I think it's much better for the players. It lets the players determine how much they want to spend.
How do you reconcile your belief with the anecdote provided by the original poster?
The original poster chose to blow a lot of money on a game because at the time they thought it was the best use of their funds. Just because they changed their mind about the value of their expenditure, doesn't mean that they were incapable of determining what was valuable to them at the time.
I think it's much better for the players. It lets the players determine how much they want to spend.
Does it. I know plenty of players from Vindictus who spend way more than they should. There was one guy who spent half his income per month on this game.
Now they're adding lockboxes to these games, it's the same thing as an online slot machine, add in the addictive factor of those F2P games and you have the perfect recipe for disaster, people spending their whole income on games.
Lockboxes with a random chance is no different from a slot machine.
F2P with lockboxes or chance games is the same thing as an online casino, the same addictive behavior of people spending their money, the only difference is that in an online casino you at least have a chance to make some money, a F2P only takes your money.
I think it's much better for the players. It lets the players determine how much they want to spend.
Does it. I know plenty of players from Vindictus who spend way more than they should. There was one guy who spent half his income per month on this game.
Now they're adding lockboxes to these games, it's the same thing as an online slot machine, add in the addictive factor of those F2P games and you have the perfect recipe for disaster, people spending their whole income on games.
Just like people spend their whole income on gambling, luxuries like jewelry or jet skis, etc.
What makes you think the players don't have a choice about spending that money?
I think it's much better for the players. It lets the players determine how much they want to spend.
Does it. I know plenty of players from Vindictus who spend way more than they should. There was one guy who spent half his income per month on this game.
Now they're adding lockboxes to these games, it's the same thing as an online slot machine, add in the addictive factor of those F2P games and you have the perfect recipe for disaster, people spending their whole income on games.
Lockboxes with a random chance is no different from a slot machine.
F2P with lockboxes or chance games is the same thing as an online casino, the same addictive behavior of people spending their money, the only differnce is that in an online casino you at least have a chance to make some money, a F2P only takes your money.
Addicition has always been a element of these games business models. At least it's not crack I guess.
I think it's much better for the players. It lets the players determine how much they want to spend.
Does it. I know plenty of players from Vindictus who spend way more than they should. There was one guy who spent half his income per month on this game.
Now they're adding lockboxes to these games, it's the same thing as an online slot machine, add in the addictive factor of those F2P games and you have the perfect recipe for disaster, people spending their whole income on games.
Lockboxes with a random chance is no different from a slot machine.
As ever focus on the extreme spenders and then blame the business model while the rest of population plays and spends what they can afford and think is justified. Also all this such and such spends thousands per month of [insert game] is pure anecdotal evidence, there's this guy who swears he's Elvis my brothers, guildie mates second cousin twice removed told me so, so its gotta be true. Change seems to scare people right to core, gamers have to man up and take responsibility for their own actions and not blame everything else.
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Also all this such and such spends thousands per month of [insert game] is pure anecdotal evidence
It's not anecdotal evidence. It's been in several documentaries. Big spenders even got a name through F2P developers, they're called whales.
Another reason I personally know there are whales in F2P games is because you can see their gear, before I quit the game, in Vindictus there were people with +15 weapons and item sets right after an update, that means they're spending $1000 in a day.
“A whale is a player that is willing to invest a significant amount of money in your game,” said Jared Psigoda, CEO of the browser game publisher Reality Squared Games, at Game Developers Conference Europe in August. “For most publishers out there … a handful of players make up a significant percentage of revenue, specifically once you get into the mid-hard-core, free-to-play type model.”
“The top 10 percent of players can account for as much as 50 percent of all in-app purchase revenue,” says Andy Yang, CEO of the mobile monetization research firm PlayHaven.
He wound up spending nearly $5,000 in that game before trading it for Clash of Clans, but says that’s far less than what he would have otherwise spent on alcohol.
“Panda” said he has put over $7,000 into his Clans village.
