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  • VorthanionVorthanion Member RarePosts: 2,749
    Originally posted by AwDiddums
    Originally posted by Dogblaster
    Originally posted by Gravarg
    Someday I hope people will learn it is a lot more satisfying to earn things instead of cheating or getting it for free...

    Whole purpose of f2p game is to play for free ;)

    And it is F2P.  lvl 36 Devoted Cleric, didn't pay anything for the client, and have not paid any real money into the game at all. I don't believe I am missing out on anything at all.

    I also believe I can with patience get everything that is in the store, ofc I've got patience by the bucket load, there are however plenty out there that want immediate gratification and for those schmucks there is the wonderful opportunity to hand over your cash to get all those wonderful things straight away.

    As for the dupe, well I'm sure those that are advertising themselves as taking part or for helping to spread it that they may find their free accounts temp or perma banned, I hope it's the latter.

     

    Without those "Schmucks" paying, you wouldn't have a game to play, it would shut down in short order.  You had better hope the industry doesn't become over-run with freeloaders like you as it will force them all to move back towards subscriptions or B2P.

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  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916

    I'm dying to see what (if anything) PWE/Cryptic are going to do about this situation.

     

    Trying to trace and separate all the transactions that are involved in this mess will be an absolutely epic exercise. And most importantly, it will be time-consuming and expensive.

     

    An F2P game built around a Cash Shop cannot just be "rolled back". Thousands of small transactions will have to be refunded, with each refund costing PWE a small amount in fees. And then there's the very strong possibility that the people that spent that refunded money may be reluctant to spend it again.

     

    If they do wipe or rollback (I believe a wipe is out of the question) it will cause even MORE bad publicity for the game. Game forums all over the internet will be slating PWE and Cryptic (much more than they already have ;)

    The mantra has been "there will be no more wipes" ever since "open beta" started. They had to do that to make sure people started spending freely. If they change that now, it will have a huge impact on the Cash Shop spending.

  • brad31781brad31781 Member UncommonPosts: 56

    This has been the worst game ever for exploits and they are slow as hell to fix them. I believe most of these lasted almost a week before getting fixed and some are still active. Here are the ones I have heard about.

    1. Guardian Fighters 1-3 Shotting bosses.

    2. The Epic Gateway -AD bids to win items and get AD.

    3. Repeating quests by sharing them over and over between characters, this farmed many different things but mostly the Profession Packs you get around level 28 or so.

    4. Many, many easy ways to gain xp, like doing repeatable quests that were super short or doing Foundry quests aimed at high xp gain per minute. I think i heard of stories of 1-60 in 3 hours or less.

    5. Skipping bosses in instances by dying a few times or finding shortcuts via glitchy textures.

    6. Pulling bosses into other rooms to get 0 adds, or very few.

    7. Getting into boss rooms w/o activating portals and pulling them out or glitching them all together.

    8. Respawning bosses non-stop. I think this only happened in the Pirate Ship if you didn't kill his initial adds.

     

    Finally I feel the double blue circle shit from Clerics is broken and should have been fixed a long time ago. Trivializes a lot of the game because it reduces damage taken by so much (they stack).

     

    I probably missed some lol, this has been insane and I have no desire to play --- but I will wait to see what they do. Anyone who exploited should be banned and their ADs should be tracked and banned the ones they traded too.

  • povilezazpovilezaz Member UncommonPosts: 25
    Originally posted by bezado

     


    Originally posted by SpottyGekko
    Epic fail indeed...

     

     

    The Gateway has now been shut down, but the AH is still operational at this moment. However, the AH is an epic mess of items offered at negative prices and prices running into the 20M to 30M AD range...

     

    The "Buy Zen" portion of the Zen/AD Exchange is non-functional.

     

    But the "Sell Zen" portion of the Zen/AD Exchange is open for business. Just sold 500 Zen @ 490 AD each, because nobody can convert their ingame AD to Zen due to the Exchange not allowing trade in that direction.
     

