and the word for the day is ....."Shill"

stragen001

Originally posted by will75

Originally posted by Melloz

Originally posted by stragen001

Originally posted by Dihoru
By the sheer amount of hype CU is getting for a game we haven't even seen gameplay footage of I have to say it is a bit... strange... Designs, ideas, etc are all well and good but why are there 4-5 CU threads up at any one time on the front page 3/4s of the day? While hired shills might cost money I think MJ is doing his best to get people rilled up to becoming defacto shills... christ I will bet you 20 $ that if someone posts "Should CU be F2P" 10-20 people will jump on him/her calling that person ignorant, or a F2P fanatic, etc which on a forum smells awfully like shilling for a game.

I dont think they are PAID shills, rather rabid fanboys. Infact, I would say pretty much every rabid fanboy has paid MJ to be one by donating to the kickstarter campaign. Because they have invested thier own money in the game, it takes the rabidity of their fanboyism to a whole new level. (Yes, I may have invented some new words in that sentence)

There is legitimate interest in this game, because apparently it is the game that all of the WTFPWN Full Loot Open World PVP fans have been waiting for. Whether MJ is just telling them what they want to hear to get their money remains to be seen. 

The fact that there has been NO ACTUAL WORK completed on the game so far, rather than outlining what they WANT to do, should make anyone suspicious...especially considering what they want to do seems to keep on changing.

 

 

I don't really agree that what they want to do has kept changing.  in fact, they've not changed many things that would have helped the kickstarter.  The only thing I've seen change is what they planned to show off during the kickstarter based on complaints from people.  There's a fine line between providing what people want and changing though.

That said, I agree with the rest of your post, and I'm a backer.  People should be suspicious.  I wouldn't back almost any other kickerstarter for the very same reason.  There's no real guarantees you'll get what you pay for.  The only reason I'm willing to take that risk on this project is that it does promoise all of that WTFPWN Open World RvR that I've been looking for and no other game is aiming for something similar.  And I would only expect people of similar interests to be willing to do so.

I do wish some backers would de-personalize things a bit.  I also wish that others that seem to take the ideas MJ has come with for this game would take his critisisms less personally and just shake their heads from the sidelines.  Pretty hopeless wishes though with any group of people.  Especially on the internet.

I'm surprised it took so long for someone to respond to this guys trolling. If his post isn't worth a 1 day ban.. my non backer = carebear thread shouldn't of cost me a 24 hour ban .. lmao

I hope you arent calling me a troll? I thought my post was well reasoned and I explained my point of view. Would you mind explaining what you thought was trollish?

naezgul

Originally posted by topographic

Originally posted by Melloz

Originally posted by topographic

No, I highly doubt anyone is using shills.

Many seasoned gamers realize (and most big game companies) that gamers are generally gullible creatures, and will back just about anything if someone speaks the right words and drugs them with marketing materials.

It's kind if like date-rape, but with video games. 

Part of the reason I trust this project more is because there's no shinny marketting materials.  Their project's layout and presentation has been amateurish.

That's fine, but I've been "date-raped" by MJ twice now (DAoC-ToA, WAR), so a third date isn't likely to happen no matter how much he sweet talks me.

Once I see a working game, I'll decide if we're going to see each other again.

You played one...probably enjoyed it for a decent amount of time. The other was a miss...aren't most of them?

remember, most everything coming out has been trying to compete with WoW, in doing so they have lost ingenuity and vision.

and when someone is calling the shots with THIS QUARTER ECONOMICS, and IP's tie your hands you don't have much going for you.....even with a larger budget

meadmoon

Originally posted by stragen001

Originally posted by will75

Originally posted by Melloz

Originally posted by stragen001

Originally posted by Dihoru
By the sheer amount of hype CU is getting for a game we haven't even seen gameplay footage of I have to say it is a bit... strange... Designs, ideas, etc are all well and good but why are there 4-5 CU threads up at any one time on the front page 3/4s of the day? While hired shills might cost money I think MJ is doing his best to get people rilled up to becoming defacto shills... christ I will bet you 20 $ that if someone posts "Should CU be F2P" 10-20 people will jump on him/her calling that person ignorant, or a F2P fanatic, etc which on a forum smells awfully like shilling for a game.

I dont think they are PAID shills, rather rabid fanboys. Infact, I would say pretty much every rabid fanboy has paid MJ to be one by donating to the kickstarter campaign. Because they have invested thier own money in the game, it takes the rabidity of their fanboyism to a whole new level. (Yes, I may have invented some new words in that sentence)

There is legitimate interest in this game, because apparently it is the game that all of the WTFPWN Full Loot Open World PVP fans have been waiting for. Whether MJ is just telling them what they want to hear to get their money remains to be seen. 

