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Is EQ just nostalgia, or was it really that good?
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It was the first time most people had played an mmo so everything was new and amazing..definitely nostalgia.
My first mmo was horizons empire of istaria and i thought it was the most amazing thing i'd ever seen.
It is amazing how nostalgia colors our perceptions. My first MMO experience was Runescape and I thought that was better than sliced bread. When I first logged in I didn't even understand all those other people running around were other players. I just thought they were NPCs. I was able to buy things in the store and run around and kill goblins. I was up all night playing the game when I first discovered it!
Recently I went back and lasted less than 5 minutes before I couldn't deal with it anymore.
I'm sure Everquest when it released was an amazing experience, as many here claim. Gaming has advanced and gamers today would not see this game as amazing anymore. If EQ next copies this game it will be a failure no doubt. For EQ Next to success it has to understand developements in MMOs since that time and present them in a unique way and , dare I say, offer us something new perhaps?
EQ was so good that no one left it to play WoW. In fact, WoW just never took off, the MMO community didn't support it and it fell flat with only 20,000 subs.
So instead of taking two hours to get from a to b, it took 45 minutes. Even with the PoK stones you still usually had to travel through at least 2 or 3 zones. This is the exact type of rose colored glasses stuff that the OP was talking about. And instant porting was in EQ day 1 anyway, the fastest way to get somewhere has always been druid/wizard.
The only real negative with Luclin/PoP is the neutral city. But they didnt remove travel time, they just made it more manageable. the long travel times are epic unless you only have two hours to play.
The best solution is to unlock travel only after youve been there once. Even the run through Kithicor became a little bring after i had done it a half dozen times.
It was that good.
In was, in fact, ground-breaking and it set up the template from which nearly every MMO released afterwards would copy. You don't get dubbed Evercrack because people are feeling nostalgic.
That's just, like, my opinion, man.
Oh man, waiting for the boat in EQ to cross the Ocean of Tears. A real-life 40-minute boat ride and I loved every minute of it, once I learned to fish.
That's just, like, my opinion, man.
All of this and more. Perfect. If they Updated the graphics there would be no other.
Didn't it have all of that when EQ2 and WoW released?
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I agree 100 percent. I Started playing a few days after the release of Velious . My first MMO ever. Oh man good times. Sitting in Crushbone running from Orc trains to zone. Getting lost in Lower Fay. Looking at your spellbook regenerating mana in EC tunnel, then dieng from a Griffon someone trained there. Running thru Kith forest at night, yikes. Watching Bards Kite Cyclopes and Hill Giants. Running across the Karana's or what some without SOW call " Texas". Fippy Darkpaw!
I could go on , damn, need to get on that Emu server now.
Hows this work if UO was your first love? Second love then? How about having 3rd and 4th loves? How about loving 10 years worth of MMOs and thinking newer ones suck? I don't buy this argument.
Actually EQ WAS good/great, LDoN+....not so much imo.
How is telling a random person on the internet that you liked a MMO 'cool'? Sorry, some of us do not like all the over instancing/phasing in a lot of the newer mmos. Rose colored glasses, nostalgia, whatever else is the excuse to wish it away, don't hold water imo.
I even liked one of the newer mmos, but it had content problems, that are understandable, given the nature of what made it a unique and good game for me. It was TSW, the quests/stories and stuff I thought were different and well done...Just I think it would take a lot of time to make whole new content areas for it, given the depth that I thought they used. I have been thinking of trying some of the new stuff out in it, but it being good, doesn't make it great.
GW2...Tried it for a session and was bored, it seems to directed/hand held and cluttered. You trip over a quest every couple steps, felt like a pinball in a pinball machine, and I hated the classes I tried...I was really thinking GW2 was going to last me till ArcheAge or EQN.
SWTOR - Decent for being like a lobby game, and playing the story, even thought the light and dark stories are about 99% the same, as me and my wife did the same class, but the opposite options, so I was comparing and talking about it the whole way. Once I was done with the story, I was done with the MMO. So I considered I got my money worth.
Those are the 2 I bought recently (besides TSW), so I had a playing session past beta for GW2, and played the story in TOR and TSW...So bad for me, and two where I got my money worth...Nothing good or great I wanted to stay and play.
I do not have gamer ADD, I always stayed in MMOs for at least a year, until Rift. Only played WoW beta, didn't like it either. So I am not overly joyed that a MMO here and there is good to play the story through. I want a mmo with a world to play in and stay playing. I found that in multiple mmos for roughly 10 years, but not in Rift, TOR, TSW, GW2, and many other trials/betas (Neverwinter being the latest).
People like different stuff, a lot of people obviously love WoW, TOR, Rift, Neverwinter as a home, me not so much, and glasses/nostalgia don't have a thing to do with it.
uh, 99.99% of WoW players never played EQ
WoW had 12 million player at it's peak, EQ had 600k
Sure, some people went to play WoW, but WoW didn't kill EQ.
EQ and WoW were very very different games, WoW was a casual quest grinder, EQ was an extremely brutal XP grinder, especially during GoD when WoW launched.
Most EQ players who went to WoW were guilds who enjoyed a more casual game, and people with families who couldn't devote the time to socialise anymore, and wanted to progress solo and get things done in 30 minutes instead of hours.
There's a real misunderstanding about EQ when players say "WoW is an EQ clone", they're extremely different games. They're statements from players who never played EQ.
LOL, ok...you keep thinking that.
just so you know though,youre very much wrong.
They have done a few updates, but it is just polish to the old, people still think it's too dated and can't get passed it. I can still play UO in the 2D client, so it doesn't bother me so much. I wasn't a big fan of the LDoN+ content, stuff started getting a little too instanced for me. People wanted to run missions in later expansions and get the rare drop and such. I did one of the same ones like 35-40 times and the drop didn't happen for a SK we played with, I was done, I was bored to death of doing it, and I think it soured me on instanced content ever since. My wife did the same mission almost 100 times total, as she kept helping the guy and it never dropped.
