While a wipe would be the best bet for them from a brand satisfaction standpoint, they have backed themselves into a corner by the whole beta/live cash store double blind.
If they don't wipe most of the exploit gains remain and their brand takes a pretty major hit
If they do wipe they must do a line by line audit of every transaction of the game to ensure that legitimate customers get refunded for wiped digital purchases...that's a lot of man-hours
or they could go for option C and do a wipe with no refund at all and hope they have enough of a paying player base on the other side
They are more or less in a loose/loose scenario and they put themselves in it.
It wouldn't be hard, if you go to your wallet for Zen at PWE they show every transaction of transferring Zen to Neverwinter. They just need to revert those Zen back. All of your Zen for money purchases are easily confirmed.
Giffen, you clearly don't understand. They have to read up on every character manually, they have to hire thousands of typists tp put it all on paper and even more people to read it all and then even more people to fix it. Manually...one by one...takes ages...
Kidding ofc, I think some people don't really understand the ease a simple or even complex database can bring you.
Never heard of scripts? All you need is for someone to write some scripts, looking for certain value conditions. Other scripts would look for other variables. Certain values kick that account over to other scripts for analysis. Once you have the first and second tier runs, you have the results that can be examined in a typical data table display system.
Flag the suspect accounts for human examination, once they have been examined, perma ban the accounts in question, and move on to the next phase, which would track detail transactions of a certain boundary value(more scripts). Bottom line, anyone with even normal understanding of data mining, and analysis would be able to handle this type of operation.
If you believe this was open beta rather than a release -
Time in open beta is an investment in getting the game to release - time for the game community, not time for yourself. A full reset is always a possibility from a true open beta. I think anyone saying hey what about the value of my time you can't wipe my character and reset me, is just selfish as the exploiters. A wipe is the most equal thing that can happen, every has to relevel together. If it isn't about the community why the hell are you playing an MMO? There are much better alternatives to MMOs if the condition of the community matters less to you than the condition of your character.
The problem is they accepted cash, which locked them into a world of trouble if the game actually turned out not to be ready for release. That is simple to fix though, a set amount of zen was purchased, you get that back. Now the greedy are going to say yeah but I bought zen which got me a shat ton of AD, I want all that AD. Well again open beta TS, you get your zen and not the benefit of buying millions of AD made worthless by duping.
As far as the value of their word - if they were going to be true to their word by calling it open beta a full wipe should have always been a real possibility and definitely not ever off the table.
They lied the minute they called it open beta and everyone wanted to accept the label to justify the incompleteness but then they turned around and invested their time and money into as if it was released.
Seriously there needs to be a wipe! I am an experienced software engineer who has worked on many MMOs just like all of you. I am contracted by Cryptic so I have access to all the information they know about the situation and like all of you other Cryptic employees I also know that you CANNOT fix this issue without a full wipe......
O wait I am none of these things and neither are any of you, so enough with this wipe crap. If you want your characters deleted, delete them. Otherwise IF the issue can be resolved in any other manner, stop trying to have other people's characters deleted. Oh and let those whose job it is to fix this, fix it. You can't so shut up. Even if you are an experienced developer, you don't have the information dealing with this issue, so shut it, and stop protesting to have my character and foundries deleted.
People here (regardless of pro-wipe / anti-wipe camp) aren't posting/commenting as SW developers. They are commenting as consumers since that's what PWE/Cryptic made them by SELLING a service. As it's a commercial product it will get judged/commented on as such good, bad, or indifferent.
they need to fix the exploits not wipe..people who have done things on the up and up..the right way without cheating..shouldn't have to suffer because of the asshole's that abused the game...wiping will kill the game period..and if they wipe i want my money back in full..!
While a wipe would be the best bet for them from a brand satisfaction standpoint, they have backed themselves into a corner by the whole beta/live cash store double blind.
If they don't wipe most of the exploit gains remain and their brand takes a pretty major hit
If they do wipe they must do a line by line audit of every transaction of the game to ensure that legitimate customers get refunded for wiped digital purchases...that's a lot of man-hours
or they could go for option C and do a wipe with no refund at all and hope they have enough of a paying player base on the other side
They are more or less in a loose/loose scenario and they put themselves in it.
It wouldn't be hard, if you go to your wallet for Zen at PWE they show every transaction of transferring Zen to Neverwinter. They just need to revert those Zen back. All of your Zen for money purchases are easily confirmed.
