Originally posted by Zzad Dupe?? What are you talking about? Some kind of exploit?
Ess he mens peeple ar esploting and doublings theirs AD. LOLZ!!
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
Originally posted by Gravarg Someday I hope people will learn it is a lot more satisfying to earn things instead of cheating or getting it for free...
Whole purpose of f2p game is to play for free
And it is F2P. lvl 36 Devoted Cleric, didn't pay anything for the client, and have not paid any real money into the game at all. I don't believe I am missing out on anything at all.
I also believe I can with patience get everything that is in the store, ofc I've got patience by the bucket load, there are however plenty out there that want immediate gratification and for those schmucks there is the wonderful opportunity to hand over your cash to get all those wonderful things straight away.
As for the dupe, well I'm sure those that are advertising themselves as taking part or for helping to spread it that they may find their free accounts temp or perma banned, I hope it's the latter.
It is posted all over the forums on how to do it. So there will have to be a rollback at this point. Stuff keeps happening like this, I think it might be time to cut my losses and head to another game.
Originally posted by Gravarg Someday I hope people will learn it is a lot more satisfying to earn things instead of cheating or getting it for free...
Whole purpose of f2p game is to play for free
And it is F2P. lvl 36 Devoted Cleric, didn't pay anything for the client, and have not paid any real money into the game at all. I don't believe I am missing out on anything at all.
I also believe I can with patience get everything that is in the store, ofc I've got patience by the bucket load, there are however plenty out there that want immediate gratification and for those schmucks there is the wonderful opportunity to hand over your cash to get all those wonderful things straight away.
As for the dupe, well I'm sure those that are advertising themselves as taking part or for helping to spread it that they may find their free accounts temp or perma banned, I hope it's the latter.
Casuals or players who play just for simple fun, enjoy foundry, etc. These dont care, but those who play 8+ hours a day they usually have to pay, cause they care about competition
I played NW all the way to level cap..didn't spend a dime in game. And i haven't logged back in almost a week.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
The Gateway has now been shut down, but the AH is still operational at this moment. However, the AH is an epic mess of items offered at negative prices and prices running into the 20M to 30M AD range...
The "Buy Zen" portion of the Zen/AD Exchange is non-functional.
But the "Sell Zen" portion of the Zen/AD Exchange is open for business. Just sold 500 Zen @ 490 AD each, because nobody can convert their ingame AD to Zen due to the Exchange not allowing trade in that direction.
There's at least one thread on the official forums discussing the dupe in detail. The thread is at over 24 pages and still going strong... no lock, no deletion, no moderation.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
A prime example of why I believe there should always be at least a minor barrier to entry.
Even if it only costs 5.00 to make an account , this immediately knocks out a huge chunk of idiots/cheaters/spammers and so on.
If someone isn't willing to spend 5.00 to start an account to try/play an mmorpg , they likely wouldn't have spend a dime in the shop to begin with.
Allowing unlimited free account with zero effort leads to nothing but unusable general chat , repeated attempts at cheating , and unlimited accounts for gold sellers.
You have these in all games , but f2p has a far larger portion of them.
There doesn't have to be a sub fee , or a large upfront box price , but make it at least something monetarily required and you'd see the benefits far outweigh the negative.
Originally posted by Dahkoht A prime example of why I believe there should always be at least a minor barrier to entry.Even if it only costs 5.00 to make an account , this immediately knocks out a huge chunk of idiots/cheaters/spammers and so on.If someone isn't willing to spend 5.00 to start an account to try/play an mmorpg , they likely wouldn't have spend a dime in the shop to begin with.Allowing unlimited free account with zero effort leads to nothing but unusable general chat , repeated attempts at cheating , and unlimited accounts for gold sellers.You have these in all games , but f2p has a far larger portion of them.There doesn't have to be a sub fee , or a large upfront box price , but make it at least something monetarily required and you'd see the benefits far outweigh the negative.
Not true at all unfortunately. I been playing mmorpg's for last 14 years and I can tell you from experience that is not true because a great deal of cheaters exploiters were part of the subscription based games and still are to this day. Just because it's F2P doesn't mean that it would bring rift raft, they come no matter what.