So I am hopeful that EQN isn't the same old over instancing that everything seems to be anymore.
because MMO's today cant do what EQ does.Plain and simple,I want a world to explore,I want to be dropped into a world where I decide my content,my adventure.I want danger,I want risk.I dont want my hand held,I dont want signs telling me "OVER HERE" with big waving arms.I dont want to be pampered nor feel like everyday is my birthday.I want to be unique as opposed to everyone else,who all look the same in todays MMO's.
Im a grown man,not a baby..treat me as such
This sums it up . I remember starting as a dark elf and fighting skeletons , was amazing at the time because the only 3d game I had played before that was Wolf3d .
EQ was a game with kick to it. When you died in EQ, it sucked, bad, you messed up and you were paying for it big time, lost XP, lost corpse, lost gear.
Getting back to your corpse, pulling your group back together, getting rebuffed, meditating, everyone who couldn't handle it, who didn't want to devote themselves to this game got filtered out, you were left with dedicated players
You learned how to approach people, you learned how to get things done.
You learned how to motivate others, you learned how to gather 100 people around you who would listen to you every word, because they knew you would listen to theirs when their time to get help came around.
That's why during EQ and a bit into WoW, some companies actually were asking for guild leaders to join them, because they knew that EQ players GET what motivates others, they GET social structures, they GET what it takes to get people in-line all behind the same goal, they're articulate and skillful at what they do. And that's community building.
EQ = community
Whatever you say. I played EQ from the beta. THE BETA. I played during Kunark, Velious, Luclin, PoP, that other "expansion" that wasn't really much of an expansion, and LDoN which I quit around the middle of do to real life obligations.
Because I talked about one instance of Wizard quad kiting, which you quoted, and then make a bold statement that I was playing a completely different game... just Arghhh. Wizards and Druids were actually the best solo class in the original EQ, even more so than Planes of Power which I used as an example. You could quad kite effectively in several Kunark zones back then. Bards actually became the best solo class in terms of EXP Planes of Power and beyond. The statement was made towards someone who claimed you couldn't solo as effectively as a group which was simply untrue as any of the strong solo classes (Necromancer, Wizard, Druid, Bard, Magician, Shaman, Necromancer, and Enchanter later on) could actually get EXP and later AA points as effective as a normal group. Classes that weren't those listed were forced into groups.
Saying it doesn't matter or EQ post Velious (your opinion, and again I also hear people state different expansions for when they feel EQ "changed") is absurd. Absolutely absurd. Luclin and PoP added a lot to the game. It made raid bosses far more challenging than the tank and spank or AoE spamming fights they were previously. They added AA points, which added tons of playability and longevity to the game. East Commonlands tunnel did not become a ghost town, at least not on Luclin as people still traded there regularly after the Bazaar (WHICH IS NOT AN AUCTION HOUSE) was implemented as you couldn't haggle with offline players. Spires had massive wait times associated with them, just like the boat upwards of 15 minutes, so it was still more effective to get ported around by a Wizard or Druid which oddly enough nobody seems to complain that they could essentially fast travel themselves and others.
Why is there no point in playing on a progression server? The progression server is old school Everquest as you put it. Tell me why exactly you aren't playing on the progression server if you love EQ so much.
It's nostalgia, man. Stop kidding yourself. [mod edit] There are some fantastic things in EQ that I wish would be implemented in modern MMOs, but you people are making it out to be a perfect game that every single modern MMO should follow their design principles exactly. Frankly, if SoE listens to you guys EQ Next is going to be a HORRIBLE game.
The mere fact EQ has 100+ man raids during PoP made it special.
I remember when I had to do my Epic fight and my Guild leader said to the raid of some 70 other players that I was going to lead the guild tonight. I felt my tongue fall into the back of my throat, I never lead 70 players in my life.
EQ forced you to learn how to lead, it forced you to understand social structures, when those 70 people died, it taught you how to get them back up and motivate them to try again, and again and again deep into the night, and when you did win, you knew you could depend on all 70 of them, they were your guildies and nothing could come between us. The game didn't matter, it was the people.
Has very little to do with nostalgia.
I played other MMO, I played many other multiplayer games.
The only friends I still speak to daily are from 1 game, Everquest.
I can remember where I grouped with them, where I raided with them, where I laughed with them, where I argued with them, where I told them about myself and they about themselves.
EQ was a social game, and that's what made it special, not nostalgia. If it was nostalgia I would care about other games I used to play, and I don't, I care about none but EQ.
I agree with everything except LDoN. I hate that expansion with a passion. It was the creation of instances and ruined the rest of the game for a long time. Zones became ghost towns and all people wanted to do was grind the same instances over and over and over. Nobody wanted to chill out and chit chat between pulls. It was just kill hurry kill hurry!!!! Rinse repeat.
I wish LDoN had never been created, and it's SOE's fault that every game now a days is instanced all to hell because they birthed the monster.
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THIS x100!
That is what I remember the most..
I do think alot of it is becuase this was really our '1st' for MMO's, I played The Realm before getting an invite to EQ Bata, played beta for about 1 day swore I would never play that game, I played on Talon Zek up untill PoP expansion.
Lets hope EqNext can bring a little of EQ vanilla back!
One thing I forgot to include in my list was Sever Types.
EQ had servers for PvP, PvE, Normal, RP, and 2 "No Rules". That is 5 variations of the same game, set up for different types of play styles.
I am sure EQ was not the first, and I know WoW had a similar set up. Today's MMOs? Not so much. Every server (if an MMO has defined servers) is "for everyone", no matter what.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR