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Game is so much better!!! It has changed a TON!!!
WizGamer
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Wow, I am so amazed. I remember in beta this game was crap. It was laggy, bad graphics, half-finished. It looks that since Tulga and since AE realized their many mistakes it has been fixed. Most of the bugs are gone, there are bunches and bunches of new content every month. They even added 2 new races, dryads and satyrs. The community unlocked them. There's to be a werewolf race soon! Also the Rite of Passage for the Dragons was installed and now they can fly. This is just great. Also the community unlocked the elven city. They really bumped up the game a bit. I thought they never would. Now they are making the game FREE!! You just pay monthly and if u accidentally buy the game for 30 bucks u get 3 months to make up for that. Also more people are joining. I rarely have trouble finding a group. Tulga is really trying to put this game back together with new large patches like NCsoft expansions. They are also creating a new graphics engine to make the graphics better. I think this game is far from dying.
No the game does still have its negatives. It can get laggy at random times for no real reason but this typically leaves. Much of the high level players are spread out so grouping can be a bit harder in those cases. Still can't swim...:( A bit low on quests but they are making a quest maker so u can submit quests and thats coming out this summer I think.
If u are interested in seeing the new Horizons just check out the trial.
P.S. No flames, if u aren't mature enough to reply constructively as an adult then u shouldn't post at all or even be on these forums.
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Could you show a link to this new engine they are working on. Also I just got out of the trial and I found most of the same bugs from beta. Also very low pops so I really don't understand what you are saying. This was both on Chaos and order. But I admit a new engine would be a good thing. But that would mean the game needs to have all the software redone to go with the new engine. That will take a long time to do.
Also there is a big bug going around where people can take things from solos and houses.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
I game is definitely growing. Everytime I login I see a new player. Sorry about the population misunderstanding. Not high pops but definitely higher pops and more soon to come.
Yes there are some bugs. Also the new engine was introduced by David Bowman during a live IRC developer chat. He discussed thats what they are spending money on. I don't have a link b/c it was live but I will try to find you one.
I don't believe there is a link because this was in a magazine.
I played Horizons from roughly June 1 2004 to Aug 2004. I have to say at the time there where a few things that really made me want to like the game. I liked the class system, I liked the crafting system, I like the race choices, The game world was nice looking, the community was awesome, cool story line with the undead invading the world, some interesting events unlocking new areas and races, some of the races looked really nice like the dryads, the music was right on-even now it appeals to me
However what I found at the time was this....maggots get dull after the first 10 levels of your first class, there where no actual quest, just fedx and kill task which dont really count as a quest IMHO. no dungeons, world was pretty empty and the variety of mobs was limited. When a few new mobs where introduced they where the same ones with different names and levels. No PvP (what happened to the wars between the races that was suppost to be in there?) Lag was terrible and crashed my PC after about an hour of play, bugs bugs bugs....some of the character models looked rushed (humans and elves looked the same pretty much and the dwarves where just badly done, I saw original art on the dwarves once - what the heck happened?)
Anyway, Horizons could have been what WoW is today but the management was so badly fumbled they will never recover because now everything has passed them by. It was the game I like the community the most in, it bad everyone left when they filed chapter.
I would give it a try if some of the things have been addressed...... at least the technical issues so you at least play the game without crashing.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
I remember just before I left Mr Bowman said (Aug 2004) that the next "big" patch would have lairs for the dragons and dwarves would be about to make tunnel homes (or something like that)
Did that ever happen?
Well, yes & no.
Getting ARoP and lairs out has taken a lot longer than it should. No question about it. The maddening thing is that 'floating island' lairs were possible at the end of beta, but that whole system was scrapped in favor of underground lairs. That meant that the whole lair system had to be redone from scratch. With the layoffs AE had to do last year, they didn't have enough developers & programmers to handle everything that needed to be done in the time they wanted to do it in.
David Bowman did indicate that ARoP and lairs were targeted by the end of December 2004. Yeah, they missed that goal, and it cost them a lot of goodwill among the dragon players. The system they are working on - when completed - should be really cool. The system provides for modular underground construction, which covers not only lairs, but dwarven cave homes and (yes) dungeons. The first prototype lair is live as part of the ARoP. The programming componant of lairs has been done for a while, but the artwork & asset componants were (as I understand it) delayed while a new environmental artist was hired. There was also a small graphics bug with the prototype lair when it first went live - this has been corrected.
The prototype lair is really impressive and the modular construction system should (crossing fingers here) allow for some amazing lairs. There is no denying that lairs should have been done a year & a half ago & been in at release; the good side of the delay is that when the system is complete, TG will have the ability to add a lot more features than just dragon lairs. In the long run, the extra functionality will make up for the delay in implementation.
Guildleader, Mithril Council, Chaos
There gets to be a point with a bad game that no matter what new content and changes they rave about, it will always be dead to me. If it really is good now, I will never know and I accept that. I was burned twice by Horizons based on great hype like in this thread... no more.
