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  • WootloopsWootloops Member UncommonPosts: 165
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by Wootloops
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    Hold on here.  You bought a case for a GeForce GTX 690, but picked such a small case that some GeForce 8800 series card wouldn't fit?  I think you're doing something wrong here.  Where did you get your parts anyway?  And did you ask for help in picking parts from someone who knew anything?

    I got an Alienware PC, didn't make it myself; and good thing I didn't, for as you can see, if I had tried to make it myself, somehow Chernobyl would have happened all over again in my hosue.

    I think we've found the problem:  you spent way too much for a goofy hardware configuration that can't do what you want, even though a much cheaper, less exotic hardware configuration would have worked great for your needs.  I don't know if the problems you're having are of your own making or trying to fix problems that Dell created for you.

    Have you tried calling Dell and complaining to them that the computer they sold you doesn't work right?  If it's a recent purchase, you could also try returning it for a refund.  Even if they charge a 15% restocking fee, you'd come out way, way ahead if you get back the other 85% and spend it on something better suited to your needs.  For starters, if you want a lot of monitors, then you should pick a video card that is built to handle a lot of monitors.

    The computer works fine and does everything I want, I just broke it by messing with it, trying to solve an issue that I'm pretty sure isn't a computer issue in the first place, it's just an issue with GW2 in relation to the 690 (Which works fine with everything else), or just in general. And if anything, I need more exotic hardware, not less and cheaper. My command center is being held back by my 4 monitor cap at the moment, and by Windows being a terrible operating system that doesn't have virtual desktops.

  • ichihaifuichihaifu Member UncommonPosts: 280

    Oh hahahahaha, I shall now proceed to quote myself: 

    Originally posted by ichihaifu

    Too much money spent at something one doesnt have knowledge of. ~shudder~

    ....

     (in which case you need to go back and learn the basics all over again).

     

    Now then, We must be either dealing with massive and very successful troll or an utter idiot. Are you by chance this guy?

    Now the rude comments aside, my final advice is to just do everything all over again. From a scrach and without the 7800. Your 690 is capable of running all of those 4 screens if you just stop being ignorant fool and set up your screens properly - Even if your 690 shows full load, what in fact is going on is it has lowered its specs to match the 7800 and uses those specs at full load. (Programs cannot see this because its mechanical limitation, but if you are any familiar with how PC's function you will know what's going on even without seeing it from a program)

     

    Now if you refuse to listen to our advice, dont bother asking to begin with mr. Iknoweverything.

  • WootloopsWootloops Member UncommonPosts: 165
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    If you want a lot of monitors, AMD/ATI offer better solutions overall too. Graphic card wise of course, you can still use a kickass Intel Core I7 processor with those.

    I want the most power and a lot of monitors, which is achiveable as I have it now, with a 690 and a second card for handling monitor overflow.

  • WootloopsWootloops Member UncommonPosts: 165
    Originally posted by ichihaifu

    Oh hahahahaha, I shall now proceed to quote myself: 

    Originally posted by ichihaifu

    Too much money spent at something one doesnt have knowledge of. ~shudder~

    ....

     (in which case you need to go back and learn the basics all over again).

     

    Now then, We must be either dealing with massive and very successful troll or an utter idiot. Are you by chance this guy?

    Now the rude comments aside, my final advice is to just do everything all over again. From a scrach and without the 7800. Your 690 is capable of running all of those 4 screens if you just stop being ignorant fool and set up your screens properly - Even if your 690 shows full load, what in fact is going on is it has lowered its specs to match the 7800 and uses those specs at full load. (Programs cannot see this because its mechanical limitation, but if you are any familiar with how PC's function you will know what's going on even without seeing it from a program)

     

    Now if you refuse to listen to our advice, dont bother asking to begin with mr. Iknoweverything.

    I've already tried to educate you on how many screen the 690 can handle and how 690 isn't running at the speed of the 7800, but you choose to remain ignorant. Thinking you know everything just isn't a productive way to live life. Try being an open book, and to consider the advice others have to give. It's a much more enriching way to live, as it's the way I try to live my life. But remember to be a discerning book as well, as I've had to be here, for ignorance is abound as well as wisdom.

  • WootloopsWootloops Member UncommonPosts: 165
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Wootloops

    My command center...

    Tell me, did you watch Die Hard 4 lately, or something? Just asking because that's the last time I heard someone call his computer room a "command center".