Before downloading that list and doing the math, Vince estimated that he had spent a total of $5,000
Vince P., who also asked us to withhold his last name, has been playing the Facebook game Battle Pirates since early 2011. His total spend: over $16,000."
Also all this such and such spends thousands per month of [insert game] is pure anecdotal evidence
It's not anecdotal evidence. It's been in several documentaries. Big spenders even got a name through F2P developers, they're called whales.
Another reason I personally know there are whales in F2P games is because you can see their gear, before I quit the game, in Vindictus there were people with +15 weapons and item sets right after an update, that means they're spending $1000 in a day.
I'm not sure you fully understand what anecdotal evidence is. When a documentary shows evidence that is conclusive (like credit card receipts showing the amount of money that exchnged hands between two parties), that is conclusive evidence which is what you are describing.
When a random person in a forum makes claims about them or someone they know that spent thousands of dollars without offering any evidence, then that evidence is anecdotal. Basically, all of your claims and the original poster's claims are anecdotal.
I'm not sure you fully understand what anecdotal evidence is. When a documentary shows evidence that is conclusive (like credit card receipts showing the amount of money that exchnged hands between two parties), that is conclusive evidence which is what you are describing.
When a random person in a forum makes claims about them or someone they know that spent thousands of dollars without offering any evidence, then that evidence is anecdotal.
Look above at the documentary, unless you're saying I should believe you, a random poster on the internet, over a well respected site like Wired.
It's well known that people are spending thousands of dollars per month on F2P, not only have the players said so, so have the developers.
Trying to deny something every person already knows is pathetic on your part.
I'm not sure you fully understand what anecdotal evidence is. When a documentary shows evidence that is conclusive (like credit card receipts showing the amount of money that exchnged hands between two parties), that is conclusive evidence which is what you are describing.
When a random person in a forum makes claims about them or someone they know that spent thousands of dollars without offering any evidence, then that evidence is anecdotal.
Look above at the documentary, unless you're saying I should believe you, a random poster on the internet, over a well respected site like Wired.
It's well known that people are spending thousands of dollars per month on F2P, not only have the players said so, so have the developers.
Yeah... you're still not understanding.
I'm not saying that people don't spend thousands on these games. I fully believe that they do. I'm saying that the evidence you provided earlier about Vindictus is anecdotal. The evidence provided by the original poster is anecdotal. After reading the article in Wired, the evidence they have layed out is anecdotal. It is one person's account of the truth without anything conclusive to back it up.
I'm not saying that people don't spend thousands on these games. I fully believe that they do. I'm saying that the evidence you provided earlier about Vindictus is anecdotal. The evidence provided by the original poster is anecdotal. After reading the article in Wired, the evidence they have layed out is anecdotal. It is one person's account of the truth without anything conclusive to back it up.
One person? The companies themselves have come out and said there are whales spending thousands of dollar per month. There was a chinese documentary someone linked here once on this forum, there are people who spend $10,000 in yuan on some games in a few months time. Believe what you like, you know very well I'm right, and Wired isn't just making this up, it's a well respected site, CNN has made a report about it too.
I'm not saying that people don't spend thousands on these games. I fully believe that they do. I'm saying that the evidence you provided earlier about Vindictus is anecdotal. The evidence provided by the original poster is anecdotal. After reading the article in Wired, the evidence they have layed out is anecdotal. It is one person's account of the truth without anything conclusive to back it up.
One person? The companies themselves have come out and said there are whales spending thousands of dollar per month. There was a chinese documentary someone linked here once on this forum, there are people who spend $10,000 in yuan on some games in a few months time. Believe what you like, you know very well I'm right, and Wired isn't just making this up, it's a well respected site, CNN has made a report about it too.
I've never paid a penny to something that I didn't feel was worth it for any F2P game. I guess that means the biggest mmo scams I've found are P2P. Take for example World of Warcraft where they charge you to buy an authenticator because they have problems with security. Not to mention paid server transfers, cash shop, etc. in addition to the box costs, and expansion costs and subscription costs.
