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This. I think its great that there is positive approach to a great idea. However there are too many variables that would cause problems. This idea pitch would work "maybe" in a board room with individuals that are planning to be your sponsers. However when you pitch a game to gamers and ask for their cash, you better bring a hell of a lot more.
I won't donate money to something that is not concrete and is still technically in its conceptual phase.
If i pledge my $5, and i dont like what i see over the next 10 or so days, can i remove my backing ? xD
Of course.
Just to question the philosophy. Army of Socrates.
You'd have tons more money if everytime someone vaguely interested in the game brought up a question and wasn't told "SORRY,THIS GAME WONT BE FOR YOU,STFU". Well, they shut up and put their wallets up.
It's probably the communities own fault
The Deep Web is sca-ry.
They want to see something that CU isn't offering - that was the point of the analogy. To use your analogy though it would be like you offering a cake recipe to someone and them telling you they want to actually see the frosting in person.
Maby because there is no game.
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
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And there is nothing wrong with wanting to see more. The time differential between backing and a finished product is fairly long, and beside that, they have every right to say "You keep asking for my money, well here is what it will take to get it." You wanted to know how to earn their backing, they told you and the majority of CU backers go "Well there isn't any of that so deal with it, this is what you get and you should be happy." Unsurprisingly, those people are more than happy to not back it and spend that money elsewhere.
@OP You are asking us to give money to a game, some of us are willing to do so. The other half unfortunately do not want to and we are allowed to give you our reasons why. I would suggest focusing on answering questions and reassuring everyone the reason why donating is a good idea. You are instead getting off topic and starting to derail your own thread by trying to argue our opinions. This does not help anyone and weakens your pitch.
Stay on topic please yeah?
Maybe because it's stll in kickstarter?
And people seeing through the lens of not WANTING to see a game here will never seen one, even after launch haha.
There's already enough content for a decent table top RPG game.
Depends on your definition of game/content though. Their engine is looking very promising from the tech demos we've seen. (build in house too)
The irony of all the "there's nothing there yet" posts is that the people posting that aren't keeping up with all the "stuff" that is actually out there, so it's more out of a place of ignorance than anything.
Instead they should say "I don't think this is a game because I haven't looked up all the tangible things that actually do exist, so as long as I don't look it up, it doesn't exist right?"
Is that like an ostrich sticking it's head in the sand to escape predators? LOL
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You mean then try to use Kickstarter to sell a bunch of pre-orders.
From the Kickstarter site: Kickstarter is a new way to fund creative projects.
So... you want someone to build their game, and then put it on Kickstarter. And what exactly are they Kickstarting?
Most games on kickstarter have atleast a workable alfa to show off.
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
Now here is a man with sense. You summed up my feeling about it better than I could relate them.
Just to question the philosophy. Army of Socrates.
I see this as a counteragument a lot to people asking for something more substantial then words, though often times asking for beta is a bit of stretch I'd agree. Even a worthwhile technical demo is still not a game and would have been worth the investment. So they'd be kickstarting the game, just like the fans want.
I definitely agree.
I am just surprised so many people donated to a whim. If the CU management would have given more information, I may have thrown some money in to help out. But, since I have no interest in the game, it's hard for me to justify throwing my money at a poorly executed kickstarter.
But I didn't ask why you don't want to back the game. My post was directed at people who were already thinking about backing the game. People who maybe thought that waiting wasn't that big of a deal.
The only opinion that I am arguing is the 'Show me alpha' opinion which completely misses the whole point of the project so why even say it.
The other 'opinions' are really just people angry at me for posting a pro-Camelot Unchained post in a Camelot Unchained forum.
Why facepalm? I thought I was clear. I said I would have given money just to help out. But, there isn't enough information for me to give to a game I am not interested in. Even if I am not interested in it, doesn't mean I wouldn't help. I just can't throw money at a promise...
I hear what you are saying, I really do. Take a look at the Torment: Tides of Numenara Kickstarter. Look at their first video. It literally contained nothing substantial about the game. Yet they received almost $2 million in the first 3 days.
So, there are people out there who want to get in on the ground floor of a game like this. That's who CU is appealing to. Guys like me who want to be in the backers forums for the next two years while CSE literally makes the game. That is going to be an amazing experience.
Obviously a lot of people just want to play video games. That's great, I get it. But some of us really dig gaming on a different level and being a part of a game pre-alpha is awesome.
But I'm also very busy, too lazy etc. to go through the bother of pledging unless it looks like it has a real shot at funding.
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I guess you keep missing the part where I keep saying I like to help out. If the CU staff would give some actual motivation for people to give money, I would be glad to chip in for the greater good...even if I am not interested.
Ok so very interesting. See I think this is how Kickstarter projects get a bunch of money at the end. There must be a good number of people out there like you who are literally interested in new ideas and will support the ones that have a shot of funding.
Do you back a lot of Kickstarter projects? I've actually read a few posts by people who are calling it an addiction of sorts. They support all kinds of different projects.
Exactly what i posted moments ago. No effect. Shocking.
He's here, he's telling you he'd throw in some money to help, even though he isn't won over by the game.
This would be your chance to ask what he isn't interested in, and see if you can't shine a positive light on his negatives, maybe win him over.
No, it's, Why are you here?
So, when he gets up and leaves, leaving you no coin in your cup, this thread will have been so worth it.
The Deep Web is sca-ry.