The only people who would not want a try before you buy is one who doesn't believe their product is good enough to pay money for.
Really?
So everybody who sells food doesn't believe in their product? Everybody who sells furniture?
You see how foolish your statement is now.
Every restaurant I have been too: High end, mcdonalds, hotel... have provided a sample when I asked for it. Every single one.
In grocery stores I have tried their foods at other places before I bought them.
Every furntiure store I have ever been too has let me sit on the couch, lie on the bed... before I bought them. Every single one.
Your statement is foolish.
edit - I may not be able to try everything on the menu but I can try enough to decide if I like their food, just like a free trial.
Do they let you read the book, before you buy it... ?
Your anologies stop right there. Now try to deal with real world stuff and stop playing those silly games.
Companies are to support their subscribers... the reason MMORPG have died off is because they have been trying to support unpaid vistiors. The idea that every MMORPG has to have 5+ million people is absurd. The idea that other must "try it" before they buy it is absurd... for a premium mmorpg.
Now, if the game is just an arcade game... no big deal you presence and then lack of presence doesn't impact the game world. But, when you have 30k influx of "trial-tards" imploding a new game for 3 months.. , then leaving... leave a big whole on the economy and the long term players who did and will continue to support said game.
Such trial offers disrupt service and do not work... two-fold, bcuz if your customer doesn't have $30 bucks to start with... then chances are they eat MCDOnalds everydays and will be happy with any non-premium (thus mediocre) game.
Makes you wonder how all those kids did it playing Meridian & UO when internet was by the minute.. plus game sub. Makes you also wonder how teenagers today can't cut a few lawn a week to fuel their hobby... but instead seek handouts.
Actually kinda urks me when people go sit on Barnes & Noble's lounge chairs or at the snack bar and read like it was a library.
Its not a library? Trick is to go in for an 8 hour break and read 3-4 books for free. Its fabulous.
Nope. The word "sampler" was invented by companies. Companies know if they can get you to try their product they have a greater chance of getting you hooked. Even better percentages than advertising. In gaming this benefits us because the game makers have only one week to convince us their game rocks. The pressure is on and they are forced to make better games. Everyone wins.
"Sampler". I like that. Reminds me of the people you see at the Cosco getting in line 15 times for sample hors d'oeuvres.
It is way better. You don't have to get in line, and no one will give you the boot if you keep getting the free stuff.
Erm... now we, as consumers, are saying that product trials are a bad thing?
uh .. no. Where did i say it is a bad thing. Didn't i say "it is way better"?
ack.. I actually meant to remove you from the quote, I was talking to Dave. Sorry about that.
The only people who would not want a try before you buy is one who doesn't believe their product is good enough to pay money for.
Really?
So everybody who sells food doesn't believe in their product? Everybody who sells furniture?
You see how foolish your statement is now.
Every restaurant I have been too: High end, mcdonalds, hotel... have provided a sample when I asked for it. Every single one.
In grocery stores I have tried their foods at other places before I bought them.
Every furntiure store I have ever been too has let me sit on the couch, lie on the bed... before I bought them. Every single one.
Your statement is foolish.
edit - I may not be able to try everything on the menu but I can try enough to decide if I like their food, just like a free trial.
Do they let you read the book, before you buy it... ?
Your anologies stop right there. Now try to deal with real world stuff and stop playing those silly games.
Companies are to support their subscribers... the reason MMORPG have died off is because they have been trying to support unpaid vistiors. The idea that every MMORPG has to have 5+ million people is absurd. The idea that other must "try it" before they buy it is absurd... for a premium mmorpg.
Now, if the game is just an arcade game... no big deal you presence and then lack of presence doesn't impact the game world. But, when you have 30k influx of "trial-tards" imploding a new game for 3 months.. , then leaving... leave a big whole on the economy and the long term players who did and will continue to support said game.
Such trial offers disrupt service and do not work... two-fold, bcuz if your customer doesn't have $30 bucks to start with... then chances are they eat MCDOnalds everydays and will be happy with any non-premium (thus mediocre) game.
Makes you wonder how all those kids did it playing Meridian & UO when internet was by the minute.. plus game sub. Makes you also wonder how teenagers today can't cut a few lawn a week to fuel their hobby... but instead seek handouts.
Actually kinda urks me when people go sit on Barnes & Noble's lounge chairs or at the snack bar and read like it was a library.
Books - yes they let me peruse the book, read a few pages, or much more depending on the store (chapters, barnesn & noble), enough to decide if I like it. Just like a free trial.
Trial offers are a great idea to get people into the game. It definately works.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
Originally posted by JemcrystalActually kinda urks me when people go sit on Barnes & Noble's lounge chairs or at the snack bar and read like it was a library.
I too feel a bit guilty when taking for free something which took others a lot of time and energy to make available. Sadly more and more people feel entitled to something for nothing.
Originally posted by nariusseldon You care too much....
Perhaps you think he cares to much; and others think your only purpose on this site is to antagonize others. :P
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon. In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
Originally posted by JemcrystalActually kinda urks me when people go sit on Barnes & Noble's lounge chairs or at the snack bar and read like it was a library.
I too feel a bit guilty when taking for free something which took others a lot of time and energy to make available. Sadly more and more people feel entitled to something for nothing.
Originally posted by nariusseldon You care too much....
Perhaps you think he cares to much; and others think your only purpose on this site is to antagonize others. :P
I can't stop what other think about me, and that is no reason not to express my opinion. I am sure others are not shy about expressing their opinions about me. It is a pretty fair world.
Perhaps you think he cares to much; and others think your only purpose on this site is to antagonize others. :P
I can't stop what other think about me, and that is no reason not to express my opinion. I am sure others are not shy about expressing their opinions about me. It is a pretty fair world.
Huh? What planet are you from? Because there's nothing fair when it comes to human beings and the Earth. What a naive thing to say.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Perhaps you think he cares to much; and others think your only purpose on this site is to antagonize others. :P
I can't stop what other think about me, and that is no reason not to express my opinion. I am sure others are not shy about expressing their opinions about me. It is a pretty fair world.
Huh? What planet are you from? Because there's nothing fair when it comes to human beings and the Earth. What a naive thing to say.
Regarding opinions, it is pretty fair. You air your opinions, and i air mine. For example, it is of my opinion that you completely miss my point. And i am sure you will say what you want.
While I admit DDO does a decent job, and perhaps a few others, by far and large the F2P arena is about as viable as processed fast food. A lot of folks are served, and very few are ever satisfied - some even get that "sick" feeling in their stomachs.
If EA said that the majority world (which of course is research stemmed from a huge overseas population), I'm even happier to state that I hate, loathe and despise F2P cash shop models. It's always good to know I'm with the good guys.
While I admit DDO does a decent job, and perhaps a few others, by far and large the F2P arena is about as viable as processed fast food. A lot of folks are served, and very few are ever satisfied - some even get that "sick" feeling in their stomachs.
If EA said that the majority world (which of course is research stemmed from a huge overseas population), I'm even happier to state that I hate, loathe and despise F2P cash shop models. It's always good to know I'm with the good guys.
DDO, STO, LOTRO .. there are quite a few fun MMOs .. at least to me.
Good guys .. LOL ... it is just a preference on video games. We are not fighting terrorists here.
And data shows that in the US, F2P players outnumber P2P 6 to 1.
It is great that some Arcader's are part of the growing online market, it bring alot of new types of games into the midst. Unfortunately, alot of those newer games have been labled MMOs, etc..
^ but let's remember, this is the Pub at MMORPG.com
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
While I admit DDO does a decent job, and perhaps a few others, by far and large the F2P arena is about as viable as processed fast food. A lot of folks are served, and very few are ever satisfied - some even get that "sick" feeling in their stomachs.
If EA said that the majority world (which of course is research stemmed from a huge overseas population), I'm even happier to state that I hate, loathe and despise F2P cash shop models. It's always good to know I'm with the good guys.
DDO, STO, LOTRO .. there are quite a few fun MMOs .. at least to me.
Good guys .. LOL ... it is just a preference on video games. We are not fighting terrorists here.
And data shows that in the US, F2P players outnumber P2P 6 to 1.
Personally, i think F2P is great, and i won't play a sub game.