So yeah, I haven't been scammed yet by F2P.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
you know im tired of being told i get to chose what i pay for, when in order to gt everythign i used to get for 15 a months i now have to pay 30 a month, im sorry but you will ind most old school MMO player play EVERY ASPECT of the game.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
I've never paid a penny to something that I didn't feel was worth it for any F2P game. I guess that means the biggest mmo scams I've found are P2P. Take for example World of Warcraft where they charge you to buy an authenticator because they have problems with security. Not to mention paid server transfers, cash shop, etc. in addition to the box costs, and expansion costs and subscription costs.
So yeah, I haven't been scammed yet by F2P.
haha same.. got scammed of way more money on P2P games that put out little to no content for months upon months and when that content came out it certainly wasn't worth the $60+ i had paid over the months for sub fees between those updates
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Originally posted by Squeak69 you know im tired of being told i get to chose what i pay for, when in order to gt everythign i used to get for 15 a months i now have to pay 30 a month, im sorry but you will ind most old school MMO player play EVERY ASPECT of the game.
I don't really get that argument either. can you tell me what you're paying for that costs more than the 15 a month? people always say "it costs more than a sub in F2P!" but like, what are you guy buying? after playing a few sub games and then switching to mostly F2P, I really haven't noticed me getting anything less out of my games. maybe the uber-leet hardcore PvPrs and the top tier raiders are the ones having this problem, but on average I get the same or more than what i was getting in sub- based games, for significantly less money.
Originally posted by Squeak69 you know im tired of being told i get to chose what i pay for, when in order to gt everythign i used to get for 15 a months i now have to pay 30 a month, im sorry but you will ind most old school MMO player play EVERY ASPECT of the game.
What games do you have to pay $30/month for? I know I'm playing Planetside 2 and GW2. I've never spent any money on GW2 besides the box and have actually bought quite a lot from the shop using in game currency. I've also only spent $20 on Planetside 2 when they had a triple points sale and I've been playing that for months.
I know with many F2P games, they have a sub option which is $15/month and they usually give you shop cash to play around with on top of giving you access to everything.
I mean, some of the wierd games that people are listing in this thread sound completely ridiculous with their P2W style. But there are still a ton of F2P options where at most I would personally never even think about spending over $15/month. Actually, I'm more likely to spend far less than that.
Originally posted by Squeak69 you know im tired of being told i get to chose what i pay for, when in order to gt everythign i used to get for 15 a months i now have to pay 30 a month, im sorry but you will ind most old school MMO player play EVERY ASPECT of the game.
What games do you have to pay $30/month for? I know I'm playing Planetside 2 and GW2. I've never spent any money on GW2 besides the box and have actually bought quite a lot from the shop using in game currency. I've also only spent $20 on Planetside 2 when they had a triple points sale and I've been playing that for months.
I know with many F2P games, they have a sub option which is $15/month and they usually give you shop cash to play around with on top of giving you access to everything.
I mean, some of the wierd games that people are listing in this thread sound completely ridiculous with their P2W style. But there are still a ton of F2P options where at most I would personally never even think about spending over $15/month. Actually, I'm more likely to spend far less than that.
to be honest im not playing any staight F2P games right now, its not that i refuse to cause im not foolish enough to avoid a good game due to it payment style, its just that none of them are good in my opion, and im burned out on alot of P2P games cause iv played them for so many years that i ahve done them to death.
i mostly play minecraft, a NWN2 server and co-op/ sp games with my friends, i try a new MMO about once a month and honestly have as yet to find anything new that i actully like and dousnt fill like half done money grabs, the only new game to come out im playing that is kjinda a MMO is defience but then i find it basicly fun, but i only play that one about 2 days out of the week now, and mainly with my friends
so no there are no games im currently playing that charge me $30 a month for full content cause even when i do play them i refuse to use the cash shop, and most of the time when i do this i find myself lacking in things that i really want to do
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
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I've only seen one big name MMO ever that was a "scam" and that was Gary Whiting trying to defraud investors into his MMOguls and Stargate Worlds scheme, even though there was never going to be a finished product. He's still being sued by the investors they scammed before the company went bankrupt.
