the Emperor... are they not fighting for the throne themselves?
LORE does not explain how three high ranking race-alliance leaders are fighting for the 'crown' but mysteriously then allow one of their followers to become emperor instead of them once they have 'won'.
I never understood the Emperor system either. Why would these groups let another person become the Emperor... are they not fighting for the throne themselves?
Yeah something I have brought up previously and it simply doesn't make any sense at all. It is just a gimmick, a big carrot for people who like button mashing but don't like to delve too deeply into why they mash those buttons as it hurts their head to think about it!
So in other words you want the same failed concept that has never worked as well as DAoC's closed faction, closed PvE, Realm Pride fostering 3 sided faction warfare.
No thanks, I'll take exactly what the Devs have proposed with the original DAoC style banded RvR PvP and the open world exploration centric PvE realms of the 3 factions that gives each player 4X the PvE world of the single player Elder Scrolls Games. Get the best of both worlds or get crap PvP ontop of decent PvE. I'll take the latter every time.
10 years from now if every game released after ESO is a RvR 3 faction MMO then you may have an argument but as of now I'll take something exciting, new and that has known results.
So basically you want them to copy some niche game instead of actually making a real Elder Scrolls game? It seems to me that you are looking for CU.
FFS, I wish people would just stop with this "real" Elder Scrolls crap.
If Bethesda puts their blessing on that game and they did, then its the real TES MMO.
I agree. Like Redguard is a "real" TES game. Some people imply that that game and this are some how not "real" TES games for not having certain game mechanics. It's pathetic.
So basically I'm getting attacked by two twerps because of what that guy said he wanted.... fucking pathetic.
How have you come to that conclusion? -put his response in yellow for reference.
Because he is basically saying he wants ESO to be exactly like DAoC. He never mentions anything about TES other than having "the world" to play out his DAoC fantasies. He claims that if they do anything different from DAoC, it would be a failed concept. I came to the conclusion that he wants a DAoC clone instead of a 'real' TES game.
We are not arguing the validity of TES and if it can be made into a MMO, we are arguing the validity of DAoC fitting into TES, born into a MMO. Also you lie, flat out lie. You have replied to many a post where I have stated many many times thats I am as much a TES fan as I am a DAoC fan. Bringing the two together is a dream MMO for me, the best of the best RPGs with the best of the best 3 faction war DAoC. I have also said many times that I have played most if not all TES games. I have been playing them sinse they were 8 bit games. If your not lieing, then you are not reading my posts. Either way you just lost ground as any one dose when stating things that are far from truth.
Why doesn't anyone expect a TES MMO. You guys get mad at me using the word 'real' but everyone here is asking for a copy of something else. I don't have a problem with DAoC, I will be supporting and playing CU. TES is a great franchise and it would've made a great MMO without having to 'clone' another game.
Is i t even possible? to make an MMO without taking elements from other MMOS which are already well established and work? ,i know the word 'clone' is exaggeration because no MMO is an actual clone of another MMO. But as far as similarities are concerned TESO is already looking like a mash up of DAOC and GW2.
I think it's possible. GW2 and TSW was able to make a MMO without taking elements (or changed elements enough to be less similar) from other MMOs. I think it they was going to add elements from another game, they should've intergrated them with ESO - instead of wrapping TES around those elements.
The OP posted some great ideas on what ESO could have been as a TES inspired MMO.
Fool idea Sapphen, Over the past 8 years devs have tied to make unique snow flakes and remake what made MMOs awesome and most failed, only EVE has really made a dent in creative rights. MMOs are so masive that one or two things out of balance and you wreck the batch. Over the past few years devs are starting to see that and bringing games back to the roots of what made MMOs work. Like DAoC 3 faction war, remove the faction lock and have PvP everywhere breaks thats system. A few MMOs have proved that. ESO is going back to the roots of that system and a few others. With open world dungeons to name another. Making to many chages to what works is the biggest gamble that fails most times in this industry. I have been at most major MMO launches over the past 15 years and many like me are starting to see a pattern. Some mechanics should not be messed with. ESO is doing just fine with its core mechanics. Few small things concern me but they are minor.