I agree, having a F2P option to an MMO that also has a sub option is a great combination for revenue. The problem is when you try to seperate F2P importance to P2P importance because they are often in the same game. Of the titles listed above and on that site only Aion has no sub option along side it's F2P option. It hasn't done well.
Adding a F2P route for P2P titles has added a lot of players to the MMO fold, which is fantastic. Without proper seperation between "F2P revenue" and "P2P revenue" per title there will always be a * next to F2P as it is misleading.
While I admit DDO does a decent job, and perhaps a few others, by far and large the F2P arena is about as viable as processed fast food. A lot of folks are served, and very few are ever satisfied - some even get that "sick" feeling in their stomachs.
If EA said that the majority world (which of course is research stemmed from a huge overseas population), I'm even happier to state that I hate, loathe and despise F2P cash shop models. It's always good to know I'm with the good guys.
DDO, STO, LOTRO .. there are quite a few fun MMOs .. at least to me.
Good guys .. LOL ... it is just a preference on video games. We are not fighting terrorists here.
And data shows that in the US, F2P players outnumber P2P 6 to 1.
Personally, i think F2P is great, and i won't play a sub game.
I agree, having a F2P option to an MMO that also has a sub option is a great combination for revenue. The problem is when you try to seperate F2P importance to P2P importance because they are often in the same game. Of the titles listed above and on that site only Aion has no sub option along side it's F2P option. It hasn't done well.
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Its not a library? Trick is to go in for an 8 hour break and read 3-4 books for free. Its fabulous.
ack.. I actually meant to remove you from the quote, I was talking to Dave. Sorry about that.
@Phelcer
Books - yes they let me peruse the book, read a few pages, or much more depending on the store (chapters, barnesn & noble), enough to decide if I like it. Just like a free trial.
Trial offers are a great idea to get people into the game. It definately works.
You care too much. Why would you care what others do or don't do in a B&N? Are you a stockholder?
I too feel a bit guilty when taking for free something which took others a lot of time and energy to make available. Sadly more and more people feel entitled to something for nothing.
Perhaps you think he cares to much; and others think your only purpose on this site is to antagonize others. :P
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
I can't stop what other think about me, and that is no reason not to express my opinion. I am sure others are not shy about expressing their opinions about me. It is a pretty fair world.
Huh? What planet are you from? Because there's nothing fair when it comes to human beings and the Earth. What a naive thing to say.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Regarding opinions, it is pretty fair. You air your opinions, and i air mine. For example, it is of my opinion that you completely miss my point. And i am sure you will say what you want.
And see .. we both get to post whatever we want.
While I admit DDO does a decent job, and perhaps a few others, by far and large the F2P arena is about as viable as processed fast food. A lot of folks are served, and very few are ever satisfied - some even get that "sick" feeling in their stomachs.
If EA said that the majority world (which of course is research stemmed from a huge overseas population), I'm even happier to state that I hate, loathe and despise F2P cash shop models. It's always good to know I'm with the good guys.
DDO, STO, LOTRO .. there are quite a few fun MMOs .. at least to me.
Good guys .. LOL ... it is just a preference on video games. We are not fighting terrorists here.
And data shows that in the US, F2P players outnumber P2P 6 to 1.
http://www.superdataresearch.com/us-free-to-play-does-it-pay-to-switch/
So no .. not just from overseas.
Personally, i think F2P is great, and i won't play a sub game.
It is great that some Arcader's are part of the growing online market, it bring alot of new types of games into the midst. Unfortunately, alot of those newer games have been labled MMOs, etc..
^ but let's remember, this is the Pub at MMORPG.com
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
I agree, having a F2P option to an MMO that also has a sub option is a great combination for revenue. The problem is when you try to seperate F2P importance to P2P importance because they are often in the same game. Of the titles listed above and on that site only Aion has no sub option along side it's F2P option. It hasn't done well.
Adding a F2P route for P2P titles has added a lot of players to the MMO fold, which is fantastic. Without proper seperation between "F2P revenue" and "P2P revenue" per title there will always be a * next to F2P as it is misleading.
I don't disagree. A F2P option is always good.
Yeah...
Free to play is always a good option when u don't have money and don't care about the game you are playing... & just looking to kill time.
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon