so I still play GW2 - because my wife does - and I pretty much think its the easiest and most boring MMO i've ever played, not to mention a ridiculous RNG grind for anything of value but i digress... I really REALLY want a new MMO thats challenging and intense and demands teamwork. Is FF XIV for me? I've never played a FF series game and someone in GW2 chat said FF XIV was "just as lame ass boring as GW2 is"... thoughts?
i'm just about ready to take a very long break from MMOs or just retire completely. I'm a semi-casual player but when i do get a chance to get online, I want to do something epic and challenging. I've listened to alot of commentary and videos but I never hear anyone address this aspect of the FF XIV gameplay.
thanks
The game is super easy mode. There is no difficulty to it, made for soloing
except for the part where the main story quests that unlock fundamental parts of the game start requiring you to party with people.
Whomp whomp nice try
Easily soloable as well
The class quests are in a series and quickly ramp up in difficulty. Though they are solo, the level 15 one required several tries for me on Pugilist. I was not paying enough attention, and it forced me to do so.
The level 15 Main story quest (required), while solo only, was difficult enough that numerous people kept dying to it, since you needed ((SPOILER, not really, just a hint)) an Antidote to counter the effects of a DoT the boss puts on you, potent enough that the DoT coupled with the boss's attacks were too much to handle. I won on my frist try, only because of how many people were dying to it (and talking about it in the zone chat)
Amusingly, the quest is bugged so it only allowed a certian number of people to do it simulatensouly, and so an immense line formed of players waiting in line to do it. Kind of impressive.
The one dungeon I did, though somewhat easy as is expected of the first dungeon, did require teamwork and co-operation . One of the pulls had several healer NPCs in it, and no matter how much damage we did our dmg couldn't mindlessly out damage their heals. Had to let some of the DPS pull aggro and kite the other healers across the room and separate the NPCs (that started out all as one clustered group) so we could take them out one by one.
Of note, this was all of our first entry into the dungeon and we knew nothing about it going in.
The waiting in line is not a bug sadly, there instances are designed to only allow x amount in otherwise it crashes the instance. Its bad game design and will piss a lot of people off.
Any graphical, audio, or gameplay restrictions not seen in other mmos but found in FFXIV can be blamed on one thing. PS3
The class quests are in a series and quickly ramp up in difficulty. Though they are solo, the level 15 one required several tries for me on Pugilist. I was not paying enough attention, and it forced me to do so.
The level 15 Main story quest (required), while solo only, was difficult enough that numerous people kept dying to it, since you needed ((SPOILER, not really, just a hint)) an Antidote to counter the effects of a DoT the boss puts on you, potent enough that the DoT coupled with the boss's attacks were too much to handle. I won on my frist try, only because of how many people were dying to it (and talking about it in the zone chat)
Amusingly, the quest is bugged so it only allowed a certian number of people to do it simulatensouly, and so an immense line formed of players waiting in line to do it. Kind of impressive.
The one dungeon I did, though somewhat easy as is expected of the first dungeon, did require teamwork and co-operation . One of the pulls had several healer NPCs in it, and no matter how much damage we did our dmg couldn't mindlessly out damage their heals. Had to let some of the DPS pull aggro and kite the other healers across the room and separate the NPCs (that started out all as one clustered group) so we could take them out one by one.
Of note, this was all of our first entry into the dungeon and we knew nothing about it going in.
The waiting in line is not a bug sadly, there instances are designed to only allow x amount in otherwise it crashes the instance. Its bad game design and will piss a lot of people off.
WoW had the same thing years back if anyone cares to remember.
The waiting in line is not a bug sadly, there instances are designed to only allow x amount in otherwise it crashes the instance. Its bad game design and will piss a lot of people off.
Huh, interesting.
To be honest, I see good and bad in it.
From what I saw, it kind of brought the community together a little, people waiting in line, chatting with each other, socializing. The fact that most people started getting in line, instead of everyone bumrushing the the front kind of says a lot about the community so far.
Obviously it is not ideal, particuarly if you have hundreds and hundreds of people on the server standing around waiting for mission they have a good chance to fail on the first attempt.