It's more of a matter of shameless cash shop pandering, in my view, in which case anything that Bill Roper touched in the past seven years. Hellgate London with its corporately deaf subscription plan, Champions Online and the massive game-changing patch on launch day, and then Star Trek Online and the whole telling players to buy mutliple copies of the game as the only way to collect all of the store-specific items and then putting them on the cash shop a few months later for a few bucks each.
Originally posted by Squeak69 you know im tired of being told i get to chose what i pay for, when in order to gt everythign i used to get for 15 a months i now have to pay 30 a month, im sorry but you will ind most old school MMO player play EVERY ASPECT of the game.
Thank you!!! Good god, I have yet to see anyone say this and feel the way I do. I am a SOE fan, but I hate their new F2P motto. "Free to play your way" NO ITS NOT!!! My way is $15 a month for EVERYTHING like it used to be. Sure I can subscribe to a game, but I still have to purchase items in a cash shop. Therefore my sub is not all inclusive...Therefore I can't play/pay my way. If game companies truly are hurting for money, fine! Tell me its time to increase my subs to $20 a month, you savages, but give me the game!
I HATE games that offer a sub that is not all inclusive. I don't care if you give me 500 cash shop points a month, its not all inclusive! When I am logged into a virtual world, the only finances at that moment that I want to handle are my in-game currency. Maybe I am a minority in thinking this, but a virtual world I am playing in, should not be tied to my RL finances.
OK, rant over, I'll go back to reading Origins of Malu forums and waiting for Beta to go live tonight. A nice sandboxer with a monthly fee and no cash shop for an old-schooler like me. I'll be back when EQN is released and I see their damn cash shop, which ill rant about
If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!
I was going to say Atlantica, too. So much power being sold, and so much of it via real-money gambling rather than straight up purchases. A disgusting way to ruin a unique MMO that could have been a real contender.
“A whale is a player that is willing to invest a significant amount of money in your game,” said Jared Psigoda, CEO of the browser game publisher Reality Squared Games, at Game Developers Conference Europe in August. “For most publishers out there … a handful of players make up a significant percentage of revenue, specifically once you get into the mid-hard-core, free-to-play type model.”
“The top 10 percent of players can account for as much as 50 percent of all in-app purchase revenue,” says Andy Yang, CEO of the mobile monetization research firm PlayHaven.
He wound up spending nearly $5,000 in that game before trading it for Clash of Clans, but says that’s far less than what he would have otherwise spent on alcohol.
“Panda” said he has put over $7,000 into his Clans village.
Before downloading that list and doing the math, Vince estimated that he had spent a total of $5,000
Vince P., who also asked us to withhold his last name, has been playing the Facebook game Battle Pirates since early 2011. His total spend: over $16,000."
These are still players claiming they spent those sums and is anecdotal evidence until you see an actual statement to the fact its anecdotal, you do know people do tell porky pie's and like to brag? also you and many others are focusing on the extreme end its like moaning that people buy Lambo's, Maclarens and Bugati's claiming that the car industry is a rip off but conveniently forgetting that the world is full of Fiat's, Peugeot's and Seat's (popular affordable EU cars for our friends across the pond ). And the red highlighted bit is conclusive isn't it? can account for is not the same as does account for and journalists never make stuff up do they? or overstate things.
The point though is that Mizz Lovely_laly our beloved OP spent the money willingly and is blamimg the game and not herself even though she vowed to not make the mistake twice. Life is full of temptations that us meer mortals have to resist, I'm personally in to High End HiFi and have you seen the price of a top amplifier lately? a quick visit to the bank and it could be mine its that easy. Self control and personal responsibility is the way you conduct yourself in a civilised world and then if you fall foul to temptation you only have one person you should blame, YOURSELF.