    There's at least one thread on the official forums discussing the dupe in detail. The thread is at over 24 pages and still going strong... no lock, no deletion, no moderation.

     

    Sad, sad, sad....


     


    Yeah that is worrisome. Other game companies would of deleted those threads and locked them. Upon hearing of it they should of been competent and did the right thing to keep the exploit from even being talked about on their forums. Also they should of started banning people right away so that they wouldn't have a chance to circumnavigate AD through multiple accounts that would made it more difficult to track down.


    Deleting threads baning ppl ??? wtf are you talking about they just need to fix exploit .... whats wrong with you ppl !!!!

  • VorthanionVorthanion Member RarePosts: 2,749
    Originally posted by bezado

     


    Originally posted by Dahkoht
    A prime example of why I believe there should always be at least a minor barrier to entry.

     

    Even if it only costs 5.00 to make an account , this immediately knocks out a huge chunk of idiots/cheaters/spammers and so on.

    If someone isn't willing to spend 5.00 to start an account to try/play an mmorpg , they likely wouldn't have spend a dime in the shop to begin with.

    Allowing unlimited free account with zero effort leads to nothing but unusable general chat , repeated attempts at cheating , and unlimited accounts for gold sellers.

    You have these in all games , but f2p has a far larger portion of them.

    There doesn't have to be a sub fee , or a large upfront box price , but make it at least something monetarily required and you'd see the benefits far outweigh the negative.


     


    Not true at all unfortunately. I been playing mmorpg's for last 14 years and I can tell you from experience that is not true because a great deal of cheaters exploiters were part of the subscription based games and still are to this day. Just because it's F2P doesn't mean that it would bring rift raft, they come no matter what.

    Also what is stopping these exploiters by moving large quantities of AD across multiple accounts with different ip's on legit trades? If you post a legit trade in zone chat for example and you are the exploiter who has millions of AD and your friend or someone on another account trades with you, then they would end up with those AD's. PW needs to not only ban them but follow the AD trails and ban those as well. It sucks but they need to or otherwise face large population downsize.

    One more thing I just want to say is wtf is up with lame kids who put a z on the end of lol or words like that? Looks not only dumb but also is very old 2004-2005 WOW era when it came out, I never understood it. Really stupid.

    I've been playing MMOs since 1999 and I can tell you as fact that the sheer number of asshattery and cheating and spammers has exploded exponentially with the loss of subscriptions.  Only those who could afford the loss, were willing to make more accounts after being banned in a subscription game.  The thing about games like EQ is that they did not enforce rules as much as modern games.  They lacked the tools that are built into today's MMO.  That is why we still had enough gold sellers and whatnot hanging around as it was much harder back then to trace transactions and verify bad behavior without a ton of research.

     

    Now we have the exact opposite, games are happy to ban and have built in tools to make it easy and quick to track and verify, but since accounts are not traced by IP and or clients are using dynamic IP's, it makes it impossible for the ban to actually work and with no subscription to add a barrier to entry, it's going to remain a rampant and serious problem.

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  • DahkohtDahkoht Member UncommonPosts: 479

    I've got to ask , has their ever been a simpler and more blatant exploit to slip through months of testing then simply putting a negative value in an auction house ?

    Screams zero Q/A.

  • KaeriganKaerigan Member Posts: 689
    Originally posted by Robokapp
    Originally posted by bezado

    he AD trails and ban those as well. It sucks but they need to or otherwise face large population downsize.

    One more thing I just want to say is wtf is up with lame kids who put a z on the end of lol or words like that? Looks not only dumb but also is very old 2004-2005 WOW era when it came out, I never understood it. Really stupid.

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  • GolelornGolelorn Member RarePosts: 1,395

    With the previous exploits that have gone unpunished, and now this blatantly obvious and public exploit my faith in this game has plummeted. Combined with the numerous bugs, and design decisions(must wait to teleport to instance of party members, must disband from current group after PvP or dungeons, strange double ingame currency) I just don't think I can continue.

     

    I have zero faith this game is not choke full of Chinese farming exploiters along with the target base of normal players that are cheating. PWE and Cryptic are basically giving their OK to cheat by sitting on their chops. Pathetic.

  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Originally posted by Dahkoht

    I've got to ask , has their ever been a simpler and more blatant exploit to slip through months of testing then simply putting a negative value in an auction house ?

    Screams zero Q/A.

     

    Yup, it's F2P, so a great many of the "players" don't give a damn.

    Seems the devs have caught that spirit too...

     

    The true irony here is that if they'd actually had a REAL open beta with all Cash Shop purchases refunded at the pre-launch character wipe, then the effect of all these dupes, exploits and scams would have been... ZERO.

     

    But the fact that they've been taking real money and promising "no more wipes" has made things hugely complicated.

  • davc123davc123 Member UncommonPosts: 458
    some ppls want now full wipe but if will be  full wipe  50% ppls will left
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Originally posted by davc123
    some ppls want now full wipe but if will full wipe  50% ppls will left

    They won't wipe.

    If they do, they'll get hit with a massive amount of legitimate cc chargebacks from unhappy players. They clearly stated "no more wipes", so if they break that promise a chargeback is totally legit.

  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    Originally posted by Jyiiga
    It is posted all over the forums on how to do it. So there will have to be a rollback at this point. Stuff keeps happening like this, I think it might be time to cut my losses and head to another game. 

     I think this might be a case where people spreading the details of an exploit could be a good thing.  When a high percentage know about the exploit, it puts pressure on the devs to do a better job.

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  • STD-SkinSTD-Skin Member Posts: 13
    Originally posted by bezado

     


    Originally posted by SpottyGekko
    Epic fail indeed...

     

     

    The Gateway has now been shut down, but the AH is still operational at this moment. However, the AH is an epic mess of items offered at negative prices and prices running into the 20M to 30M AD range...

     

    The "Buy Zen" portion of the Zen/AD Exchange is non-functional.

     

    But the "Sell Zen" portion of the Zen/AD Exchange is open for business. Just sold 500 Zen @ 490 AD each, because nobody can convert their ingame AD to Zen due to the Exchange not allowing trade in that direction.
     

    There's at least one thread on the official forums discussing the dupe in detail. The thread is at over 24 pages and still going strong... no lock, no deletion, no moderation.

     

    Sad, sad, sad....


     


    Yeah that is worrisome. Other game companies would of deleted those threads and locked them. Upon hearing of it they should of been competent and did the right thing to keep the exploit from even being talked about on their forums. Also they should of started banning people right away so that they wouldn't have a chance to circumnavigate AD through multiple accounts that would made it more difficult to track down.

    NO, what they should of done was had an actual beta instead of releasing early and calling it an open beta. You dont run a cash shop in beta and you sure as shit dont ban people for finding bug during a beta.

  • flizzerflizzer Member RarePosts: 2,455

    I still fail to understand why anyone would give a company money for ingame prodcucts that was still in open beta, but I suppose gamers as a group never learn.  Ive been avoiding the AH while in open beta and havent used Zen at all yet.  As the saying goes....a fool and his money.   

     

    I expect we will start seeing people whining about getting banned for exploiting soon.  "But I didnt do anything, etc....". Just wait.

  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    Originally posted by Robokapp
    Originally posted by waynejr2
    Originally posted by Jyiiga
    It is posted all over the forums on how to do it. So there will have to be a rollback at this point. Stuff keeps happening like this, I think it might be time to cut my losses and head to another game. 

     I think this might be a case where people spreading the details of an exploit could be a good thing.  When a high percentage know about the exploit, it puts pressure on the devs to do a better job.

    welcome to the AIDS club of the 90s basically ?

     

     As a dev, I think game devs want to  hide problems.  This leads to thinking they have plenty of time to deal with it.  Having it out there puts pressure to deal with it now in the short term.  It might lead to the team using higher standards of development and CMM.  Putting out fires sucks, planning to prevent them is smarter. 