I do think they'll address it, they have been excellent about feedback so far, but it's still possible it may be like that at launch.
The waiting in line is not a bug sadly, there instances are designed to only allow x amount in otherwise it crashes the instance. Its bad game design and will piss a lot of people off.
Huh, interesting.
To be honest, I see good and bad in it.
From what I saw, it kind of brought the community together a little, people waiting in line, chatting with each other, socializing. The fact that most people started getting in line, instead of everyone bumrushing the the front kind of says a lot about the community so far.
Obviously it is not ideal, particuarly if you have hundreds and hundreds of people on the server standing around waiting for mission they have a good chance to fail on the first attempt.
I do think they'll address it, they have been excellent about feedback so far, but it's still possible it may be like that at launch.
I dont pay a sub* (yet I will though) to sit in a line when I only have 2-3 hours a day max to play. It will end up being like NM camping, whomever has the quickest clicking finger will get in. So I for one wont wait in a line. I just click away, if it crashes the instance it may drive off some of that line. Over all a bad bad game flaw
Any graphical, audio, or gameplay restrictions not seen in other mmos but found in FFXIV can be blamed on one thing. PS3
I dont pay a sub* (yet I will though) to sit in a line when I only have 2-3 hours a day max to play. It will end up being like NM camping, whomever has the quickest clicking finger will get in. So I for one wont wait in a line. I just click away, if it crashes the instance it may drive off some of that line. Over all a bad bad game flaw
that isn't exactly how it works, but pretty much exactly what I already said in my second point.
as I said, I personally think it will be addressed.
The waiting in line is not a bug sadly, there instances are designed to only allow x amount in otherwise it crashes the instance. Its bad game design and will piss a lot of people off.
No, it is a bug. There were other quests that were having the same issue but got fixed. Some of the quests were only creating a couple instances, hence the line.
No FFXIV is not GW2 faceroll unless you are basing your post on level 1 - 10. However what game is not really face roll easy between 1 and 10? None
The game gets more complex as people level and get their jobs. The game has holy trinity even though everyone can be all jobs on 1 character. You just have to level them classes.
How much of a future do you see for yourself in an MMO, which was released, then UN-released a few weeks later because the game was so bad, and is now being re-released...
Doesn't exactly inspire me to play this game...
and they are going to ask you to pay a monthly for it too!
So you and 24 or 9 friends found the heroic mode raids in WoW easy? And you didn't use boss mods or watch videos on how to beat the bosses?
I'm impressed if you were able to accomplish that. Great Job!
This. ^
Many people like to claim WoW is EZ-Mode and will never link their achievements, or admit they used a well-known strategy that's already available. WoW actually has some good mechanics for their raids, and if you don't pay attention, the whole raid can wipe.
It's just easier to pick on WoW though, because what they really mean, is that it's easy while leveling and questing.
The waiting in line is not a bug sadly, there instances are designed to only allow x amount in otherwise it crashes the instance. Its bad game design and will piss a lot of people off.
Huh, interesting.
To be honest, I see good and bad in it.
From what I saw, it kind of brought the community together a little, people waiting in line, chatting with each other, socializing. The fact that most people started getting in line, instead of everyone bumrushing the the front kind of says a lot about the community so far.
Obviously it is not ideal, particuarly if you have hundreds and hundreds of people on the server standing around waiting for mission they have a good chance to fail on the first attempt.
I do think they'll address it, they have been excellent about feedback so far, but it's still possible it may be like that at launch.