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Spending 5000$ on games is absolutely nothing lol, there are players in Eve who have spent 100,000$+ on the game. Spending thousands of dollars on gold in wow has been quite an average sight, especially back in vanilla. I understand that low wage people or schoolkids have hard time understanding it, but they are not really affecting the games they play anyhow at all with their tiny 50$ cashshop buyings.
And mostly they aren't scamming anyone. Is WoW scamming me by making me pay 400$ a month for my multibox accounts? No it was 100% my decision. Only one who feels they are scamming is you, Envy.
one more point about said "f2p": they scam players for 1000s of $ and feel good as they don't have much cost for maintenance, support, development and such.
most sells you might or final gear upgrades for astronomical prices, some sells you even more (mount, tele etc useful stuff).
I must admit, it very hard to calculate correct costs of such upgrades or even final cost of your gaming.
I hope we can discuss freely here, and our minds are not controlled by "f2p" scam companies.
To me worst was Runes of Magic. Nice and friendly at beta game, turned fast into money sucking disaster. Someone made calcs for final gear cost (before 2x lvl cap up), and it was min 700 and max 1500$. Plus to this need to add mount cost (you can't find/earn/buy it with game money), rest I can't recall well, it was most cosmetic items.
after this experience I pay lot of attention not to be driven into the same trap. Now I pay few (like max 50$ per year) or nothing at all, I looks poor compare to active CS's but I think crap game should not charge more than box game (GW2, TSW) or even VIP access game (9$ every once in a while, LOTRO).
WoW with premium service cost like 200$ per year and have more content than all f2p together + safe + polished.
They should have a IQ test before letting someone make a purchase in F2P games then people like you dont have to worry about buying stuff.
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The original poster chose to blow a lot of money on a game because at the time they thought it was the best use of their funds. Just because they changed their mind about the value of their expenditure, doesn't mean that they were incapable of determining what was valuable to them at the time.
Does it. I know plenty of players from Vindictus who spend way more than they should. There was one guy who spent half his income per month on this game.
Now they're adding lockboxes to these games, it's the same thing as an online slot machine, add in the addictive factor of those F2P games and you have the perfect recipe for disaster, people spending their whole income on games.
Lockboxes with a random chance is no different from a slot machine.
F2P with lockboxes or chance games is the same thing as an online casino, the same addictive behavior of people spending their money, the only difference is that in an online casino you at least have a chance to make some money, a F2P only takes your money.
Just like people spend their whole income on gambling, luxuries like jewelry or jet skis, etc.
What makes you think the players don't have a choice about spending that money?
Addicition has always been a element of these games business models. At least it's not crack I guess.
As ever focus on the extreme spenders and then blame the business model while the rest of population plays and spends what they can afford and think is justified. Also all this such and such spends thousands per month of [insert game] is pure anecdotal evidence, there's this guy who swears he's Elvis my brothers, guildie mates second cousin twice removed told me so, so its gotta be true. Change seems to scare people right to core, gamers have to man up and take responsibility for their own actions and not blame everything else.
"You're all mugs for paying to play a game after you have already bought it, what a scam, these gaming companies saw you coming" Anon circa 1999
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It's not anecdotal evidence. It's been in several documentaries. Big spenders even got a name through F2P developers, they're called whales.
Another reason I personally know there are whales in F2P games is because you can see their gear, before I quit the game, in Vindictus there were people with +15 weapons and item sets right after an update, that means they're spending $1000 in a day.
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2012/11/meet-the-whales/
“A whale is a player that is willing to invest a significant amount of money in your game,” said Jared Psigoda, CEO of the browser game publisher Reality Squared Games, at Game Developers Conference Europe in August. “For most publishers out there … a handful of players make up a significant percentage of revenue, specifically once you get into the mid-hard-core, free-to-play type model.”
“The top 10 percent of players can account for as much as 50 percent of all in-app purchase revenue,” says Andy Yang, CEO of the mobile monetization research firm PlayHaven.
