Let it be news when / if it's ever down to 1 million or less. Right now it's not a big deal.
you obviously don't have to answer to their shareholders. Its like owning stock in McDonalds and they report 2 million less customers buying their burgers. Sure they still got millions of other customers, but that's kinda not the point. When you bleed customers its a problem and with no answer forthcoming its a scary problem when you are invested in a company.
Yes it is concerning but not that much, as long as the company is profitable and earning money and not losing, if I'm not mistaken the stocks that very day went up and not down, even with that crushing news investors did not sell or bail out, because the company is still making butt loads of money.
I would hope investors wont bail on ANY stock at the first sign of any bad news. its a definite reason for concern, but yes they are still killing it with WoW. But, their cash cow is losing subs by the millions, they have no MMO on deck except some ramblings about "titan." If I were an investor I would be worried about my money. Hopefully Blizz is ready to get to work instead of resting on their laurels. 1 Expac every few years and taking 35 years to make sequels to their games might not be the best business model in this competitive market. Also, F2P games are coming on strong and kickstarter is allowing talented devs to not go crawling to the big studios for $$$ to develop their games.
Blizz isn't worried about their fans defending them on message boards, they are worried about their investors with deep pockets who don't like this kind of news. They don't look at this as "well they still got millions more subs then other games." More like, "why are they losing millions of customers and why aren't they about to release a new MMO to bring those people back, since this game is now so old. 2004 twow came out, it is now 2013...that should be enough time to release a new MMO ! whats the problem ???"
F2P is sticking it to wow. they acknowledged as much in their conference call with investors. they expressed concern over that business model and even tipped their hat to what SWTOR has done since going F2P. (for the record I don't play EA games, just stating a talking point in Blizz conf call).
Originally posted by delete5230 Well people are getting hacked, Dungeon finder kills Open world, and fast leveling makes everyone buy every expantion in a matter of weeks. Sure WoW is going down hill...........Everyone I know had quit years ago !
Never got hacked, do not play dungeons in sense of raids, but love lfg system for 5 man .... wow for sure for me with swtor is king of mmo gaming. For my tastes.
Is only miracle subs still so high. But not because wow being old or alike ... simply TODAY players have 50x more choices on market to play or try ... then even few years ago. Many very good. So drop does not mean will never return, simply - like me - playing other fun and great games. But I will for sure return, for next expansion if not before.
I would not mind returning to wow for a bit of fun, But all my Toons are on the PVP server Balnazzar, Which is ever dying. I sure as shit am not paying £15 to move each one to a PVE server. Free Transfers and maybe I might come back.
I actually enjoyed playing WoW back in the day, but I'm not surprised by the drop in subscribers. Everything will get old eventually and what was once new and refreshing becomes tired and boring. There are hundreds of games with combat and gameplay similar to World of Warcraft and I'd expect even the most die hard fan to be getting bored of it by now. Seems like the numbers will only continue to drop in the years to come unless Blizzard does a massive revamp of the game and mechanics.
Blizzard have a real dilemma on their hands, scrap future patch plans and push for expansion early (and annoy player base with lack of patches/new raids). Or steal resource from Titan, or push hard for Titan. Ofc being massively less greasy/greedy with profits and pumping massive resource to do all 3 would do wonders..
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
2 million people just figured out that they don't like hamster wheels.
No they probably just went looking for one that isn't 9 years old.
like what ?
I havent heard of any of the newer mmo's getting a massive surge of players...and being smaller, a small swell of only a few hundred thousand would be instantly recognised.
only growing numbers i know of are in eve which is 10 years old.
Only took Eve 10 years to get to half a million, and WoW still has 7.8 million more players.
Originally posted by Bladestrom Blizzard have a real dilemma on their hands, scrap future patch plans and push for expansion early (and annoy player base with lack of patches/new raids). Or steal resource from Titan, or push hard for Titan. Ofc being massively less greasy/greedy with profits and pumping massive resource to do all 3 would do wonders..
yep, that's quite a dilemma. regardless of if you like EQ or not, and not considering SOE has nowhere near the subs Blizz does, SOE pumps out great content for EQ, EQ 2 and on top of all that is about to release EQNext. please don't act like it cant be done. they are a public company with lots of $$$. the old business model of taking 30 years to release a new game or xpac is cathing up to old blizzard.