Giffen, you clearly don't understand. They have to read up on every character manually, they have to hire thousands of typists tp put it all on paper and even more people to read it all and then even more people to fix it. Manually...one by one...takes ages...
Kidding ofc, I think some people don't really understand the ease a simple or even complex database can bring you.
Never heard of scripts? All you need is for someone to write some scripts, looking for certain value conditions. Other scripts would look for other variables. Certain values kick that account over to other scripts for analysis. Once you have the first and second tier runs, you have the results that can be examined in a typical data table display system.
Flag the suspect accounts for human examination, once they have been examined, perma ban the accounts in question, and move on to the next phase, which would track detail transactions of a certain boundary value(more scripts). Bottom line, anyone with even normal understanding of data mining, and analysis would be able to handle this type of operation.
Read the part I made red now please, I think you missed it.
How is a complete wipe fair to people who played the game legit though?
If I was to log-on at this point and see my character go from 55 > 0. I'd probably /uninstall, and ask for a refund, and charge them back if they did not comply.
I don't see honest players coming out clean in anyway unless they make the changes effect ONLY exploiters and reset the AH.
It's not fair, but the current state of the game is equally unfair for them as they will no longer be able to compete. The duped AD have been distributed into the pockets of innocent players who made trades with the dupers. That means bans or rollbacks will not be enough as this has been going on since launch. The simple presence of all those ADs in the market have already caused hyper-inflation on a massive scale and nothing short of a complete reset is going to remove them all.
To explain the impact of this on a casual or new player:
You will not be able to afford anything on the AH.
Newly capped players will be unable to get groups as everyone (including those who didn't dupe themselves but became rich as a result of the inflation) has now used duped AD to buy all the best gear. Elitism was bad enough before but now players will be expected to have the very best gear already.
There is little of value for new players to sell on the AH as the most valuable things (enchants and epics) are exclusive drops in the epic versions of instances that new players will not be able to get groups for.
Put simply if you weren't involved in this exploit there is no way for you to catch up. Nothing short of a complete server wipe is really going to resolve this.
Originally posted by Gable What am I missing here? Why would there be a wipe? Has something changed? Otherwise, beta>live was going to be no change at all, so what happened that people think it might be otherwise?
There's been a massive exploit that has practically destroyed the game's economy.
An exploit where players enter panic mode and scream end of the world, as most MMOs economies quickly balance out after stuff like this. There's no indication the economy is "destroyed." If people genuinely believe this is the end of the world and the server needs a restart then they should quit playing altogether because it means the economy is not stable enough to handle such issues.
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No surprise there, I've been saying it all along too.
A wipe has far too many nasty implications for PWE's economy, and that's faaar more important than NWO's economy
This , (points to above post) All credit is given to the above poster, I deserve no credit accept for my ability to raise my middle finger to point to the above for a reference to the OP that I agree with.
Originally posted by Xepo They may want to rethink that statement. For many and I mean many on forums from this site to face Book hundreds if not thousands are saying they would rather see a complete wipe.
This time PWI nailed it on themselves.
A crappy game from cryptic.
An unfinished product sold to consumers.
This is just malpractice.
This defines the underlying faulty legal formalities biding a game company.
It is just a shameful epic example.
I think i should chime in because there is a little more to Cryptic than i think many realize.They sold out to Perfect World and reason why is anyone's guess.IMO they sold out because they were strapped for cash,who knows they may have struck a deal with PWI during the publishing talks.
I will go on a limb and say they were in trouble for cash.Everything became PWI's decision and they are a publisher not a game designer.I would say their agenda was to get the game out immediately weather it was deemed in Cryptic's eyes as complete or not.
I see the same trend i saw in SWTOR with the crafting system,just an automated behind the scenes type of crafting system.Nw does have the nodes but limited inside the instances.
There lies the big problem with this game >>>instances,everything is instances,nothing in the city is a real building,just doors and gates and sewer grids with sparkles in front to click into an instance.
So the design is right in front of our eyes,it was a low budget game designed to run cheap same as every other f2p game.Did the result at least come off playable,yes it did but just barely and imo not good enough to keep one interested for a very long time.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
they need to fix the exploits not wipe..people who have done things on the up and up..the right way without cheating..shouldn't have to suffer because of the asshole's that abused the game...wiping will kill the game period..and if they wipe i want my money back in full..!