Because he is basically saying he wants ESO to be exactly like DAoC. He never mentions anything about TES other than having "the world" to play out his DAoC fantasies. He claims that if they do anything different from DAoC, it would be a failed concept. I came to the conclusion that he wants a DAoC clone instead of a 'real' TES game.
We are not arguing the validity of TES and if it can be made into a MMO, we are arguing the validity of DAoC fitting into TES, born into a MMO. Also you lie, flat out lie. You have replied to many a post where I have stated many many times thats I am as much a TES fan as I am a DAoC fan. Bringing the two together is a dream MMO for me, the best of the best RPGs with the best of the best 3 faction war DAoC. I have also said many times that I have played most if not all TES games. I have been playing them sinse they were 8 bit games. If your not lieing, then you are not reading my posts. Either way you just lost ground as any one dose when stating things that are fan from truth.
What are you talking about and why are you calling me a liar? I don't have a problem replying to you but I just don't know what I'm responding to ~ and to be honest I don't read many of your posts. Aside from the green color and walls of text, I just don't understand your points.
Because he is basically saying he wants ESO to be exactly like DAoC. He never mentions anything about TES other than having "the world" to play out his DAoC fantasies. He claims that if they do anything different from DAoC, it would be a failed concept. I came to the conclusion that he wants a DAoC clone instead of a 'real' TES game.
We are not arguing the validity of TES and if it can be made into a MMO, we are arguing the validity of DAoC fitting into TES, born into a MMO. Also you lie, flat out lie. You have replied to many a post where I have stated many many times thats I am as much a TES fan as I am a DAoC fan. Bringing the two together is a dream MMO for me, the best of the best RPGs with the best of the best 3 faction war DAoC. I have also said many times that I have played most if not all TES games. I have been playing them sinse they were 8 bit games. If your not lieing, then you are not reading my posts. Either way you just lost ground as any one dose when stating things that are fan from truth.
What are you talking about and why are you calling me a liar? I don't have a problem replying to you but I just don't know what I'm responding to ~ and to be honest I don't read many of your posts. Aside from the green color and walls of text, I just don't understand your points.
You make me sound like I am not a fan of TES, that I dont talk about TES game other to fiting it into DAoC. How can nayone do that on this forum. Every time we do start talking about that, you, Maelwydd and a few other derail every conversation on that type of subject and turn it into hate posts about how much this game sucks and the devs better go back to ground zero and start over. How can any fan of both TES and what ESO is talk about it? Bill's video fits so well with whats going on in ESO forums HERE! =-P If you hate the game so much, I wish you few would move on, like most who hate the game. They make 1-2 post about how they are upset and go away. Let the fans talk about the game and make positive suggestion on how to make it better. lol =-D
EDIT: Or at least keep your I hate this game posts to the threads about that topic.
Why doesn't anyone expect a TES MMO. You guys get mad at me using the word 'real' but everyone here is asking for a copy of something else. I don't have a problem with DAoC, I will be supporting and playing CU. TES is a great franchise and it would've made a great MMO without having to 'clone' another game.
Is i t even possible? to make an MMO without taking elements from other MMOS which are already well established and work? ,i know the word 'clone' is exaggeration because no MMO is an actual clone of another MMO. But as far as similarities are concerned TESO is already looking like a mash up of DAOC and GW2.
I think it's possible. GW2 and TSW was able to make a MMO without taking elements (or changed elements enough to be less similar) from other MMOs. I think it they was going to add elements from another game, they should've intergrated them with ESO - instead of wrapping TES around those elements.
The OP posted some great ideas on what ESO could have been as a TES inspired MMO.