    If I were doing a closed beta for a game, I would have bug database readable by the testers.  Exposing the issues helps where hiding.  There are other benefits, but that is for another thread.

    Think about duping back in the early days of mmorpgs.  How can this still be happening?

     

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  • DaranarDaranar Member UncommonPosts: 392
    Originally posted by Gravarg
    Someday I hope people will learn it is a lot more satisfying to earn things instead of cheating or getting it for free...

    +1

    If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!


  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Originally posted by Robokapp
    Originally posted by STD-Skin
    Originally posted by bezado

     


    Originally posted by SpottyGekko
    Epic fail indeed...

     

     

    The Gateway has now been shut down, but the AH is still operational at this moment. However, the AH is an epic mess of items offered at negative prices and prices running into the 20M to 30M AD range...

     

    The "Buy Zen" portion of the Zen/AD Exchange is non-functional.

     

    But the "Sell Zen" portion of the Zen/AD Exchange is open for business. Just sold 500 Zen @ 490 AD each, because nobody can convert their ingame AD to Zen due to the Exchange not allowing trade in that direction.
     

    There's at least one thread on the official forums discussing the dupe in detail. The thread is at over 24 pages and still going strong... no lock, no deletion, no moderation.

     

    Sad, sad, sad....


     


    Yeah that is worrisome. Other game companies would of deleted those threads and locked them. Upon hearing of it they should of been competent and did the right thing to keep the exploit from even being talked about on their forums. Also they should of started banning people right away so that they wouldn't have a chance to circumnavigate AD through multiple accounts that would made it more difficult to track down.

    NO, what they should of done was had an actual beta instead of releasing early and calling it an open beta. You dont run a cash shop in beta and you sure as shit dont ban people for finding bug during a beta.

    that's a very critical point of discussion imo.

     

    it's a beta. a bug was found.

     

    why the bans ? game's being beta-tested exactly to find bugs. 

    Awww, you guys...

     

    It's quite simple really:

    the GAME is in Open Beta

    the CASH SHOP has been Launched

     

    So if anyone messes with the ingame currency by duping it, they can be banned because the economy has already been launched...

    See ?

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  • DaranarDaranar Member UncommonPosts: 392
    Originally posted by Robokapp
    Originally posted by STD-Skin
    Originally posted by bezado

     


    Originally posted by SpottyGekko
    Epic fail indeed...

     

     

    The Gateway has now been shut down, but the AH is still operational at this moment. However, the AH is an epic mess of items offered at negative prices and prices running into the 20M to 30M AD range...

     

    The "Buy Zen" portion of the Zen/AD Exchange is non-functional.

     

    But the "Sell Zen" portion of the Zen/AD Exchange is open for business. Just sold 500 Zen @ 490 AD each, because nobody can convert their ingame AD to Zen due to the Exchange not allowing trade in that direction.
     

    There's at least one thread on the official forums discussing the dupe in detail. The thread is at over 24 pages and still going strong... no lock, no deletion, no moderation.

     

    Sad, sad, sad....


     


    Yeah that is worrisome. Other game companies would of deleted those threads and locked them. Upon hearing of it they should of been competent and did the right thing to keep the exploit from even being talked about on their forums. Also they should of started banning people right away so that they wouldn't have a chance to circumnavigate AD through multiple accounts that would made it more difficult to track down.

    NO, what they should of done was had an actual beta instead of releasing early and calling it an open beta. You dont run a cash shop in beta and you sure as shit dont ban people for finding bug during a beta.

    that's a very critical point of discussion imo.

     

    it's a beta. a bug was found.

     

    why the bans ? game's being beta-tested exactly to find bugs. 