I dont pay a sub* (yet I will though) to sit in a line when I only have 2-3 hours a day max to play. It will end up being like NM camping, whomever has the quickest clicking finger will get in. So I for one wont wait in a line. I just click away, if it crashes the instance it may drive off some of that line. Over all a bad bad game flaw
Dude you have nothing positive to say on the beta forums you have nothing positive to say here and you are critical of a bug that Developers know about and said they will be fixing it for this coming weekend. However that is not good enough for you, you are in beta testing a game period there will be game breaking bugs in beta, thats why its beta or maybe you do not understand it. If you want to stick to your low content F2P game, go play a game you like and stop complaining about every little thing wrong in beta and how much you hate it. You stated your opinion now move along stop trying to force your opinion and beliefs on to other people and dont tell me you dont because you start posting on 1 F2P post on the beta forums then 15 minutes later you start a new F2P post and state the same thing over again to force your opinion on others. I dont care of I get ban for calling you out, you have a lack of respect for others and feel the need to drive your opinion into others. Just like you trying to cut in front of others in line in game making a broken quest that will be fixed the following week 10 times longer because YOU WANT IT NOW. Its beta shit will be broken that is why its Beta TESTING. To find bugs and FIX them.
You must have me confused, I havent said one negative thing about the game. Take of your diapers and act like an adult. And taking part in discussions on payment plans on the beta forums is not "hating". And as a previous 1.0 player Im not testing Im demoing. You go report bugs, while I figure out how to best maximize my time/leveling process for launch. As for lines, dont blame me blame SE. I AM entitled to play the game as I see fit, and if that means not waiting because I work all day and have a life at the dentriment of someone else tough for them. I bet you didnt complain about "line jumping" when it came to snagging the aggro of a 36 hour NM in XI did you?
you probably shouldn't be in the beta test till phase 4 then
you should be helping improve the game, instead of selfishly furthering your own agenda at the complete expense of everyone else
so I still play GW2 - because my wife does - and I pretty much think its the easiest and most boring MMO i've ever played, not to mention a ridiculous RNG grind for anything of value but i digress... I really REALLY want a new MMO thats challenging and intense and demands teamwork. Is FF XIV for me? I've never played a FF series game and someone in GW2 chat said FF XIV was "just as lame ass boring as GW2 is"... thoughts?
i'm just about ready to take a very long break from MMOs or just retire completely. I'm a semi-casual player but when i do get a chance to get online, I want to do something epic and challenging. I've listened to alot of commentary and videos but I never hear anyone address this aspect of the FF XIV gameplay.
thanks
eh Gw2 is great but has far to little endgame and content..
Whilte Final fantasy XIV Reborn has alot of Content, Story, Things to do, Endgame.. the game itself is way better then GW2 and the mechanics in Final Fantasy XIV reborn are great.. Try the game yourself before putting out bad comments. about a great game
so I still play GW2 - because my wife does - and I pretty much think its the easiest and most boring MMO i've ever played, not to mention a ridiculous RNG grind for anything of value but i digress... I really REALLY want a new MMO thats challenging and intense and demands teamwork. Is FF XIV for me? I've never played a FF series game and someone in GW2 chat said FF XIV was "just as lame ass boring as GW2 is"... thoughts?
i'm just about ready to take a very long break from MMOs or just retire completely. I'm a semi-casual player but when i do get a chance to get online, I want to do something epic and challenging. I've listened to alot of commentary and videos but I never hear anyone address this aspect of the FF XIV gameplay.
thanks
eh Gw2 is great but has far to little endgame and content..
Whilte Final fantasy XIV Reborn has alot of Content, Story, Things to do, Endgame.. the game itself is way better then GW2 and the mechanics in Final Fantasy XIV reborn are great.. Try the game yourself before putting out bad comments. about a great game
GW2 is planning on adding their own take on raiding, and making Fractals a place to experience GW1 story.
so I still play GW2 - because my wife does - and I pretty much think its the easiest and most boring MMO i've ever played, not to mention a ridiculous RNG grind for anything of value but i digress... I really REALLY want a new MMO thats challenging and intense and demands teamwork. Is FF XIV for me? I've never played a FF series game and someone in GW2 chat said FF XIV was "just as lame ass boring as GW2 is"... thoughts?
i'm just about ready to take a very long break from MMOs or just retire completely. I'm a semi-casual player but when i do get a chance to get online, I want to do something epic and challenging. I've listened to alot of commentary and videos but I never hear anyone address this aspect of the FF XIV gameplay.
thanks
eh Gw2 is great but has far to little endgame and content..