He wound up spending nearly $5,000 in that game before trading it for Clash of Clans, but says that’s far less than what he would have otherwise spent on alcohol.
“Panda” said he has put over $7,000 into his Clans village.
Before downloading that list and doing the math, Vince estimated that he had spent a total of $5,000
Vince P., who also asked us to withhold his last name, has been playing the Facebook game Battle Pirates since early 2011. His total spend: over $16,000."
I'm not sure you fully understand what anecdotal evidence is. When a documentary shows evidence that is conclusive (like credit card receipts showing the amount of money that exchnged hands between two parties), that is conclusive evidence which is what you are describing.
When a random person in a forum makes claims about them or someone they know that spent thousands of dollars without offering any evidence, then that evidence is anecdotal. Basically, all of your claims and the original poster's claims are anecdotal.
Look above at the documentary, unless you're saying I should believe you, a random poster on the internet, over a well respected site like Wired.
It's well known that people are spending thousands of dollars per month on F2P, not only have the players said so, so have the developers.
Trying to deny something every person already knows is pathetic on your part.
Yeah... you're still not understanding.
I'm not saying that people don't spend thousands on these games. I fully believe that they do. I'm saying that the evidence you provided earlier about Vindictus is anecdotal. The evidence provided by the original poster is anecdotal. After reading the article in Wired, the evidence they have layed out is anecdotal. It is one person's account of the truth without anything conclusive to back it up.
One person? The companies themselves have come out and said there are whales spending thousands of dollar per month. There was a chinese documentary someone linked here once on this forum, there are people who spend $10,000 in yuan on some games in a few months time. Believe what you like, you know very well I'm right, and Wired isn't just making this up, it's a well respected site, CNN has made a report about it too.
Whelp, I give up. :P
Yeah.. well. It seems that when they spend "too much" they end up blaming a company instead of themselves. It seems to be a trend.
Anyway, I think Nexon games are a scam, but so far I haven't HAD to pay anything either. I just think it's ridiculous to have "temporary" cash items.
I've never paid a penny to something that I didn't feel was worth it for any F2P game. I guess that means the biggest mmo scams I've found are P2P. Take for example World of Warcraft where they charge you to buy an authenticator because they have problems with security. Not to mention paid server transfers, cash shop, etc. in addition to the box costs, and expansion costs and subscription costs.
So yeah, I haven't been scammed yet by F2P.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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haha same.. got scammed of way more money on P2P games that put out little to no content for months upon months and when that content came out it certainly wasn't worth the $60+ i had paid over the months for sub fees between those updates
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
I don't really get that argument either. can you tell me what you're paying for that costs more than the 15 a month? people always say "it costs more than a sub in F2P!" but like, what are you guy buying? after playing a few sub games and then switching to mostly F2P, I really haven't noticed me getting anything less out of my games. maybe the uber-leet hardcore PvPrs and the top tier raiders are the ones having this problem, but on average I get the same or more than what i was getting in sub- based games, for significantly less money.
I play MMOs for the Forum PVP
What games do you have to pay $30/month for? I know I'm playing Planetside 2 and GW2. I've never spent any money on GW2 besides the box and have actually bought quite a lot from the shop using in game currency. I've also only spent $20 on Planetside 2 when they had a triple points sale and I've been playing that for months.
I know with many F2P games, they have a sub option which is $15/month and they usually give you shop cash to play around with on top of giving you access to everything.