Fool idea Sapphen, Over the past 8 years devs have tied to make unique snow flakes and remake what made MMOs awesome and most failed, only EVE has really made a dent in creative rights. MMOs are so masive that one or two things out of balance and you wreck the batch. Over the past few years devs are starting to see that and bringing games back to the roots of what made MMOs work. Like DAoC 3 faction war, remove the faction lock and have PvP everywhere breaks thats system. A few MMOs have proved that. ESO is going back to the roots of that system and a few others. With open world dungeons to name another. Making to many chages to what works is the biggest gamble that fails most times in this industry. I have been at most major MMO launches over the past 15 years and many like me are starting to see a pattern. Some mechanics should not be messed with. ESO is doing just fine with its core mechanics. Few small things concern me but they are minor.
I don't think MMO developers ever strayed too far away from the MMO forumla. It they wanted to go back to the roots then they should've just made DAoC2 (or CU) and not tried to turn another GREAT GAME into a clone. TES stood on it's own merits, it may not have been your dream MMO but it should've held true to it's roots.
Let the fans talk about the game and make positive suggestion on how to make it better. lol =-D
Well apparently the game is perfect and should just shut up.....right?
Sorry but you can see no wrong no matter what others say, impovements we suggest or problems with the design we point out.
What suggestion? That everything should be scraped and start over with a real TSE MMO? You hate the game, you hate the lore ESO has made for this game, you hate the core model picked. You just hate evrything. You have stated you wont buy or play the game and if I remember right you even stated once you wont even play beta but that may have been someone else. You have stated you have a game you like and will keep playing it and you have a guild thats happy there. So you are not here to make the game better, your here to hate. So again what positive suggestions do you have, other then chucking out the baby with the bath water?
I don't think MMO developers ever strayed too far away from the MMO forumla. It they wanted to go back to the roots then they should've just made DAoC2 (or CU) and not tried to turn another GREAT GAME into a clone. TES stood on it's own merits, it may not have been your dream MMO but it should've held true to it's roots.
Who are you to say whats its "roots" are though? Especially when many of its biggest supporters do not even find Bethesda's games playable unless there are 100+ mods installed! Sure, this is different from the other games (much like how WoW is different from Wc3, or FFtactics from its "roots") but that does not make the game bad. If you honestly feel the game is not for "you" stop trying to make it fit to you. You imparticular are even fighting against the very idea of good game development. Your entire "oh yeah, do this its so easy" thread was a fricken travesty in almost every way!
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Why doesn't anyone expect a TES MMO. You guys get mad at me using the word 'real' but everyone here is asking for a copy of something else. I don't have a problem with DAoC, I will be supporting and playing CU. TES is a great franchise and it would've made a great MMO without having to 'clone' another game.
Is i t even possible? to make an MMO without taking elements from other MMOS which are already well established and work? ,i know the word 'clone' is exaggeration because no MMO is an actual clone of another MMO. But as far as similarities are concerned TESO is already looking like a mash up of DAOC and GW2.
I think it's possible. GW2 and TSW was able to make a MMO without taking elements (or changed elements enough to be less similar) from other MMOs. I think it they was going to add elements from another game, they should've intergrated them with ESO - instead of wrapping TES around those elements.
The OP posted some great ideas on what ESO could have been as a TES inspired MMO.
Fool idea Sapphen, Over the past 8 years devs have tied to make unique snow flakes and remake what made MMOs awesome and most failed, only EVE has really made a dent in creative rights. MMOs are so masive that one or two things out of balance and you wreck the batch. Over the past few years devs are starting to see that and bringing games back to the roots of what made MMOs work. Like DAoC 3 faction war, remove the faction lock and have PvP everywhere breaks thats system. A few MMOs have proved that. ESO is going back to the roots of that system and a few others. With open world dungeons to name another. Making to many chages to what works is the biggest gamble that fails most times in this industry. I have been at most major MMO launches over the past 15 years and many like me are starting to see a pattern. Some mechanics should not be messed with. ESO is doing just fine with its core mechanics. Few small things concern me but they are minor.