Those who did things on the up and up the right way without cheating - already have and will continue to suffer if they are not allowed to start in a clean environment with a clean market from scratch.
I am starting to agree with a new server for those who want that clean slate and let all the cheaters and the "I have invested all my timers" stay on these servers because whether they wipe them or not the current servers are dead.
Your time has already been spent, if you really believe that time will have been wasted wait until you how you feel about the time you spend while these servers whither and slowly die in three months.
If at anytime they merge today's servers with any server other than each other I will leave then for sure, anyone who stayed on these servers should have to live with that choice forever. The desire not to wipe is from greed of the individual not the need of the community, stay in your unwiped environment but give me a new one. I will not return to these servers without a full wipe, they are forever tainted.
And for goodness sake really - "what about the value of my invested time"? - if the time you spent gaming was so valuable to you, you would be doing something else. Playing games is killing time - there is no value in your character because of the time you invested in it. Any value from play time is from the experience and joy that remains no matter what - the character is virtual and has no intrinsic or extrinsic value. Starting from scratch with everyone else has more opportunity for the value of the experience than struggling in an economy that is gone.
said it in the other thread and i say it here. a wipe would make a lot of people to quit the game. one of them is me. just made it to 60 with my mage and the cleric is 54. i cant be bothered to lvl those chars again. and i don't care about the fake ad in the game now. just wipe the ad or w/e if u want.
Yeah not like it would only take about 3 days to a week to reach capped level again. Just play in a collapsed economy that won't affect the game at all.
Originally posted by Gable What am I missing here? Why would there be a wipe? Has something changed? Otherwise, beta>live was going to be no change at all, so what happened that people think it might be otherwise?
There's been a massive exploit that has practically destroyed the game's economy.
An exploit where players enter panic mode and scream end of the world, as most MMOs economies quickly balance out after stuff like this. There's no indication the economy is "destroyed." If people genuinely believe this is the end of the world and the server needs a restart then they should quit playing altogether because it means the economy is not stable enough to handle such issues.
No game economy is stable enough to survive players being able to instantly generate billions of said games credit system.
And being able to repeat it into the limit the bank would hold , as in 999,999.999.999 billion in the character account. Then add multiple free accounts for each person doing this.
Your assertion that every mmo economy should and can handle being able to instantly max out for anyone who wants to , their account currency limit , is ridiculous.
They sold me 2 million AD as part of my Founders package , which is now very , very devalued at best.
They deserve the grief they are getting.
And the chargeback for my 200.
I'll gladly go on and play the next mmo I wish , as I've never seen a mmo company who lets you simply put a negative value in an AH system. Its the most shoddy Q/A I've ever seen. Again , they deserve the flak they are getting here and on the official forums.
How is a complete wipe fair to people who played the game legit though?
If I was to log-on at this point and see my character go from 55 > 0. I'd probably /uninstall, and ask for a refund, and charge them back if they did not comply.
I don't see honest players coming out clean in anyway unless they make the changes effect ONLY exploiters and reset the AH.
It's not fair, but the current state of the game is equally unfair for them as they will no longer be able to compete. The duped AD have been distributed into the pockets of innocent players who made trades with the dupers. That means bans or rollbacks will not be enough as this has been going on since launch. The simple presence of all those ADs in the market have already caused hyper-inflation on a massive scale and nothing short of a complete reset is going to remove them all.
To explain the impact of this on a casual or new player:
You will not be able to afford anything on the AH.
Newly capped players will be unable to get groups as everyone (including those who didn't dupe themselves but became rich as a result of the inflation) has now used duped AD to buy all the best gear. Elitism was bad enough before but now players will be expected to have the very best gear already.
There is little of value for new players to sell on the AH as the most valuable things (enchants and epics) are exclusive drops in the epic versions of instances that new players will not be able to get groups for.
Put simply if you weren't involved in this exploit there is no way for you to catch up. Nothing short of a complete server wipe is really going to resolve this.
Pure speculation and fear mongering on your part. The economy is only about 3 weeks old. No way you can tell this will have a lasting effect. Case in point: I personally didn't even bother with the AH until I hit level 25 because I've had plenty of experience with F2P mmorpgs and inflated AH prices. It happens ALL THE TIME. It's mainly because closed beta testers are the ones that set the prices for anyone coming late to the party.
