Originally posted by Iselin Originally posted by BadSpockOriginally posted by DistopiaOriginally posted by ShakyMo People who like wow are already playing wow. Make a game exactly like wow, people burn through it in a couple of months and then return to wow as it has all their friends in it and 9 years worth of content. Your game basicly becomes a mini wow expansion until the next wow update cones along.
The real key is keeping people after the intial fun wears off (questing, story, etc..) this is where so many games have failed, the questing and general game-play wasn't the real issue, it was the lack of everything else. They're banking on PVP right now for that. WHo knows how that will turn out at this point, but those who have tried it in the past failed, AOC totally refocused efforts toward PVE after release, same with TOR, same with many many others as they always failed to get PVP right. Will Zenimax? I don't know. WHich is why I am not considering it for a long term game at present.Funny how much people on this site rally against "End Game" - I myself have in the past, until you realize the pattern in the industry and why WoW stays strong and people keep coming and going back.Unless of course you enjoy the sandbox niche, in which PvP is your end game just about every time.Themepark with PvP end game has thus far never really worked - DAOC was not nearly as successful and popular as people here seem to think it was.DAoC's popularity and success can be viewed in all kinds of relative ways: are we looking at it using WOW as the measure? Are we including the whole world or just the west?
DaoC had 250k active subscribers in the summer of 2001. In those days, for the western world, that was not peanuts. Only EQ had more and the vast majority of DAoC players came from EQ. UO and AC were in decline and god only knows what portion of Lineage's population was in the West.
Compared to WOW's success, all others pale by comparison. WOW was also the "gateway" MMO that attracted hordes of new players. All MMO subs post-WOW have to be looked at in view of the humongous MMO player base that exists now compared to those early days.
DAoC had targetted 50K subs as their measure of success. They got 5 times that. Not too shabby.
100% this ^^
when i first started playing mmo's, EQ and Daoc were the top dogs, at least in the west.
they are the first mmo's that introduced me to the genre and will always be my favorites.
Just look at his name, think he might be a fanboy of a certain game bashing another game thats coming out? As for me i like to play the game before i go judging it.
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Sorry to tell you buddy but what you se at this point is what you get....
Not at all - the video from PAX looked so damn good and 10x better than this one. Nice try though.
Funny how much people on this site rally against "End Game" - I myself have in the past, until you realize the pattern in the industry and why WoW stays strong and people keep coming and going back. Unless of course you enjoy the sandbox niche, in which PvP is your end game just about every time. Themepark with PvP end game has thus far never really worked - DAOC was not nearly as successful and popular as people here seem to think it was.
DAoC's popularity and success can be viewed in all kinds of relative ways: are we looking at it using WOW as the measure? Are we including the whole world or just the west?
DaoC had 250k active subscribers in the summer of 2001. In those days, for the western world, that was not peanuts. Only EQ had more and the vast majority of DAoC players came from EQ. UO and AC were in decline and god only knows what portion of Lineage's population was in the West.
Compared to WOW's success, all others pale by comparison. WOW was also the "gateway" MMO that attracted hordes of new players. All MMO subs post-WOW have to be looked at in view of the humongous MMO player base that exists now compared to those early days.
DAoC had targetted 50K subs as their measure of success. They got 5 times that. Not too shabby.
100% this ^^
when i first started playing mmo's, EQ and Daoc were the top dogs, at least in the west.
they are the first mmo's that introduced me to the genre and will always be my favorites.
Just look at his name, think he might be a fanboy of a certain game bashing another game thats coming out? As for me i like to play the game before i go judging it.