    It's not a beta.  In case you couldn't read that.   THIS IS NOT A BETA! They are using creative terminology to draw players to the game.  If it's a f2p game that launches thats cool.  But if idiots who wanna be cool and play a "beta" have a chance to claim they beta tested Neverwinter Online, they will be more excited to play the game, which is entirely in a launch state.  Not only that, but it is also a fail safe b***h out excuse if things go wrong...as made evident by this right now.   This "Open Beta" is entirely a marketing ploy.  

     

    Please if you think this is beta, describe one way in which this differs from any full released f2p game.  Because as many stated, you would NEVER ban a player for discovering a exploit in a true beta (whether open or closed), and you also would not charge players for ZEN in a true beta.   In betas they grant you ZEN to test the cash shop features/economy.    

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  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Member RarePosts: 3,655
    Originally posted by davc123
    some ppls want now full wipe but if will be  full wipe  50% ppls will left

    Oh really?  50% of the people will leave?

    Perhaps, just maybe, you mean that you feel a wipe will cause a lot of the people who paid for the game to charge back / quit playing.  That would make sense.  However, random numbers are random, and using them so arbitrarily makes you look like you don't know what you are talking about.

  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Member RarePosts: 3,655
    Originally posted by Daranar

    Please if you think this is beta, describe one way in which this differs from any full released f2p game.  Because as many stated, you would NEVER ban a player for discovering a exploit in a true beta (whether open or closed), and you also would not charge players for ZEN in a true beta.   In betas they grant you ZEN to test the cash shop features/economy.    

    I've done the beta's for several Perfect World games.

    Never had them give me Zen to try to test anything out.

    They would ban people in BETA for exploits and for publicizing them, which is what they are being banned for, not for just cheating, but for telling everyone about it and causing more cheating. 

    They said the game isn't going to be wiped anymore, that makes it release in my book.

  • JudgeUKJudgeUK Member RarePosts: 1,701

    Well....

    I've previously posted that this game desperately needs a wipe. But now I've changed my mind.....

    For a sheer comedy of errors this is excellent entertainment.

    Best way to play the game:- create character, go to Protectors Enclave, buy popcorn, find a nice seat, sit back and enjoy the utter chaos.

  • snapfusionsnapfusion Member Posts: 954
    Originally posted by AwDiddums
    Originally posted by Dogblaster
    Originally posted by Gravarg
    Someday I hope people will learn it is a lot more satisfying to earn things instead of cheating or getting it for free...

    Whole purpose of f2p game is to play for free ;)

    And it is F2P.  lvl 36 Devoted Cleric, didn't pay anything for the client, and have not paid any real money into the game at all. I don't believe I am missing out on anything at all.

    I also believe I can with patience get everything that is in the store, ofc I've got patience by the bucket load, there are however plenty out there that want immediate gratification and for those schmucks there is the wonderful opportunity to hand over your cash to get all those wonderful things straight away.

    As for the dupe, well I'm sure those that are advertising themselves as taking part or for helping to spread it that they may find their free accounts temp or perma banned, I hope it's the latter.

     

    That's the beauty of F2P for the developers, some of the people that want to play for free don't think they are missing anything.

    Others that play for free know they are missing parts of the game or taking 10x times longer to do things and just accept it.

    Then there is another group of people that will spend what they used to spend on a box / sub game and get more of the game in a reasonable amount of time but not all the game in a reasonable amount of time.

    Then there is another group of people that will overspend on items to acquire the complete game quicker but spend far far far more than a traditional box / sub would ever cost someone.

    So the first group is just ignorant.

    The second group is just cheap or has way way way more time than money

    The third group is getting hosed compared to a traditional box sub

    And the last group is just getting completely bent over but either doesn't care, or has some sort of gambling spending disorder that will eventually catch up with them.

  • bezadobezado Member UncommonPosts: 1,127


    Originally posted by Daranar
    Originally posted by Robokapp Originally posted by STD-Skin Originally posted by bezado   Originally posted by SpottyGekko Epic fail indeed...     The Gateway has now been shut down, but the AH is still operational at this moment. However, the AH is an epic mess of items offered at negative prices and prices running into the 20M to 30M AD range...   The "Buy Zen" portion of the Zen/AD Exchange is non-functional.   But the "Sell Zen" portion of the Zen/AD Exchange is open for business. Just sold 500 Zen @ 490 AD each, because nobody can convert their ingame AD to Zen due to the Exchange not allowing trade in that direction.   There's at least one thread on the official forums discussing the dupe in detail. The thread is at over 24 pages and still going strong... no lock, no deletion, no moderation.   Sad, sad, sad....
      Yeah that is worrisome. Other game companies would of deleted those threads and locked them. Upon hearing of it they should of been competent and did the right thing to keep the exploit from even being talked about on their forums. Also they should of started banning people right away so that they wouldn't have a chance to circumnavigate AD through multiple accounts that would made it more difficult to track down.
    NO, what they should of done was had an actual beta instead of releasing early and calling it an open beta. You dont run a cash shop in beta and you sure as shit dont ban people for finding bug during a beta.
    that's a very critical point of discussion imo.   it's a beta. a bug was found.   why the bans ? game's being beta-tested exactly to find bugs. 
    It's not a beta.  In case you couldn't read that.   THIS IS NOT A BETA! They are using creative terminology to draw players to the game.  If it's a f2p game that launches thats cool.  But if idiots who wanna be cool and play a "beta" have a chance to claim they beta tested Neverwinter Online, they will be more excited to play the game, which is entirely in a launch state.  Not only that, but it is also a fail safe b***h out excuse if things go wrong...as made evident by this right now.   This "Open Beta" is entirely a marketing ploy.  

     

    Please if you think this is beta, describe one way in which this differs from any full released f2p game.  Because as many stated, you would NEVER ban a player for discovering a exploit in a true beta (whether open or closed), and you also would not charge players for ZEN in a true beta.   In betas they grant you ZEN to test the cash shop features/economy.    


    Exactly. My post stands, they should of banned them immediately instead of waiting. The game is a launch with beta used as a marketing ploy. If they take your money then the economy can't be messed with intentionally by exploiters. Allowing them to hide behind the beta idea would mean your money spent means nothing, so what would the point be for them taking your money if an exploiter can do the same but free of charge. People need to realize that.

  • DaranarDaranar Member UncommonPosts: 392

    I'm not here to be a informative voice, just a reminder.  Because though some of you realize this.   Most people in-game don't...listen to enclave chat.   

     

    In the end tho, PWE have themselves in quite a pickle.  Rollback and you lose a lot of people, most likely myself.   Don't rollback and you lose all the people who have an emphasis on economies.   Personally I don't want a rollback because I enjoy playing through the game and not playing the economy.  I don't want to lose the progress I made (tho i could use a rebuild) and I am incredibly afraid of my foundry being wiped (don't know if that would happen or not in a wipe/rollback.   I hate this ZEN/AD/Gold currency system.  But I also understand people love to explore economies in MMOs just as I enjoy exploring caverns and castles, both valuable parts of MMOs.  

     

    I feel sorry for PWE, there is no fix to this that won't piss off a solid chunk of the player base.  

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  • GardavsshadeGardavsshade Member UncommonPosts: 907
    Originally posted by Gravarg
    Someday I hope people will learn it is a lot more satisfying to earn things instead of cheating or getting it for free...

    I hoped for the same thing too for many many years. Then I remembered the story that even Eve (not the game) cheated and got her hubby to cheat as well...

    That's when I got really cynical and realized the whole species is just plain borked and fubar. No sense in hoping for trustworthiness and decency from People with screwed up genetics. Even though many People say the story itself is a fabrication, the evidence in the real world confirms the story's basic premise everyday.

     

    What's happening in NeverWinter is perfectly predictable and of of course Perfect World wasn't ready for it.

    Even though I am an old Ad&D fan from many years ago, I am now very happy that I made the decision to NOT Play Neverwinter Online. I was tempted, oh yes....

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