    You can't be the warlock though, since the warlock is good with computers ;)

    http://diehard.wikia.com/wiki/Warlock

    is being held back by my 4 monitor cap at the moment, and by Windows being a terrible operating system that doesn't have virtual desktops.

    If you want virtual desktops, there's a ton of freeware out there doing that just fine.

    Originally posted by Wootloops
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    If you want a lot of monitors, AMD/ATI offer better solutions overall too. Graphic card wise of course, you can still use a kickass Intel Core I7 processor with those.

    I want the most power and a lot of monitors, which is achiveable as I have it now, with a 690 and a second card for handling monitor overflow.

    Actually not. A single AMD HD7970 can handle 6 monitors. Put two of those instead your single 690 and you'd be out of monitor problems for the next century - and performance wise, 2x7970 beat the single 690 too.

    I love Diehard 4, but my command center is way better than his.

    As to virtual desktop freeware, I've tried them all, and they're all absolute garbage. They're slow laggy buggy crap.

    And as to the the 7970, both the 690 and 7970 in SLI can only run 3 monitors while in non-surround SLI mode (Not completely sure on the 7970), except that the 690 is only one card, allowing me to put a second card in the case (Only have 2 PCI-E slots), expanding my monitor capacity beyond 3. And AMD doesn't have a dual-GPU card to match, so I couldn't go with them.

  • ichihaifuichihaifu Member UncommonPosts: 280

    I lold hard here.

  • WootloopsWootloops Member UncommonPosts: 165
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Wootloops
    Thinking you know everything just isn't a productive way to live life.

    Obviously a lesson you enjoy giving to others but that you don't apply to yourself.

    As I said, it's also important to be a discerning book. I was too open earlier on, and it lead to destruction and chaos around my computer. Everything in moderation, as Ghandi once said. The padawan I was responding to is the extreme of closure, and I was the extreme of openness ealier on, but now I've settled into the optimal state of open discernfulness.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,507
    Originally posted by Wootloops
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by Wootloops
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    Hold on here.  You bought a case for a GeForce GTX 690, but picked such a small case that some GeForce 8800 series card wouldn't fit?  I think you're doing something wrong here.  Where did you get your parts anyway?  And did you ask for help in picking parts from someone who knew anything?

    I got an Alienware PC, didn't make it myself; and good thing I didn't, for as you can see, if I had tried to make it myself, somehow Chernobyl would have happened all over again in my hosue.

    I think we've found the problem:  you spent way too much for a goofy hardware configuration that can't do what you want, even though a much cheaper, less exotic hardware configuration would have worked great for your needs.  I don't know if the problems you're having are of your own making or trying to fix problems that Dell created for you.

    Have you tried calling Dell and complaining to them that the computer they sold you doesn't work right?  If it's a recent purchase, you could also try returning it for a refund.  Even if they charge a 15% restocking fee, you'd come out way, way ahead if you get back the other 85% and spend it on something better suited to your needs.  For starters, if you want a lot of monitors, then you should pick a video card that is built to handle a lot of monitors.

    The computer works fine and does everything I want, I just broke it by messing with it, trying to solve an issue that I'm pretty sure isn't a computer issue in the first place, it's just an issue with GW2 in relation to the 690 (Which works fine with everything else), or just in general. And if anything, I need more exotic hardware, not less and cheaper. My command center is being held back by my 4 monitor cap at the moment, and by Windows being a terrible operating system that doesn't have virtual desktops.

    A simple Radeon HD 7970 gets you support for six monitors doing six completely independent things, and still plenty of GPU performance.  Asus made one with six monitor ports, though New Egg doesn't carry it anymore and Amazon is out of stock.  Google found it at some sites I'd never heard of.

    https://www.google.com/shopping/product/11337809166208781285?q=Asus+Radeon+HD+7970&hl=en&client=opera&hs=Seg&channel=suggest&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.43828540,d.dmg&biw=1280&bih=901&sa=X&ei=9JlIUaCtEtS04AOGtYHwCw&ved=0CB0QrRI

    HIS still makes a 7970 GHz Edition with six monitor ports.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161419

    And there's also the option of taking any ordinary 7970 and daisy-chaining (possibly the wrong term) the DisplayPort monitors, though that requires either getting a breakout box that may or may not exist yet or some particular monitors that support it.

    Those are expensive, but vastly cheaper than a GTX 690.  A lot easier to cool, too.  And you get to completely avoid the "what if SLI doesn't work right" issues that plague so many games.

    If you want to use a ton of monitors (which I'm sympathetic to), then you have special needs and should go out of your way to pick hardware that supports a ton of monitors.  Buying a video card without regards to monitor support and hoping to make it work for you isn't likely to end well.

  • WootloopsWootloops Member UncommonPosts: 165
    Originally posted by ichihaifu

    I lold hard here.

    A defense mechanism, no doubt. Truth can be hard to hear, but it will break through eventually. Even the tallest walls always fall.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,507
    Originally posted by Wootloops
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Wootloops

    My command center...

    Tell me, did you watch Die Hard 4 lately, or something? Just asking because that's the last time I heard someone call his computer room a "command center".

    You can't be the warlock though, since the warlock is good with computers ;)

    http://diehard.wikia.com/wiki/Warlock

    is being held back by my 4 monitor cap at the moment, and by Windows being a terrible operating system that doesn't have virtual desktops.

    If you want virtual desktops, there's a ton of freeware out there doing that just fine.

    Originally posted by Wootloops
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    If you want a lot of monitors, AMD/ATI offer better solutions overall too. Graphic card wise of course, you can still use a kickass Intel Core I7 processor with those.

    I want the most power and a lot of monitors, which is achiveable as I have it now, with a 690 and a second card for handling monitor overflow.

    Actually not. A single AMD HD7970 can handle 6 monitors. Put two of those instead your single 690 and you'd be out of monitor problems for the next century - and performance wise, 2x7970 beat the single 690 too.

    I love Diehard 4, but my command center is way better than his.

    As to virtual desktop freeware, I've tried them all, and they're all absolute garbage. They're slow laggy buggy crap.

    And as to the the 7970, both the 690 and 7970 in SLI can only run 3 monitors while in non-surround SLI mode (Not completely sure on the 7970), except that the 690 is only one card, allowing me to put a second card in the case (Only have 2 PCI-E slots), expanding my monitor capacity beyond 3. And AMD doesn't have a dual-GPU card to match, so I couldn't go with them.

    While there isn't an official Radeon HD 7990, there are some unofficial ones, such as PowerColor's Devil 13 card.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131479

    That has five monitor ports rather than six, though.

    Even so, buying one dual-GPU card is doing it wrong.  The only good reason to get a dual GPU card is if you want to get two of them for Quad SLI or CrossFireX.

    And if you want a lot of video cards, then why did you go out of your way to find an x79 motherboard that only has two PCI Express x16 slots?  That constitutes finding creative ways to cause trouble for yourself.

    This is why you ask for help before making a purchase, rather than after.  Well, apparently you don't.  But it's why you should.  Even if it's too late for this time, it's not too late for the next computer you'll buy.

  • clumsytoes44clumsytoes44 Member UncommonPosts: 463
    I generally don't post much here, but my biggest question is why buy a dell pc with a good name attatched to it? You could have gone to a Custom PC shop, spend around the same ammount or less, and get a better system that does exactly what you want or really close to it. And a good shop will go over the part's list with you and why they choose 1 brand or part over the other. The most expensive is not alway's the best. Andto get back on topic, If you read the Guild Wars 2 forum's the game is horribly optimized for high end system's.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,507
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Wootloops

    I love Diehard 4, but my command center is way better than his.

    Ok, now I know who you are... and I don't want to burst your bubble too much, but the guy in the movie had at least 10 computers all over the room connected to all those screens.

    And as to the the 7970, both the 690 and 7970 in SLI can only run 3 monitors while in non-surround SLI mode (Not completely sure on the 7970), except that the 690 is only one card, allowing me to put a second card in the case (Only have 2 PCI-E slots), expanding my monitor capacity beyond 3. And AMD doesn't have a dual-GPU card to match, so I couldn't go with them.

    Yes, you are not completely sure because it's wrong. And as I said, 2x7970 can handle 12 monitors total, and their combined power is higher than a single 690. I know for sure since a customer company of mine used those for digital signage giant displays.

    Or you wait a month or two and get the 7990 of course.

    If driving six monitors without doing computationally intensive stuff is the sole goal, then the AMD FirePro W600 is built for that specific purpose.

    The price tag for professional graphics cards would reasonably give one pause for consumer use, however, especially when you consider that what is under the hood is roughly a Radeon HD 7750 with drivers not optimized for gaming.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814195115

  • WootloopsWootloops Member UncommonPosts: 165
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Wootloops

    I love Diehard 4, but my command center is way better than his.

    Ok, now I know who you are... and I don't want to burst your bubble too much, but the guy in the movie had at least 10 computers all over the room connected to all those screens.

    And as to the the 7970, both the 690 and 7970 in SLI can only run 3 monitors while in non-surround SLI mode (Not completely sure on the 7970), except that the 690 is only one card, allowing me to put a second card in the case (Only have 2 PCI-E slots), expanding my monitor capacity beyond 3. And AMD doesn't have a dual-GPU card to match, so I couldn't go with them.

    Yes, you are not completely sure because it's wrong. And as I said, 2x7970 can handle 12 monitors total, and their combined power is higher than a single 690. I know for sure since a customer company of mine used those for digital signage giant displays.

    Or you wait a month or two and get the 7990 of course.

    If the 7970s can handle 12 monitors while in SLI then I made a catastrophic mistake. But that seems to good to be true.

    And Warlock had these tiny ass monitors spaced too far apart. I have a 50 inch as one of 4 computer monitors, plus a 32 inch for tv, plus another 32 inch for all 3 gaming consoles, plus two CRT tvs in stasis, plus my laptop, and plus 3 tablets acting as video loopers. The only thing he has on me is his chair.

  • ichihaifuichihaifu Member UncommonPosts: 280

    Fine then, let me be open and ask you where am I being wrong here, after which tell me how things actually are IN DETAIL:

    1. 690 can run 4 monitors indepently

    2. You can use 3 monitors for Vision Surround gaming and 4th one independently

    3. 690 has 3 DVI and 1 mini display port

    4. 690 has 4 ports which one of them is unusable

    5. 690 has 4 ports which one of them is unusable because of driver settings

    6. 690 cannot run  different sized screens at the same time

    7. 690 cannot run more than 2 different sized screens at the same time

    8. 690 cannot run more than 3 different sized screens at the same time

    9. Nvidia drivers dont support individual screen customization

     

    While I dont have an Nvidia card for myself, nor have had an Nvidia card ever before, I'm sure the drivers arent as incompetent for what you claim them to be. There must be an option for each individual screen. I mean my 5850 can run 3 monitors (each of different size and age, and on 3 different types of ports too - HDMI, displayport and DVI) just fine and I can customize them however I ever wanted, through just the drivers I have been given. 

  • ichihaifuichihaifu Member UncommonPosts: 280
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Nevermind, not worth my time.

    Yeah I'm about to reach this stage too. It all depends on the guys next answer on my question.

  • WootloopsWootloops Member UncommonPosts: 165
    Originally posted by ichihaifu

    Fine then, let me be open and ask you where am I being wrong here, after which tell me how things actually are IN DETAIL:

    1. 690 can run 4 monitors indepently

    2. You can use 3 monitors for Vision Surround gaming and 4th one independently

    3. 690 has 3 DVI and 1 mini display port

    4. 690 has 4 ports which one of them is unusable

    5. 690 has 4 ports which one of them is unusable because of driver settings

    6. 690 cannot run  different sized screens at the same time

    7. 690 cannot run more than 2 different sized screens at the same time

    8. 690 cannot run more than 3 different sized screens at the same time

    9. Nvidia drivers dont support individual screen customization

     

    While I dont have an Nvidia card for myself, nor have had an Nvidia card ever before, I'm sure the drivers arent as incompetent for what you claim them to be. There must be an option for each individual screen. I mean my 5850 can run 3 monitors (each of different size and age, and on 3 different types of ports too - HDMI, displayport and DVI) just fine and I can customize them however I ever wanted, through just the drivers I have been given. 

    http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/sli/system-requirements

    Choose the 690, then Multi GPU, then Multi GPU On, and be enlightened by glorious truth.

  • WootloopsWootloops Member UncommonPosts: 165
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Nevermind, not worth my time.

    Do not let envy cloud your mind. If you collected some old electronics laying around, you could probably start your own command center too.