Also what is stopping these exploiters by moving large quantities of AD across multiple accounts with different ip's on legit trades? If you post a legit trade in zone chat for example and you are the exploiter who has millions of AD and your friend or someone on another account trades with you, then they would end up with those AD's. PW needs to not only ban them but follow the AD trails and ban those as well. It sucks but they need to or otherwise face large population downsize.
One more thing I just want to say is wtf is up with lame kids who put a z on the end of lol or words like that? Looks not only dumb but also is very old 2004-2005 WOW era when it came out, I never understood it. Really stupid.
Originally posted by SpottyGekko Epic fail indeed...
The Gateway has now been shut down, but the AH is still operational at this moment. However, the AH is an epic mess of items offered at negative prices and prices running into the 20M to 30M AD range...
The "Buy Zen" portion of the Zen/AD Exchange is non-functional.
But the "Sell Zen" portion of the Zen/AD Exchange is open for business. Just sold 500 Zen @ 490 AD each, because nobody can convert their ingame AD to Zen due to the Exchange not allowing trade in that direction.
There's at least one thread on the official forums discussing the dupe in detail. The thread is at over 24 pages and still going strong... no lock, no deletion, no moderation.
Sad, sad, sad....
Yeah that is worrisome. Other game companies would of deleted those threads and locked them. Upon hearing of it they should of been competent and did the right thing to keep the exploit from even being talked about on their forums. Also they should of started banning people right away so that they wouldn't have a chance to circumnavigate AD through multiple accounts that would made it more difficult to track down.
Originally posted by Dahkoht A prime example of why I believe there should always be at least a minor barrier to entry.
Even if it only costs 5.00 to make an account , this immediately knocks out a huge chunk of idiots/cheaters/spammers and so on.
If someone isn't willing to spend 5.00 to start an account to try/play an mmorpg , they likely wouldn't have spend a dime in the shop to begin with.
Allowing unlimited free account with zero effort leads to nothing but unusable general chat , repeated attempts at cheating , and unlimited accounts for gold sellers.
You have these in all games , but f2p has a far larger portion of them.
There doesn't have to be a sub fee , or a large upfront box price , but make it at least something monetarily required and you'd see the benefits far outweigh the negative.
Not true at all unfortunately. I been playing mmorpg's for last 14 years and I can tell you from experience that is not true because a great deal of cheaters exploiters were part of the subscription based games and still are to this day. Just because it's F2P doesn't mean that it would bring rift raft, they come no matter what.
Also what is stopping these exploiters by moving large quantities of AD across multiple accounts with different ip's on legit trades? If you post a legit trade in zone chat for example and you are the exploiter who has millions of AD and your friend or someone on another account trades with you, then they would end up with those AD's. PW needs to not only ban them but follow the AD trails and ban those as well. It sucks but they need to or otherwise face large population downsize.
One more thing I just want to say is wtf is up with lame kids who put a z on the end of lol or words like that? Looks not only dumb but also is very old 2004-2005 WOW era when it came out, I never understood it. Really stupid.
We are of the same mindset overall , I'm with you on the Z's part as I said the same thing earlier in another thread
My point about the F2P with zero cost is it gives unlimited opportunities with new accounts. Truly unlimited with zero cost. If you put at least a 5.00 account creation cost this would make people at least have very minor "skin in the game".
As it stands now , for example , gold farming/selling companies can instantly make as many account as they want and so on.
With EQ , DAOC , WoW (before free trials ) and so on , if there are no buddy keys either etc , it means to make an account you HAVE to spend at least a minor amount.
Will it cut out all such spammers/cheaters/idiots ? Of course not , but it would eliminate a large portion of them if combined with the 5.00 entry fee they also were aggressive on banning spammers/cheaters.
If they ban them now , two mins later , literaly , they have a new account. And repeat and repeat.
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Ess he mens peeple ar esploting and doublings theirs AD. LOLZ!!
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
yeap idk how work but exploite Trade House my guild doing this and alot of another ppls
Yea... There's a major AD exploit gong on through the AH. People are making millions of AD every second, then converting it to Zen.
The exploit is being published widely in zone chat too. The whole economy is borked.
Recommend not playing if you are, they will have to do a rollback.
Whole purpose of f2p game is to get to play for free
For 100 banned exploiters you will have another 1000 unbanned exploiters.
