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There are no raids... can you live with that?
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GW2 sold 3 million of copies, they dont have more than 3 millions of players actively playing, the popultaion drop was even more faster that D3,and probably an this point even STO have more active players than GW2 and one of the reason of that drop was the lack of pregression and endgame. Talking about TESO, if the focus in the endgame is the PvP, then they dont need raids.
There is not that many really. I do know they do well but the biggest MMOs all seem to have raids. EQ1, DAoC, WoW and Rift to name a few. None raid games that are doing well are what? GW2 and TSW?
Evil, you clearly lack reading comprehension. The main story is 100% solo. They're saying you arent playing the game solo -- You can pass non-story line based quests around and quest outside the main story with each other. But the main story, ala the main story quests in Skyrim, you are phased off, alone, no other human interaction.
Do you have a link that tells this?
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And yet Blizzard stated publicly that the reason they made group and raid finders was due to the FACT that such a small percentage of their players did the content...
WoW was not popular due to raids, it was popular due to the amount of varied content it brought.
i think you might be the one with a problem.
where does it specifically say "non story quest only" in the portion about grouping with friends? can you point that out please?
LFR was made because it made it more convenient to do raids. Even in Vanilla and BC and WOTLK you'd have to spam in town unless you have a full raiding guild. And most WoW players agree LFR is an amazing feature. Plus, there are a lot of dead servers on WoW that people arent willing to re-roll but it gives them the opportunity to raid.
What content was there to do in Vanilla and BC? Most the casuals problem was Vanilla and BC was raid or PVP or die. 40 person Molten Core is still one of my most fond MMO memories.
In this poll it seems almost 30% want raids. Thats not a small % so far. 14ish years of MMOing and I have yet to be a member of a guild that didnt raid. Always seemed about 20-30% of the members were active raiders and about 1/2 were peekaboo raiders. Shwoing up once in a while to join in. Where did Blizzard say only a small % were raiders because my guess thats a missquote. If it was a small % why do they keep adding new raids and it seems to be their main elder game? Like the Thunderking I think is the newest.
What part of "main story is 100% solo" Did you not understand? The solo or the 100% part?
He's 100% wrong. Matt Firor said in a early interview about the game that the Main Personal Storyline can be soloed, but can also be done with friends if the player chooses.
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exactly, 100% solo means you can solo it and dont NEED a group to complete it not you cant do it with friends.
dude needs to go back to troll school.
Sounds perfect for me and my friends. I can more then live without sitting in a 25 man group of preteen children whos mothers are trying to call them to dinner over thier crackly open mics. (kidding lol)
this just shows the game is more focused on small content and pvp which is honestly a larger draw to games these days because lets face it. If we wanted to raid ala warcraft, wed go play warcraft. Not that im against end game by any means. I loved 40 man vanilla WoW. I just am 30 now and do not care so much for that kind of time sync. Id rather spend it selfishly cutting off the fn heads of thine enemy!
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In all the combined years I played WoW I've never raided or any MMO for that matter. Not a case of lack of time or ability, I simple have no interest in doing so. Its always felt to me like, the larger a PvE encounter gets the less I'm actually playing the game.
30% of 135'000'000 bucks a month is a lot of cheese lol. Who would run a business and chuck out even 20% of their possible profits?
This is absolutely not true, Blizzard made raiding more accessible and introduced the LFR to accommodate casual players who complained that they couldn't experience raid content and were missing out on a lot of the story arcs.
Plus almost every guild tries raiding at some point, it's a natural part of progressing through the content. I don't know why people have such a problem with having raid content in games. No one's forcing you to do it (I certainly don't have the time for it these days) but it provides challenges and unique encounters that keep people playing, that's not a bad thing.
the data will be skewed in this thread as the title has "raid" in it and draws people who feel strongly about the subject one way or another. the poll just says that of the people that came into this thread and actually bothered to vote (small number), 30% said they wanted it. what is the sample size? how many views vs how many responses? with a pre-skewed result due to the thread name.
the raiding population is fairly small, all in all. i spent 3-4 years in a top 25 USA wow progression guild and i can tell you the amount of people who care to raid is miniscule compared to the amount of people that play to just run around and do random things. mmo developers are finally moving on from the raiding phase of MMO's into less traveled waters, a change that is overdue and overly welcome in the eyes of a vast majority.
*edited because whole thing didn't get posted when i hit submit the fist time...
Hmm lets see now. TES, a series based on open world, open racial and faction choices being made into an MMO based on DaoC closed world, closed faction racial/faction choices to use a design played by around 250,000 people 13 years ago, a design that has been used by how many games since? And thus NOT played by the 20+ million newer MMORPG players around the world today...
So...what do we have here? An MMO being made with the limitations expierenced by around 1% of the MMO players in the world and known by 0% of the IPs fanbase that has not played DaoC...and you are worried about RAIDS?!? lol. Whatever.
I don't care if raids are in or out at launch, they can always add them later. DAoC did not start with raids, they were introduced in the Shrouded Isles xpack. Until then the whole endgame was Frontier RvR, and it worked.
I'll likely be in Cyrodiil the whole time anyway.
Just want to point out, the only themepark since WoW to release with a sub, and keep enough subscribers to not warrent going FTP (Rift), has ample endgame/raids....me thinks there is some corralation with having a veriaty of endgame content, and keeping playiers...
Thats true but the people who wish they could raid, do you think they would pick a MMO that does not have raids, with now a 0% chance they could raid? Myself I will buy the game even just to play the content and do some AvA but if a better 3 faction PvP game comes out with raids and everything else I like.... (((shrugs)))
LOL this. Even if you dont want to raid its good for the game.