The fact that there has been NO ACTUAL WORK completed on the game so far, rather than outlining what they WANT to do, should make anyone suspicious...especially considering what they want to do seems to keep on changing.

 

 

I don't really agree that what they want to do has kept changing.  in fact, they've not changed many things that would have helped the kickstarter.  The only thing I've seen change is what they planned to show off during the kickstarter based on complaints from people.  There's a fine line between providing what people want and changing though.

That said, I agree with the rest of your post, and I'm a backer.  People should be suspicious.  I wouldn't back almost any other kickerstarter for the very same reason.  There's no real guarantees you'll get what you pay for.  The only reason I'm willing to take that risk on this project is that it does promoise all of that WTFPWN Open World RvR that I've been looking for and no other game is aiming for something similar.  And I would only expect people of similar interests to be willing to do so.

I do wish some backers would de-personalize things a bit.  I also wish that others that seem to take the ideas MJ has come with for this game would take his critisisms less personally and just shake their heads from the sidelines.  Pretty hopeless wishes though with any group of people.  Especially on the internet.

I'm surprised it took so long for someone to respond to this guys trolling. If his post isn't worth a 1 day ban.. my non backer = carebear thread shouldn't of cost me a 24 hour ban .. lmao

I hope you arent calling me a troll? I thought my post was well reasoned and I explained my point of view. Would you mind explaining what you thought was trollish?

troll verb 'trol

noun

1: anyone who disagrees with you

2: anyone you would like to insult without getting banned from a forum

MarkJacobs

Folks,

    Just to be clear:

1. No. I never have nor ever will employ a shill or online reputation manager. I think it is a despicable practice and no matter how desperate, I would not, nor ever have, resort to it.

2. I have also not offered any kind of "Bring-A-Friend" promotion with our backers (even though it might generate additional revenue) because we are Kickstarting and IMO, it would be ethically wrong to do so (unlike a LIVE game). This BAF would also include any sort of bonus, extra perk, payment, etc.

   Right now this forum is full of strong emotions (or at least the appearance of it) on both sides of the "Should CU fund" coin. Why can't we all just take it down a notch, pro-CU posters and con-CU posters?

Mark

Edits due to Sunday morning in the office, slowly waking up.

AilsaH

I'm a pretty new member of this site but I wanted to just throw in my 2c.  My only motive for trying to get others to back this project  is because I sincerely want it to be made.  I am just hoping that there are enough of people like me who will back it.

stragen001

Originally posted by Xobdnas

As small as CS is right now paying someone to promote a game that they aren't even sure will fund would not make much sense.

If you have a kickstarter act go look at the comments. I think it has more to do with 1. people being desperate for an old school MMO. and 2. appealing to a dedicated niche audience.

The big question is, how big is that niche audience. I would say CU might get around 50-100k players. With 7k people already having backed the KS campaign, are there many more that are willing to?

BlueTiger33

I know of 4 people that are specifically posting for CU. Not sure if paid or not nor care. Do you really care if someone is getting paid or poor? Me, I don't.

Now for a name, I know they don't allow call out threads so I'll say his name starts with "bb".

morbuskabis

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Originally posted by stragen001

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Originally posted by Xobdnas As small as CS is right now paying someone to promote a game that they aren't even sure will fund would not make much sense. If you have a kickstarter act go look at the comments. I think it has more to do with 1. people being desperate for an old school MMO. and 2. appealing to a dedicated niche audience.

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The big question is, how big is that niche audience. I would say CU might get around 50-100k players. With 7k people already having backed the KS campaign, are there many more that are willing to?

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As soon they let ppl pledge with PayPal you gonna have heaps of EU ppl pledging. Moste german and french ppl don't have credit cards....

Tumblebutz

Originally posted by Hairysun

I'll just post some of my favorite definitions from various sources around the interwebs....

 

- A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing he has a close relationship with the person or organization.

 

- Shill, a person engaged in covert advertising. The shill attempts to spread buzz by personally endorsing the product in public forums.

 

Every supporter of the game who has posted on any forum is a shill by this definition.

Vaross

These forums are for discussions of Camelot Unchained, not how other people are discussing Camelot Unchained.

 

If you believe someone is being paid to advertise for a game then please report them and the moderators will investigate further.