  • ichihaifuichihaifu Member UncommonPosts: 280
    You gloriously avoided my question. Goodbye.
  • WootloopsWootloops Member UncommonPosts: 165
    Originally posted by clumsytoes44
    I generally don't post much here, but my biggest question is why buy a dell pc with a good name attatched to it? You could have gone to a Custom PC shop, spend around the same ammount or less, and get a better system that does exactly what you want or really close to it. And a good shop will go over the part's list with you and why they choose 1 brand or part over the other. The most expensive is not alway's the best. Andto get back on topic, If you read the Guild Wars 2 forum's the game is horribly optimized for high end system's.

    I got my last two computers from CyberPowerPC, which would have made my current comp cost 1k cheaper, but both my computers from them were the most buggy and defective pieces of crap ever, developing problem after problem and never working right. Decided I'd spend more to have the computer actually be reliable this time, and so far it's been the case. There are probably places that will sell cheaper and not be crap like CyberPowePC but I didn't want to risk it and went with a known brand.

  • KniknaxKniknax Member UncommonPosts: 576

    Take out the old old old graphics card, leave the super fast 690 in, plug in your second monitor to the 690, or your third monitor (as the 690 can span across 3 monitors on its own!) and then upgrade your drivers.

    Done.

    "When people don't know much about something, they tend to fill in the blanks the way they want them to be filled in. They are almost always disappointed." - Will Wright

  • WootloopsWootloops Member UncommonPosts: 165
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    While there isn't an official Radeon HD 7990, there are some unofficial ones, such as PowerColor's Devil 13 card.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131479

    That has five monitor ports rather than six, though.

    Even so, buying one dual-GPU card is doing it wrong.  The only good reason to get a dual GPU card is if you want to get two of them for Quad SLI or CrossFireX.

    And if you want a lot of video cards, then why did you go out of your way to find an x79 motherboard that only has two PCI Express x16 slots?  That constitutes finding creative ways to cause trouble for yourself.

    This is why you ask for help before making a purchase, rather than after.  Well, apparently you don't.  But it's why you should.  Even if it's too late for this time, it's not too late for the next computer you'll buy.

    Alienware was the only brand I trusted (Other than Falcon Northwest, which actually cost like 1k more), as my last two PCs were garbage that I got from a smaller, cheaper company. Didn't want to risk getting garbage again, so I didn't really have a choice other than Alienware, which only has desktops with 2 slots.

  • Gaia_HunterGaia_Hunter Member UncommonPosts: 3,066
    Originally posted by Wootloops
    Originally posted by ichihaifu
    You gloriously avoided my question. Goodbye.

    You merely chose not to see the answer. Such is the power of fear and ego.

    From your link the GTX 690 can run 4 monitors.

    Currently playing: GW2
    Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders

  • WootloopsWootloops Member UncommonPosts: 165
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by Wootloops
    Originally posted by ichihaifu
    You gloriously avoided my question. Goodbye.

    You merely chose not to see the answer. Such is the power of fear and ego.

    From your link the GTX 690 can run 4 monitors.

    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzEHVajkxNpRZGhKWmpPZkJ2cDQ/edit?usp=sharing

  • Gaia_HunterGaia_Hunter Member UncommonPosts: 3,066
    Originally posted by Wootloops
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by Wootloops
    Originally posted by ichihaifu
    You gloriously avoided my question. Goodbye.

    You merely chose not to see the answer. Such is the power of fear and ego.

    From your link the GTX 690 can run 4 monitors.

    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzEHVajkxNpRZGhKWmpPZkJ2cDQ/edit?usp=sharing

    You can run four monitors as long you are using 3 to game.

    Currently playing: GW2
    Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,507
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by Wootloops
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by Wootloops
    Originally posted by ichihaifu
    You gloriously avoided my question. Goodbye.

    You merely chose not to see the answer. Such is the power of fear and ego.

    From your link the GTX 690 can run 4 monitors.

    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzEHVajkxNpRZGhKWmpPZkJ2cDQ/edit?usp=sharing

    You can run four monitors as long you are using 3 to game.

    But he doesn't want a game on three monitors.  He wants a game on one monitor.

    It's not just how many monitors you can plug in (though AMD wins there, too).  It's what you can do with them.  All GPUs that power discrete Radeon HD 7000 series cards (except rebrands of older cards) can take six monitors doing six independent things.  Many particular discrete cards don't have the appropriate monitor ports for this, but you can readily pick one that does.

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