If its not ingame I dont care, Horizons has a shitty lap record to say the least.
I can understand that; actions speak louder than words, after all. I'm willing to give TG the benefit of the doubt because I see them making an honest effort to turn the game around and make it successful. The changes they have made to the game in the past two months (new hoard, better drops, one-shot items, the "wallet" drops, buffs to dragons and biped adventure classes, etc.) have been needed for a long time and have restored a lot of fun to the game.
I think there is universal agreement that the game's single greatest need is a new client. It's critical for any long-term success and should have been top priority a long time ago. I don't expect to see it for at least six months, but I do expect to see it.
They don't have a choice.
Guildleader, Mithril Council, Chaos
I think there is universal agreement that the game's single greatest need is a new client. It's critical for any long-term success and should have been top priority a long time ago. I don't expect to see it for at least six months, but I do expect to see it.
They don't have a choice.
Too bad that has been put on hold. Of course only place you hear about it is from regular users. I have seen nothing in writing by a dev or CEO. So like the miracle build at end of beta you guys keep hoping it makes it sometime in the future. That is all this hype is by the players. Of course you still have the reseller program with some of the die hard players so how can we believe anything that is being said. You guys do all this talking just to try and get people to play this broken game.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
I never said there had BEEN an official statement - only some comments in IRC and one forum post by Amon at RR.
If you're going to try to twist and distort what I say, you might want to actually read what I posted before you start typing.
Guildleader, Mithril Council, Chaos
lol you keep saying i am spinning things when all I see you do is try and discredit me. I have proven nothing has been said by any official and that you can take to the bank. But you say I twist things when you are clearly the one talking about resource managers not me so who is the one clearly spinning. The game is dead and won't last very much longer with the pops it has. Of course that is only imho. Unless of course they do another round of chapter 11.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
You brought up the resource manager, not me.
I clearly said that I considered the client rewrite to be an unsubstantiated rumor (although a good idea)and that I wanted to see an official statement on it. You didn't "prove" anything (besides, don't you know it's impossible to prove a negative proposition? You have to prove a positive proposition that totally excludes the negative proposition. FYI...).
On the good side, your pathological hatred of Horizons and the people who play it is glaringly obvious. A savvy reader will quickly discern that you are mearly a persistant troll and disregard your ravings.
Guildleader, Mithril Council, Chaos
My guess is the IP didn't play much into release. Probably good for them as the game is completely different now and they didn't have to go through all the crap the people who stuck with it have in terms of bugs and long waits.
The game has indeed improved since the start of the year I attribute that to a new mindset and fresh blood on the design team. It has seen the introduction of useable loot, more mobs dropping coin after it was removed in the merger, Increased storage and storage options for plot owners, hoardables drop, blighted equipment which is pretty cool, trinkets which are fun to play with new craftables. Communication from the devs has also been better.
I wont deny there are problems with the game and deadlines have been repeatedly missed which is not good for us or them. I'm just saying I have seen the game improve recently and hope that continues to.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Can you explain why you see the game as worse than at release d0zer? You need to quantify a statement like that if you don't wish to be percieved as a ranting twat.
For me I agree certain aspects are worse than at release however as a whole the game is better
The current spawn system implementation fo mobs is awful however it can lead to bigger pops than we ever saw in the past once it starts
The dessimation of lesser aradoth was shocking..I do hope in the future they fix this
Some areas have had their beauty destroyed by plots
The banded world feels very artifical and I prefered it when it was all mixed up.
I see those things as worse than at release however to me the over all game has improved.
You say so, not in my eyes there are too many reasons why this game is just bad and broken. I also after all this time have concluded this game has hired the worse coders and CEO in history of gaming. Of course this is only imo. But I am done with posting about this game let it live or die I really don't care.
GUILD WARS IS HERE AND IT MAKES HZ LOOK LIKE A KIDS GAME. cya
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Yep, you've made your views on TG quite clear - over & over & over again.
You hate the game, you hate the players, and David Bowman shot your dog and ate your kittens. Fine, we get it already.
There's no point in rehashing the changes in the game; you refuse to accept that improvements have been made and when confronted with the facts you change the subject. The *players* are (for the most part) happy about the changes, I see new people joining and old players returning every day, and there's a great deal of content due to be rolled out in the near future.
That is the reality of Horizons - alive, changing, and growing. Cry and rend your clothes if you wish, but that's the way it is.
Guildleader, Mithril Council, Chaos
Obversations by Grimlik on VN boards....
For some reason Ipay billed my wifes account twice in April *sigh*. We both got charged after 10 days using the open house offer when it was supposed to be a month. The people at Ipay could not tell me why my wife's account was billed twice. Was kind of frustrating so I will call them back next week when I have more patience. So needless to say their account management and billing problems are still very much present.
Game play...