I don't think MMO developers ever strayed too far away from the MMO forumla. It they wanted to go back to the roots then they should've just made DAoC2 (or CU) and not tried to turn another GREAT GAME into a clone. TES stood on it's own merits, it may not have been your dream MMO but it should've held true to it's roots.
Ok, then lets talk real. This is the model they have given us, This is the game they have made and spent millions of bucks and 6 years of time making this game. So lets take what you want and talk for real on how it can fit in this current model/game. Lets talk like fans who love TES and find suggestions we can give the devs to make you explorer fans happy without telling the devs to chuck out the baby with the bath water. Or you here just to hate?
I like how suddenly everyone wants to "explore" pve areas. I'm sure you will have plenty of pve areas to explore per-faction. If this isn't enough boring pve for you then buy another account and start in different faction. I think by not allowing people to hold hands and pve side by side separates each realm until they finally meet on the battle field in ORvR. To me, this strengthens the realm vs realm aspect of the game that they are going for. If you still need to quench your thirst for boring dull lowbie pve areas you can buy the strategy guide and stare at the maps.
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What are you talking about and why are you calling me a liar? I don't have a problem replying to you but I just don't know what I'm responding to ~ and to be honest I don't read many of your posts. Aside from the green color and walls of text, I just don't understand your points.
You make me sound like I am not a fan of TES, that I dont talk about TES game other to fiting it into DAoC. How can nayone do that on this forum. Every time we do start talking about that, you, Maelwydd and a few other derail every conversation on that type of subject and turn it into hate posts about how much this game sucks and the devs better go back to ground zero and start over. How can any fan of both TES and what ESO is talk about it? Bill's video fits so well with whats going on in ESO forums HERE! =-P If you hate the game so much, I wish you few would move on, like most who hate the game. They make 1-2 post about how they are upset and go away. Let the fans talk about the game and make positive suggestion on how to make it better. lol =-D
EDIT: Or at least keep your I hate this game posts to the threads about that topic.
I don't care if you consider yourself a TES fan, this has nothing to do with you. I have posted constructive criticism and suggestions that might improve their game (without starting from scratch). The only time I get hateful is when people like you try and attack us for having a different opinion.
This forum is not 'just for the fans' but for the MMO community. You would do well to remember that when coming here because no one is forcing you to respond to us.
Originally posted by Grunch I like how suddenly everyone wants to "explore" pve areas. I'm sure you will have plenty of pve areas to explore per-faction. If this isn't enough boring pve for you then buy another account and start in different faction. I think by not allowing people to hold hands and pve side by side separates each realm until they finally meet on the battle field in ORvR. To me, this strengthens the realm vs realm aspect of the game that they are going for. If you still need to quench your thirst for boring dull lowbie pve areas you can buy the strategy guide and stare at the maps.
I think I know the answer but have you ever played any TES games before?
Ok, then lets talk real. This is the model they have given us, This is the game they have made and spent millions of bucks and 6 years of time making this game. So lets take what you want and talk for real on how it can fit in this current model/game. Lets talk like fans who love TES and find suggestions we can give the devs to make you explorer fans happy without telling the devs to chuck out the baby with the bath water. Or you here just to hate?
I made an entire thread dedicated on the matter, you even responded to it. This is what I mean when I say you don't make sense.
Originally posted by Grunch I like how suddenly everyone wants to "explore" pve areas. I'm sure you will have plenty of pve areas to explore per-faction. If this isn't enough boring pve for you then buy another account and start in different faction. I think by not allowing people to hold hands and pve side by side separates each realm until they finally meet on the battle field in ORvR. To me, this strengthens the realm vs realm aspect of the game that they are going for. If you still need to quench your thirst for boring dull lowbie pve areas you can buy the strategy guide and stare at the maps.