Whilte Final fantasy XIV Reborn has alot of Content, Story, Things to do, Endgame.. the game itself is way better then GW2 and the mechanics in Final Fantasy XIV reborn are great.. Try the game yourself before putting out bad comments. about a great game
Re-read his post, he is not knocking ARR. He was asking about the game, and reiterated a comment from what someone else said about it in GW2 chat. @OP, yes you will have the feeling of more epic moments than you do in GW2, not knocking GW2 but it has no appealing features for me and is suited for those with a more casual approach, I really don't consider GW2 to be in the same catagory of what I consider an MMORPG.
Problem with players that enjoy their game is that they feel threatened by the new kid on the block and will say anything to desaude players from moving over. Games are like any other entertainment media, you find a genre/group/band/film/icon, you either like it, hate it or have no opinion. Some people like thrash I think its trash but there we go, apple and oranges.
Sounds like you have absolutely no experience with end game mechanics/fights. 5man Dungeons =/= Raiding sorry.
PvP is rather easy. Most of the time it is based around FoTM builds/classes and RNG. Composition in Arena's etc. The only time PvP will ever be truly about skill is when you are in a FPS. Where as PvE is about thought process and being able to figure out encounters. Most encounters now a days are easy to figure out. DONT STAND IN THE FIRE...But the encounters of old school games. Yea good luck.
Dude, it's OK if you find PVE mechanics hard and others don't. When you say that in PVP, "Most of the time it is based around FoTM builds/classes and RNG", you realize you are talking about raids too, yeh? You can probably find pretty much any boss fight for pretty much any MMO for pretty much any raid on youtube to show you exactly what to do.
Following walkthrough guides or videos on YT does not render the fights easy. It means you've opted to take the easy approach by letting someone else figure it all out and then explain how to do it.
It doesn't mean the fights are inherently easier. It means you took the easier way out by copying someone else's strategy, rather than figuring out your own. Not the same thing.
It would be like saying "SUVs aren't heavy, because you can just use a forklift".
You must have me confused, I havent said one negative thing about the game. Take of your diapers and act like an adult. And taking part in discussions on payment plans on the beta forums is not "hating". And as a previous 1.0 player Im not testing Im demoing. You go report bugs, while I figure out how to best maximize my time/leveling process for launch. As for lines, dont blame me blame SE. I AM entitled to play the game as I see fit, and if that means not waiting because I work all day and have a life at the dentriment of someone else tough for them. I bet you didnt complain about "line jumping" when it came to snagging the aggro of a 36 hour NM in XI did you?
you probably shouldn't be in the beta test till phase 4 then
you should be helping improve the game, instead of selfishly furthering your own agenda at the complete expense of everyone else
This Ehllfhire ^^^
Beta is not a DEMO it is BETA "TEST". "Second level, external pilot-test of a product (usually a software) before commercial quantity production. At the beta test stage, the product has already passed through the first-level, internal pilot-test (alpha test) and glaring defects have been removed. But (since the product may still have some minor problems that require user participation) it is released to selected customers for testing under normal, everyday conditions of use to spot the remaining flaws"
Well that's a really piss-poor attitude. You say so much more about yourself than you probably even realize in that one paragraph. None of it is endearing.
If ARR's community pans out anything like XI's did (and I hope it does) I can easily imagine you becoming one of those people no one wants around on your server before very long. The self-centered, "it's all about me, screw everyone else" attitude you're demonstrating here will turn a lot of people off, and word will get around, people being advised to steer clear of you.
But hey, that's your choice. You want to be anti-social and believe it's all about you. Knock yourself out. Just don't be too surprised when that attitude has you shunned by most of your server community, and getting help with things you need becomes more difficult than it would be otherwise. You'll have your attitude to thank for that.
Ayulin is right about the community in FFXIV. It is starting to shape up as a good old school community. The game has many qualities that MMOs have lacked over the last few years like reliance on grouping for alot of the content. Yes you can solo to max level however it is not the most efficient way of leveling; grouping is designed to be the most efficient way
Originally posted by gw1228 apparently you've never fought lupicus and wth is GW2 discussion doing in FFXIV? Most of the end dungeons are very hard and with updates I bet they are going to make some hard modes anyways you could post this in the GW2 forums where you'll be eaten alive.