So I usually look at vendor prices to find equivalent gear/items to compare to AH prices. Once I did my research I found that AD prices for runes/enchants were greatly lower on the AH than the ones found on the Wondrous Bazaar. Also items sold by players on the AH have a auto pricing system in place. This means that players can use the system to check what a listing would be for a similar item by putting one up for sale before they bid on a item they want.
Lastly like a stated before. When a market becomes inflated very rarely is it only on the things new/casual players want. Low level runes/enchants, resources, wards and even higher level runes/enchants (through invocation/coins) are all available to low level players and will still be in demand. They too will rise in price so if low level players have a means of getting their hands on anything of value, they will be gaining just as much AD to ride the wave. Plus AD are a free currency anyway.
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Originally posted by Gable What am I missing here? Why would there be a wipe? Has something changed? Otherwise, beta>live was going to be no change at all, so what happened that people think it might be otherwise?
There's been a massive exploit that has practically destroyed the game's economy.
An exploit where players enter panic mode and scream end of the world, as most MMOs economies quickly balance out after stuff like this. There's no indication the economy is "destroyed." If people genuinely believe this is the end of the world and the server needs a restart then they should quit playing altogether because it means the economy is not stable enough to handle such issues.
No game economy is stable enough to survive players being able to instantly generate billions of said games credit system.
And being able to repeat it into the limit the bank would hold , as in 999,999.999.999 billion in the character account. Then add multiple free accounts for each person doing this.
Your assertion that every mmo economy should and can handle being able to instantly max out for anyone who wants to , their account currency limit , is ridiculous.
They sold me 2 million AD as part of my Founders package , which is now very , very devalued at best.
They deserve the grief they are getting.
And the chargeback for my 200.
I'll gladly go on and play the next mmo I wish , as I've never seen a mmo company who lets you simply put a negative value in an AH system. Its the most shoddy Q/A I've ever seen. Again , they deserve the flak they are getting here and on the official forums.
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Lastly like a stated before. When a market becomes inflated very rarely is it only on the things new/casual players want. Low level runes/enchants, resources, wards and even higher level runes/enchants (through invocation/coins) are all available to low level players and will still be in demand. They too will rise in price so if low level players have a means of getting their hands on anything of value, they will be gaining just as much AD to ride the wave. Plus AD are a free currency anyway.
Chris Kramer (the then director of public relations for EQ2 publisher Sony Online Entertainment) said much the same thing during the initial inflation "bubble" after EQ2's launch. Wonder how that turned out
The game is toast, we're not talking thousands of units of currency rather billions, they don't sell currency in large blocks... how do you compete?! You don't.
Pretty sad about this whole state of affairs as my wife and I really did enjoy the game. I've asked her to see about getting any sort of refund, for myself I've only spent a small amount on the game.
Welp looks like its back to TSW and DCUO for me. Maybe Age of Wushu or Dark Fall if I can get used to open world PVPing again
Playing: TSW, D&D NW, Defiance (more the tv show than game >.> ) LotRO, DCUO
Lastly like a stated before. When a market becomes inflated very rarely is it only on the things new/casual players want. Low level runes/enchants, resources, wards and even higher level runes/enchants (through invocation/coins) are all available to low level players and will still be in demand. They too will rise in price so if low level players have a means of getting their hands on anything of value, they will be gaining just as much AD to ride the wave. Plus AD are a free currency anyway.
Chris Kramer (the then director of public relations for EQ2 publisher Sony Online Entertainment) said much the same thing during the initial inflation "bubble" after EQ2's launch. Wonder how that turned out
Well according to Chris the problem was discovered on Saturday and steps were taken to resolve the issue on Sunday. Also Plat had a few qualities that differed from AD. Namely it was the main currency in the game, unrestricted, tradable and the whole economy was based on it's use. Even the exchange system (plat-->cash-->items) used plat as a basis for it's system. And there were numerous sinks in place to remove it from circulation.
Neverwinter and AD different in a few ways:
Astral Diamonds are character bound thus cannot be traded
Astral Diamonds are 1 of 6 currencies in the game
Astral Diamonds are gathered by dailies or selling idols (40k a pop)
Astral Diamonds are used primarily on the AH
Astral Diamonds is a cumulative currency with a high circulation rate
That last point means that there are very little sinks to take AD out of circulation. Which inevitably mean that it was created to allow huge balances of it to cumulate on a single character. That in turn allows PWE to do a few charatcer bans/wipes to drastically bring down the amount in circulation without having to wipe an entire server.