Originally posted by markibog I feel sad WOW is going down millions of subscribers, Maybe people tired of doing dailies everyday or move to others games which is B2P game.
This post is misleading. WoW is down TO 8.3m subs, not down 8.3m subs. Big difference.
Originally posted by OniDaimyo77 Wild Star looks a LOT like WoW in space, maybe WoW players will try that out, assuming Cryptic doesn't fuck that up to.
Haha cryptic? Dont worry Carbine is making Wildstar.
"Negaholics are people who become addicted to negativity and self-doubt, they find fault in most things and never seem to be satisfied." ^MMORPG.com
the only mmo that can afford to lose millions of players and still make a huge profit even after 8 years. The rest of the mmos lose a few hundred thousands and have to switch to F2P to survive.
The game is 8 years old and more people want to move on, but theres no doubt Blizzard know how to make long term games.
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I would hope investors wont bail on ANY stock at the first sign of any bad news. its a definite reason for concern, but yes they are still killing it with WoW. But, their cash cow is losing subs by the millions, they have no MMO on deck except some ramblings about "titan." If I were an investor I would be worried about my money. Hopefully Blizz is ready to get to work instead of resting on their laurels. 1 Expac every few years and taking 35 years to make sequels to their games might not be the best business model in this competitive market. Also, F2P games are coming on strong and kickstarter is allowing talented devs to not go crawling to the big studios for $$$ to develop their games.
Blizz isn't worried about their fans defending them on message boards, they are worried about their investors with deep pockets who don't like this kind of news. They don't look at this as "well they still got millions more subs then other games." More like, "why are they losing millions of customers and why aren't they about to release a new MMO to bring those people back, since this game is now so old. 2004 twow came out, it is now 2013...that should be enough time to release a new MMO ! whats the problem ???"
F2P is sticking it to wow. they acknowledged as much in their conference call with investors. they expressed concern over that business model and even tipped their hat to what SWTOR has done since going F2P. (for the record I don't play EA games, just stating a talking point in Blizz conf call).
Never got hacked, do not play dungeons in sense of raids, but love lfg system for 5 man .... wow for sure for me with swtor is king of mmo gaming. For my tastes.
Is only miracle subs still so high. But not because wow being old or alike ... simply TODAY players have 50x more choices on market to play or try ... then even few years ago. Many very good. So drop does not mean will never return, simply - like me - playing other fun and great games. But I will for sure return, for next expansion if not before.
No wonder GW2 has so many players on these days, every zone is full of lowbies.
Guess they're WoW players who finally grew up and moved on from the losers' rat race.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
And your point?
yep, that's quite a dilemma. regardless of if you like EQ or not, and not considering SOE has nowhere near the subs Blizz does, SOE pumps out great content for EQ, EQ 2 and on top of all that is about to release EQNext. please don't act like it cant be done. they are a public company with lots of $$$. the old business model of taking 30 years to release a new game or xpac is cathing up to old blizzard.
This post is misleading. WoW is down TO 8.3m subs, not down 8.3m subs. Big difference.
You make me like charity
Haha cryptic? Dont worry Carbine is making Wildstar.
"Negaholics are people who become addicted to negativity and self-doubt, they find fault in most things and never seem to be satisfied."
^MMORPG.com
So much hate...
Yep! Funny thing is it's mostly player loss in asia.
"Negaholics are people who become addicted to negativity and self-doubt, they find fault in most things and never seem to be satisfied."
^MMORPG.com
the only mmo that can afford to lose millions of players and still make a huge profit even after 8 years. The rest of the mmos lose a few hundred thousands and have to switch to F2P to survive.
The game is 8 years old and more people want to move on, but theres no doubt Blizzard know how to make long term games.
nice joke
well maybe some bots still farming cooper nodes