How does Lupicus help your argument? He can and has been defeated in 30 seconds. Very easy fight. Most of the end game dungeons aren't hard at all. Anyway, I am a FF newb and I will admit that I didn't fully understand everything that was happening durning the last beta (Umbrela and Astral?, or whatever it was when casting spells) but it was most certainly fun and beautiful. On par with GW2 graphically but with a different art style.
How does Lupicus help your argument? He can and has been defeated in 30 seconds. Very easy fight. Most of the end game dungeons aren't hard at all. Anyway, I am a FF newb and I will admit that I didn't fully understand everything that was happening durning the last beta (Umbrela and Astral?, or whatever it was when casting spells) but it was most certainly fun and beautiful. On par with GW2 graphically but with a different art style.
Lupicus was beaten throught a broken aspect of the game that is massive amount of dps throught fully decked out dps gears and guarding reflective shield, and even then it took a lot of time for the group to practice it over and over again. BTW if it's so easy, would you mind showing a screenshot of you beating him?
Expect this aspect to be fixed in the near future.
How does Lupicus help your argument? He can and has been defeated in 30 seconds. Very easy fight. Most of the end game dungeons aren't hard at all.
No content is hard once you figured out the way to do it. That's the point of mastering something. The important thing is how interesting can a developer make the process of discovering the right solution.
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The waiting in line is not a bug sadly, there instances are designed to only allow x amount in otherwise it crashes the instance. Its bad game design and will piss a lot of people off.
Any graphical, audio, or gameplay restrictions not seen in other mmos but found in FFXIV can be blamed on one thing.
PS3
WoW had the same thing years back if anyone cares to remember.
It will be an annoyance, that is true.
Huh, interesting.
To be honest, I see good and bad in it.
From what I saw, it kind of brought the community together a little, people waiting in line, chatting with each other, socializing. The fact that most people started getting in line, instead of everyone bumrushing the the front kind of says a lot about the community so far.
Obviously it is not ideal, particuarly if you have hundreds and hundreds of people on the server standing around waiting for mission they have a good chance to fail on the first attempt.
I do think they'll address it, they have been excellent about feedback so far, but it's still possible it may be like that at launch.
I dont pay a sub* (yet I will though) to sit in a line when I only have 2-3 hours a day max to play. It will end up being like NM camping, whomever has the quickest clicking finger will get in. So I for one wont wait in a line. I just click away, if it crashes the instance it may drive off some of that line. Over all a bad bad game flaw
Any graphical, audio, or gameplay restrictions not seen in other mmos but found in FFXIV can be blamed on one thing.
PS3
that isn't exactly how it works, but pretty much exactly what I already said in my second point.
as I said, I personally think it will be addressed.
No, it is a bug. There were other quests that were having the same issue but got fixed. Some of the quests were only creating a couple instances, hence the line.
No FFXIV is not GW2 faceroll unless you are basing your post on level 1 - 10. However what game is not really face roll easy between 1 and 10? None
The game gets more complex as people level and get their jobs. The game has holy trinity even though everyone can be all jobs on 1 character. You just have to level them classes.
and they are going to ask you to pay a monthly for it too!
This. ^
Many people like to claim WoW is EZ-Mode and will never link their achievements, or admit they used a well-known strategy that's already available. WoW actually has some good mechanics for their raids, and if you don't pay attention, the whole raid can wipe.
It's just easier to pick on WoW though, because what they really mean, is that it's easy while leveling and questing.