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Never heard of scripts? All you need is for someone to write some scripts, looking for certain value conditions. Other scripts would look for other variables. Certain values kick that account over to other scripts for analysis. Once you have the first and second tier runs, you have the results that can be examined in a typical data table display system.
Flag the suspect accounts for human examination, once they have been examined, perma ban the accounts in question, and move on to the next phase, which would track detail transactions of a certain boundary value(more scripts). Bottom line, anyone with even normal understanding of data mining, and analysis would be able to handle this type of operation.
If you believe this was open beta rather than a release -
Time in open beta is an investment in getting the game to release - time for the game community, not time for yourself. A full reset is always a possibility from a true open beta. I think anyone saying hey what about the value of my time you can't wipe my character and reset me, is just selfish as the exploiters. A wipe is the most equal thing that can happen, every has to relevel together. If it isn't about the community why the hell are you playing an MMO? There are much better alternatives to MMOs if the condition of the community matters less to you than the condition of your character.
The problem is they accepted cash, which locked them into a world of trouble if the game actually turned out not to be ready for release. That is simple to fix though, a set amount of zen was purchased, you get that back. Now the greedy are going to say yeah but I bought zen which got me a shat ton of AD, I want all that AD. Well again open beta TS, you get your zen and not the benefit of buying millions of AD made worthless by duping.
As far as the value of their word - if they were going to be true to their word by calling it open beta a full wipe should have always been a real possibility and definitely not ever off the table.
They lied the minute they called it open beta and everyone wanted to accept the label to justify the incompleteness but then they turned around and invested their time and money into as if it was released.
Confirmed: no wipe!
People here (regardless of pro-wipe / anti-wipe camp) aren't posting/commenting as SW developers. They are commenting as consumers since that's what PWE/Cryptic made them by SELLING a service. As it's a commercial product it will get judged/commented on as such good, bad, or indifferent.
they need to fix the exploits not wipe..people who have done things on the up and up..the right way without cheating..shouldn't have to suffer because of the asshole's that abused the game...wiping will kill the game period..and if they wipe i want my money back in full..!
Read the part I made red now please, I think you missed it.
It's not fair, but the current state of the game is equally unfair for them as they will no longer be able to compete. The duped AD have been distributed into the pockets of innocent players who made trades with the dupers. That means bans or rollbacks will not be enough as this has been going on since launch. The simple presence of all those ADs in the market have already caused hyper-inflation on a massive scale and nothing short of a complete reset is going to remove them all.
To explain the impact of this on a casual or new player:
An exploit where players enter panic mode and scream end of the world, as most MMOs economies quickly balance out after stuff like this. There's no indication the economy is "destroyed." If people genuinely believe this is the end of the world and the server needs a restart then they should quit playing altogether because it means the economy is not stable enough to handle such issues.
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So glad I decided to wait to play this game.
Besides I get claustrophobia just watching on twitch.
Feels like every zone, level etc is a corridor.
This , (points to above post) All credit is given to the above poster, I deserve no credit accept for my ability to raise my middle finger to point to the above for a reference to the OP that I agree with.
I think i should chime in because there is a little more to Cryptic than i think many realize.They sold out to Perfect World and reason why is anyone's guess.IMO they sold out because they were strapped for cash,who knows they may have struck a deal with PWI during the publishing talks.
I will go on a limb and say they were in trouble for cash.Everything became PWI's decision and they are a publisher not a game designer.I would say their agenda was to get the game out immediately weather it was deemed in Cryptic's eyes as complete or not.
I see the same trend i saw in SWTOR with the crafting system,just an automated behind the scenes type of crafting system.Nw does have the nodes but limited inside the instances.
There lies the big problem with this game >>>instances,everything is instances,nothing in the city is a real building,just doors and gates and sewer grids with sparkles in front to click into an instance.
So the design is right in front of our eyes,it was a low budget game designed to run cheap same as every other f2p game.Did the result at least come off playable,yes it did but just barely and imo not good enough to keep one interested for a very long time.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Those who did things on the up and up the right way without cheating - already have and will continue to suffer if they are not allowed to start in a clean environment with a clean market from scratch.