Knock it off grunch you are trolling. And by your remarks you are either trying to cause trouble or you hvae never played an elder scrolls game.
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Ok so we wont count Lineage, but still it only had 250k. At peak! That didnt rival EQ1 which had 400k.
It tied with UO and AC for sub numbers. Ok so maybe it came in #2, but that was only for a short time. Sub numbers started to drop real quick when it became clear that Mythic couldnt balance their own game and swung the nerf bat like the Star Wars kid off his meds. ToA made that worse.
DAOC leveled off at around 150-180k. Thats hardly what I call a great success. It did well, but it wasnt as great as you seem to think it was.
When SWG came out it surpassed DAOC in sub numbers
LOL yeah sure, blame WoW for the fact that no other Dev company ever used DAOCs style. Nice.
You blame WoW for Global Warming and the tensions in the ME too?
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DAOC came from a period where MMOS in general were niche games.
<shrug>
I was hoping for a fantasy variant of EveO with TES lore tacked on, myself. Or if not that, then a spiritual successor to UO (with TES lore, natch.)
I didn't get it. Oh well. It's not exactly what I want. Oh well. I'm still going to give it a shot; they're doing a few things, mechanically, that I'd like to see play out. If it doesn't work out... again, oh well. TES lore is nice and all, but I'm not so married to it that I'll cry bloody murder over it being attached to a game I didn't care for.
Why doesn't anyone expect a TES MMO. You guys get mad at me using the word 'real' but everyone here is asking for a copy of something else. I don't have a problem with DAoC, I will be supporting and playing CU. TES is a great franchise and it would've made a great MMO without having to 'clone' another game.
Nearly spat out my coffee laughing when Nanfoodle started quoting 'lore'.
LORE mentions a period of petty warlords fighting for the crown, and that is pretty much it....
LORE does not explain how three high ranking race-alliance leaders are fighting for the 'crown' but mysteriously then allow one of their followers to become emperor instead of them once they have 'won'.
Let's not even talk about the logic of three factions managing to successfully limit a war of this kind to a SINGLE REGION using force fields or magically created mountain ranges or whatever it is which will stop people moving around.
... farcical...
The OP's summary of the various ideas already floated are a much better alternative and his well-reasoned additions and rationalisations are well incorporated.
A shame he wasn't working at Zenimax four years ago...
Is i t even possible? to make an MMO without taking elements from other MMOS which are already well established and work? ,i know the word 'clone' is exaggeration because no MMO is an actual clone of another MMO. But as far as similarities are concerned TESO is already looking like a mash up of DAOC and GW2.
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I think it's possible. GW2 and TSW was able to make a MMO without taking elements (or changed elements enough to be less similar) from other MMOs. I think it they was going to add elements from another game, they should've intergrated them with ESO - instead of wrapping TES around those elements.
The OP posted some great ideas on what ESO could have been as a TES inspired MMO.
I never understood the Emperor system either. Why would these groups let another person become the Emperor... are they not fighting for the throne themselves?
Yeah something I have brought up previously and it simply doesn't make any sense at all. It is just a gimmick, a big carrot for people who like button mashing but don't like to delve too deeply into why they mash those buttons as it hurts their head to think about it!
We are not arguing the validity of TES and if it can be made into a MMO, we are arguing the validity of DAoC fitting into TES, born into a MMO. Also you lie, flat out lie. You have replied to many a post where I have stated many many times thats I am as much a TES fan as I am a DAoC fan. Bringing the two together is a dream MMO for me, the best of the best RPGs with the best of the best 3 faction war DAoC. I have also said many times that I have played most if not all TES games. I have been playing them sinse they were 8 bit games. If your not lieing, then you are not reading my posts. Either way you just lost ground as any one dose when stating things that are far from truth.