Dude you have nothing positive to say on the beta forums you have nothing positive to say here and you are critical of a bug that Developers know about and said they will be fixing it for this coming weekend. However that is not good enough for you, you are in beta testing a game period there will be game breaking bugs in beta, thats why its beta or maybe you do not understand it. If you want to stick to your low content F2P game, go play a game you like and stop complaining about every little thing wrong in beta and how much you hate it. You stated your opinion now move along stop trying to force your opinion and beliefs on to other people and dont tell me you dont because you start posting on 1 F2P post on the beta forums then 15 minutes later you start a new F2P post and state the same thing over again to force your opinion on others. I dont care of I get ban for calling you out, you have a lack of respect for others and feel the need to drive your opinion into others. Just like you trying to cut in front of others in line in game making a broken quest that will be fixed the following week 10 times longer because YOU WANT IT NOW. Its beta shit will be broken that is why its Beta TESTING. To find bugs and FIX them.
People actually believe that line because of server congestion is actually something SE wants?
Wow. Just....WOW.
you probably shouldn't be in the beta test till phase 4 then
you should be helping improve the game, instead of selfishly furthering your own agenda at the complete expense of everyone else
eh Gw2 is great but has far to little endgame and content..
Whilte Final fantasy XIV Reborn has alot of Content, Story, Things to do, Endgame.. the game itself is way better then GW2 and the mechanics in Final Fantasy XIV reborn are great.. Try the game yourself before putting out bad comments. about a great game
GW2 is planning on adding their own take on raiding, and making Fractals a place to experience GW1 story.
Re-read his post, he is not knocking ARR. He was asking about the game, and reiterated a comment from what someone else said about it in GW2 chat. @OP, yes you will have the feeling of more epic moments than you do in GW2, not knocking GW2 but it has no appealing features for me and is suited for those with a more casual approach, I really don't consider GW2 to be in the same catagory of what I consider an MMORPG.
Problem with players that enjoy their game is that they feel threatened by the new kid on the block and will say anything to desaude players from moving over. Games are like any other entertainment media, you find a genre/group/band/film/icon, you either like it, hate it or have no opinion. Some people like thrash I think its trash but there we go, apple and oranges.
Following walkthrough guides or videos on YT does not render the fights easy. It means you've opted to take the easy approach by letting someone else figure it all out and then explain how to do it.
It doesn't mean the fights are inherently easier. It means you took the easier way out by copying someone else's strategy, rather than figuring out your own. Not the same thing.
It would be like saying "SUVs aren't heavy, because you can just use a forklift".
This Ehllfhire ^^^
Beta is not a DEMO it is BETA "TEST". "Second level, external pilot-test of a product (usually a software) before commercial quantity production. At the beta test stage, the product has already passed through the first-level, internal pilot-test (alpha test) and glaring defects have been removed. But (since the product may still have some minor problems that require user participation) it is released to selected customers for testing under normal, everyday conditions of use to spot the remaining flaws"
Well that's a really piss-poor attitude. You say so much more about yourself than you probably even realize in that one paragraph. None of it is endearing.
If ARR's community pans out anything like XI's did (and I hope it does) I can easily imagine you becoming one of those people no one wants around on your server before very long. The self-centered, "it's all about me, screw everyone else" attitude you're demonstrating here will turn a lot of people off, and word will get around, people being advised to steer clear of you.
But hey, that's your choice. You want to be anti-social and believe it's all about you. Knock yourself out. Just don't be too surprised when that attitude has you shunned by most of your server community, and getting help with things you need becomes more difficult than it would be otherwise. You'll have your attitude to thank for that.
How does Lupicus help your argument? He can and has been defeated in 30 seconds. Very easy fight. Most of the end game dungeons aren't hard at all. Anyway, I am a FF newb and I will admit that I didn't fully understand everything that was happening durning the last beta (Umbrela and Astral?, or whatever it was when casting spells) but it was most certainly fun and beautiful. On par with GW2 graphically but with a different art style.
Lupicus was beaten throught a broken aspect of the game that is massive amount of dps throught fully decked out dps gears and guarding reflective shield, and even then it took a lot of time for the group to practice it over and over again. BTW if it's so easy, would you mind showing a screenshot of you beating him?
Expect this aspect to be fixed in the near future.
No content is hard once you figured out the way to do it. That's the point of mastering something. The important thing is how interesting can a developer make the process of discovering the right solution.