I am starting to agree with a new server for those who want that clean slate and let all the cheaters and the "I have invested all my timers" stay on these servers because whether they wipe them or not the current servers are dead.
Your time has already been spent, if you really believe that time will have been wasted wait until you how you feel about the time you spend while these servers whither and slowly die in three months.
If at anytime they merge today's servers with any server other than each other I will leave then for sure, anyone who stayed on these servers should have to live with that choice forever. The desire not to wipe is from greed of the individual not the need of the community, stay in your unwiped environment but give me a new one. I will not return to these servers without a full wipe, they are forever tainted.
And for goodness sake really - "what about the value of my invested time"? - if the time you spent gaming was so valuable to you, you would be doing something else. Playing games is killing time - there is no value in your character because of the time you invested in it. Any value from play time is from the experience and joy that remains no matter what - the character is virtual and has no intrinsic or extrinsic value. Starting from scratch with everyone else has more opportunity for the value of the experience than struggling in an economy that is gone.
Yeah not like it would only take about 3 days to a week to reach capped level again. Just play in a collapsed economy that won't affect the game at all.
No game economy is stable enough to survive players being able to instantly generate billions of said games credit system.
And being able to repeat it into the limit the bank would hold , as in 999,999.999.999 billion in the character account. Then add multiple free accounts for each person doing this.
Your assertion that every mmo economy should and can handle being able to instantly max out for anyone who wants to , their account currency limit , is ridiculous.
They sold me 2 million AD as part of my Founders package , which is now very , very devalued at best.
They deserve the grief they are getting.
And the chargeback for my 200.
I'll gladly go on and play the next mmo I wish , as I've never seen a mmo company who lets you simply put a negative value in an AH system. Its the most shoddy Q/A I've ever seen. Again , they deserve the flak they are getting here and on the official forums.
Pure speculation and fear mongering on your part. The economy is only about 3 weeks old. No way you can tell this will have a lasting effect. Case in point: I personally didn't even bother with the AH until I hit level 25 because I've had plenty of experience with F2P mmorpgs and inflated AH prices. It happens ALL THE TIME. It's mainly because closed beta testers are the ones that set the prices for anyone coming late to the party.
So I usually look at vendor prices to find equivalent gear/items to compare to AH prices. Once I did my research I found that AD prices for runes/enchants were greatly lower on the AH than the ones found on the Wondrous Bazaar. Also items sold by players on the AH have a auto pricing system in place. This means that players can use the system to check what a listing would be for a similar item by putting one up for sale before they bid on a item they want.
Lastly like a stated before. When a market becomes inflated very rarely is it only on the things new/casual players want. Low level runes/enchants, resources, wards and even higher level runes/enchants (through invocation/coins) are all available to low level players and will still be in demand. They too will rise in price so if low level players have a means of getting their hands on anything of value, they will be gaining just as much AD to ride the wave. Plus AD are a free currency anyway.
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John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
Chris Kramer (the then director of public relations for EQ2 publisher Sony Online Entertainment) said much the same thing during the initial inflation "bubble" after EQ2's launch. Wonder how that turned out
Pretty sad about this whole state of affairs as my wife and I really did enjoy the game. I've asked her to see about getting any sort of refund, for myself I've only spent a small amount on the game.
Welp looks like its back to TSW and DCUO for me. Maybe Age of Wushu or Dark Fall if I can get used to open world PVPing again
Playing: TSW, D&D NW, Defiance (more the tv show than game >.> ) LotRO, DCUO
Well according to Chris the problem was discovered on Saturday and steps were taken to resolve the issue on Sunday. Also Plat had a few qualities that differed from AD. Namely it was the main currency in the game, unrestricted, tradable and the whole economy was based on it's use. Even the exchange system (plat-->cash-->items) used plat as a basis for it's system. And there were numerous sinks in place to remove it from circulation.
Neverwinter and AD different in a few ways:
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Why are people asking for character wipes like THAT wouldn't completely destroy the game as well?
Here's a scenario from a person who purchased Zen, and played a character honestly to lvl 55 (if there was a complete wipe):
"Give me back my money... fuck you, fuck your game."
I'm not saying I'm the majority, but there will be other people who feel the same.
So basically what people are asking Perfect World to do is shoot themselves in the face to cure a life threatening disease.
There has got to be a better alternative.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I know it would take you 60 minutes to get to 60 instead of 55.
Haha! Nice one.