I mean, some of the wierd games that people are listing in this thread sound completely ridiculous with their P2W style. But there are still a ton of F2P options where at most I would personally never even think about spending over $15/month. Actually, I'm more likely to spend far less than that.
to be honest im not playing any staight F2P games right now, its not that i refuse to cause im not foolish enough to avoid a good game due to it payment style, its just that none of them are good in my opion, and im burned out on alot of P2P games cause iv played them for so many years that i ahve done them to death.
i mostly play minecraft, a NWN2 server and co-op/ sp games with my friends, i try a new MMO about once a month and honestly have as yet to find anything new that i actully like and dousnt fill like half done money grabs, the only new game to come out im playing that is kjinda a MMO is defience but then i find it basicly fun, but i only play that one about 2 days out of the week now, and mainly with my friends
so no there are no games im currently playing that charge me $30 a month for full content cause even when i do play them i refuse to use the cash shop, and most of the time when i do this i find myself lacking in things that i really want to do
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
I've only seen one big name MMO ever that was a "scam" and that was Gary Whiting trying to defraud investors into his MMOguls and Stargate Worlds scheme, even though there was never going to be a finished product. He's still being sued by the investors they scammed before the company went bankrupt.
It's more of a matter of shameless cash shop pandering, in my view, in which case anything that Bill Roper touched in the past seven years. Hellgate London with its corporately deaf subscription plan, Champions Online and the massive game-changing patch on launch day, and then Star Trek Online and the whole telling players to buy mutliple copies of the game as the only way to collect all of the store-specific items and then putting them on the cash shop a few months later for a few bucks each.
Thank you!!! Good god, I have yet to see anyone say this and feel the way I do. I am a SOE fan, but I hate their new F2P motto. "Free to play your way" NO ITS NOT!!! My way is $15 a month for EVERYTHING like it used to be. Sure I can subscribe to a game, but I still have to purchase items in a cash shop. Therefore my sub is not all inclusive...Therefore I can't play/pay my way. If game companies truly are hurting for money, fine! Tell me its time to increase my subs to $20 a month, you savages, but give me the game!
I HATE games that offer a sub that is not all inclusive. I don't care if you give me 500 cash shop points a month, its not all inclusive! When I am logged into a virtual world, the only finances at that moment that I want to handle are my in-game currency. Maybe I am a minority in thinking this, but a virtual world I am playing in, should not be tied to my RL finances.
OK, rant over, I'll go back to reading Origins of Malu forums and waiting for Beta to go live tonight. A nice sandboxer with a monthly fee and no cash shop for an old-schooler like me. I'll be back when EQN is released and I see their damn cash shop, which ill rant about
If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!
I was going to say Atlantica, too. So much power being sold, and so much of it via real-money gambling rather than straight up purchases. A disgusting way to ruin a unique MMO that could have been a real contender.
These are still players claiming they spent those sums and is anecdotal evidence until you see an actual statement to the fact its anecdotal, you do know people do tell porky pie's and like to brag? also you and many others are focusing on the extreme end its like moaning that people buy Lambo's, Maclarens and Bugati's claiming that the car industry is a rip off but conveniently forgetting that the world is full of Fiat's, Peugeot's and Seat's (popular affordable EU cars for our friends across the pond
). And the red highlighted bit is conclusive isn't it? can account for is not the same as does account for and journalists never make stuff up do they? or overstate things.
The point though is that Mizz Lovely_laly our beloved OP spent the money willingly and is blamimg the game and not herself even though she vowed to not make the mistake twice. Life is full of temptations that us meer mortals have to resist, I'm personally in to High End HiFi and have you seen the price of a top amplifier lately? a quick visit to the bank and it could be mine its that easy. Self control and personal responsibility is the way you conduct yourself in a civilised world and then if you fall foul to temptation you only have one person you should blame, YOURSELF.
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Spending 5000$ on games is absolutely nothing lol, there are players in Eve who have spent 100,000$+ on the game. Spending thousands of dollars on gold in wow has been quite an average sight, especially back in vanilla. I understand that low wage people or schoolkids have hard time understanding it, but they are not really affecting the games they play anyhow at all with their tiny 50$ cashshop buyings.
And mostly they aren't scamming anyone. Is WoW scamming me by making me pay 400$ a month for my multibox accounts? No it was 100% my decision. Only one who feels they are scamming is you, Envy.
They should have a IQ test before letting someone make a purchase in F2P games then people like you dont have to worry about buying stuff.