Fool idea Sapphen, Over the past 8 years devs have tied to make unique snow flakes and remake what made MMOs awesome and most failed, only EVE has really made a dent in creative rights. MMOs are so masive that one or two things out of balance and you wreck the batch. Over the past few years devs are starting to see that and bringing games back to the roots of what made MMOs work. Like DAoC 3 faction war, remove the faction lock and have PvP everywhere breaks thats system. A few MMOs have proved that. ESO is going back to the roots of that system and a few others. With open world dungeons to name another. Making to many chages to what works is the biggest gamble that fails most times in this industry. I have been at most major MMO launches over the past 15 years and many like me are starting to see a pattern. Some mechanics should not be messed with. ESO is doing just fine with its core mechanics. Few small things concern me but they are minor.
What are you talking about and why are you calling me a liar? I don't have a problem replying to you but I just don't know what I'm responding to ~ and to be honest I don't read many of your posts. Aside from the green color and walls of text, I just don't understand your points.
You make me sound like I am not a fan of TES, that I dont talk about TES game other to fiting it into DAoC. How can nayone do that on this forum. Every time we do start talking about that, you, Maelwydd and a few other derail every conversation on that type of subject and turn it into hate posts about how much this game sucks and the devs better go back to ground zero and start over. How can any fan of both TES and what ESO is talk about it? Bill's video fits so well with whats going on in ESO forums HERE! =-P If you hate the game so much, I wish you few would move on, like most who hate the game. They make 1-2 post about how they are upset and go away. Let the fans talk about the game and make positive suggestion on how to make it better. lol =-D
EDIT: Or at least keep your I hate this game posts to the threads about that topic.
Well apparently the game is perfect and should just shut up.....right?
Sorry but you can see no wrong no matter what others say, impovements we suggest or problems with the design we point out.
I don't think MMO developers ever strayed too far away from the MMO forumla. It they wanted to go back to the roots then they should've just made DAoC2 (or CU) and not tried to turn another GREAT GAME into a clone. TES stood on it's own merits, it may not have been your dream MMO but it should've held true to it's roots.
What suggestion? That everything should be scraped and start over with a real TSE MMO? You hate the game, you hate the lore ESO has made for this game, you hate the core model picked. You just hate evrything. You have stated you wont buy or play the game and if I remember right you even stated once you wont even play beta but that may have been someone else. You have stated you have a game you like and will keep playing it and you have a guild thats happy there. So you are not here to make the game better, your here to hate. So again what positive suggestions do you have, other then chucking out the baby with the bath water?
Who are you to say whats its "roots" are though? Especially when many of its biggest supporters do not even find Bethesda's games playable unless there are 100+ mods installed! Sure, this is different from the other games (much like how WoW is different from Wc3, or FFtactics from its "roots") but that does not make the game bad. If you honestly feel the game is not for "you" stop trying to make it fit to you. You imparticular are even fighting against the very idea of good game development. Your entire "oh yeah, do this its so easy" thread was a fricken travesty in almost every way!
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Ok, then lets talk real. This is the model they have given us, This is the game they have made and spent millions of bucks and 6 years of time making this game. So lets take what you want and talk for real on how it can fit in this current model/game. Lets talk like fans who love TES and find suggestions we can give the devs to make you explorer fans happy without telling the devs to chuck out the baby with the bath water. Or you here just to hate?
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I don't care if you consider yourself a TES fan, this has nothing to do with you. I have posted constructive criticism and suggestions that might improve their game (without starting from scratch). The only time I get hateful is when people like you try and attack us for having a different opinion.
This forum is not 'just for the fans' but for the MMO community. You would do well to remember that when coming here because no one is forcing you to respond to us.
I think I know the answer but have you ever played any TES games before?
I made an entire thread dedicated on the matter, you even responded to it. This is what I mean when I say you don't make sense.
Knock it off grunch you are trolling. And by your remarks you are either trying to cause trouble or you hvae never played an elder scrolls game.
Maybe both.
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