+1 lol
bb NW gona W8 Rift
And it is F2P. lvl 36 Devoted Cleric, didn't pay anything for the client, and have not paid any real money into the game at all. I don't believe I am missing out on anything at all.
I also believe I can with patience get everything that is in the store, ofc I've got patience by the bucket load, there are however plenty out there that want immediate gratification and for those schmucks there is the wonderful opportunity to hand over your cash to get all those wonderful things straight away.
As for the dupe, well I'm sure those that are advertising themselves as taking part or for helping to spread it that they may find their free accounts temp or perma banned, I hope it's the latter.
yeap
This is true.
Most people do, those who don't become hedge fund managers
But on a more serious note, by the time people grow out of the instant gratification stage, more will have grown into it
Casuals or players who play just for simple fun, enjoy foundry, etc. These dont care, but those who play 8+ hours a day they usually have to pay, cause they care about competition
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Epic fail indeed...
The Gateway has now been shut down, but the AH is still operational at this moment. However, the AH is an epic mess of items offered at negative prices and prices running into the 20M to 30M AD range...
The "Buy Zen" portion of the Zen/AD Exchange is non-functional.
But the "Sell Zen" portion of the Zen/AD Exchange is open for business. Just sold 500 Zen @ 490 AD each, because nobody can convert their ingame AD to Zen due to the Exchange not allowing trade in that direction.
There's at least one thread on the official forums discussing the dupe in detail. The thread is at over 24 pages and still going strong... no lock, no deletion, no moderation.
Sad, sad, sad....
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
A prime example of why I believe there should always be at least a minor barrier to entry.
Even if it only costs 5.00 to make an account , this immediately knocks out a huge chunk of idiots/cheaters/spammers and so on.
If someone isn't willing to spend 5.00 to start an account to try/play an mmorpg , they likely wouldn't have spend a dime in the shop to begin with.
Allowing unlimited free account with zero effort leads to nothing but unusable general chat , repeated attempts at cheating , and unlimited accounts for gold sellers.
You have these in all games , but f2p has a far larger portion of them.
There doesn't have to be a sub fee , or a large upfront box price , but make it at least something monetarily required and you'd see the benefits far outweigh the negative.
Not true at all unfortunately. I been playing mmorpg's for last 14 years and I can tell you from experience that is not true because a great deal of cheaters exploiters were part of the subscription based games and still are to this day. Just because it's F2P doesn't mean that it would bring rift raft, they come no matter what.
Also what is stopping these exploiters by moving large quantities of AD across multiple accounts with different ip's on legit trades? If you post a legit trade in zone chat for example and you are the exploiter who has millions of AD and your friend or someone on another account trades with you, then they would end up with those AD's. PW needs to not only ban them but follow the AD trails and ban those as well. It sucks but they need to or otherwise face large population downsize.
One more thing I just want to say is wtf is up with lame kids who put a z on the end of lol or words like that? Looks not only dumb but also is very old 2004-2005 WOW era when it came out, I never understood it. Really stupid.
Yeah that is worrisome. Other game companies would of deleted those threads and locked them. Upon hearing of it they should of been competent and did the right thing to keep the exploit from even being talked about on their forums. Also they should of started banning people right away so that they wouldn't have a chance to circumnavigate AD through multiple accounts that would made it more difficult to track down.
We are of the same mindset overall , I'm with you on the Z's part as I said the same thing earlier in another thread
My point about the F2P with zero cost is it gives unlimited opportunities with new accounts. Truly unlimited with zero cost. If you put at least a 5.00 account creation cost this would make people at least have very minor "skin in the game".
As it stands now , for example , gold farming/selling companies can instantly make as many account as they want and so on.
With EQ , DAOC , WoW (before free trials ) and so on , if there are no buddy keys either etc , it means to make an account you HAVE to spend at least a minor amount.
Will it cut out all such spammers/cheaters/idiots ? Of course not , but it would eliminate a large portion of them if combined with the 5.00 entry fee they also were aggressive on banning spammers/cheaters.
If they ban them now , two mins later , literaly , they have a new account. And repeat and repeat.
At least make folks pay 5.00 to start over.
Well I didn't mean that, I was talking about welfare, get off your lazy butt and get a shovel...I'll pay you $20 an hour to dig foundations