Performance is better than when I left by quite a bit. BUT the memory leak caused upon porting is still VERY much there. Do not be fooled by those that say they do not experience it. However I must port a minimum of 15 times before it becomes evident and 20 times before I must really consider a relog to clear ram. When I left the first time you would notice it after 3 or 4 ports already. Since I am doing the construction thing porting 15 to 20 times in 2 hours happens a lot. Tazoon performance is better but if I go there I lose 5 ports off my 15 minimum before I notice memory leak. As well the ATI problems are still there just not as pronounced as before. ATI users will see on average DOUBLE the texture memory use of an Nvidia card ( yes I tested and compared). As well the Nvidia entire 5000 fx series does not perform well at all in Horizons. I got better performance out of an older Nvidia geforce 4 card.
Actual game play is better there are more mobs to fight once you understand how the spawning system works. If you don't know about it however you will believe the land to be quite empty. There are still vast tracks of land with nothing no mobs no resources no anything. IMO they are losing on the atmosphere of the game. Useable loot was just added for high levels and its ok so far. Some of it much better than any crafter can make but thats ok as far as I'm concerned and I am a crafter. Resources and forms and techs up to tier V now. Crafting and construction is same as ever with more storage options for your plot now. Bugs and issues are still very much there but that isn't my beef with the game... read on below is.
Content and purpose... is still the achilles heal of this game. Thats the primary reason why the max number of people I have seen on chaos during primetime is 382. There has been a slight increase in the nightly average but not much. Why ? no quests no content and no purpose for the player to get into. WoW re established the mark with quests in an MMO and set a new bar of standard with their instanced dungeons. Same with guildwars though not technically an MMO it still has proven that missions quests and instanced dungeons and areas is the way to go here. Horizons has none of this period. A few quests here and there but I can safely say there are less than 100 quests in game currently. That simply isn't enough and to the new and returning player after having played the competition will be less inclined to stay. So yes people are returning but most of them leave just as quick. A purpose... let me relate a story to you all of a guildmate who loves to craft. He is currently leveling ALL craft classes to 100. Guess what ? he is almost done say for confectioner and alchemist. I ask him what he is going to do when finished and he says " Not sure ". I noticed he logs on and stays logged on less and less now. I get the general feeling from him that he has no sense of purpose and he is just grinding out crafting levels cause thats the only thing there is to do. I do genuinely fear he is going to quit soon and that would be a great loss for the guild and personally as well.. cause well I play these games for the people what about you ? Yet his views refelect a lot of what I see people doing in game. That is grinding levels just cause.. the quest for the 200 adventure rating the 200 crafting rating .. than once thats done easily 300 rating etc etc. But no real purpose to the game. No witheraed Aegis to fight no story line no nothing. It reminds be of a zombie army just existing hoping that the gods will have mercy and resurrect them from this death to a new and better life.
I used to believe I could put up with lack of content if the game performed well... HZ isn't there yet. But I am finding with Horizons I could deal with the lag memory leak and bugs if the game had some content some purpose to play other than to grind one pointless level after another. TulgaAE needs to inject some life into the game and give the playerbase a reason to be there. Cause eventually crafting just doesn't do it anymore and the quest for that 200 adv or crafting rating gets old.
Overall the game is much improved since I left. But it still isn't on par with older games like EQ 1, DAOC AO and definitely NOT AC which I noticed is making a comeback. Not even in the same league as WoW and EQ2 and now guildwars which has snatched a few of our guildies I noticed. I dare say the game though in releae is in a beta state still and would need if still in development at least another beta stage for before it hit release quality. Granted I do give TulgaAE some credit they seem to be listening more and they are more visible to the playerbase than before. There is still hope and I do hope that Tulga see's and eventually has the resources to address more than just client issues. Till then the game will just barely be surviving and never hit primetime as Bowman once claimed.
So what we have here is the game still has billing problems, still has most of the bugs that released with game. You are right Klaus I really do hate the game and the people that lied too me and made me waste 50 bucks + on this game.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Same stuff people have been bitching about since before release. Oh and people have been claiming they're seeing growing numbers since it first became obvious Horizons was losing subs like water through a sieve.
Last I saw you said it was $40.00. Make up your mind.
Billing issues happen with everyone. That's like saying "Visa is still having billing issues" - they're always going to happen, they happen to everyone, it's a fact of life. Deal with it.
Grimlik's post was very specific about the *improvements* in game play since release. Lag and framerate, memory accumulation, porting & patching speed - all have been significantly improved since release. Of course there's still room for improvement, but, once again, you're overstating things shamelessly.
I don't have any problem hitting 30-50 fps when hunting, and even in Tazoon I normally stay in the 15-20 FPS range. At launch, large group battles could get down to .2 to .5 FPS; now, the same type of event runs 10-15. Porting does still cause some memory accumulation, but, as Grimlik stated, it doesn't really become an issue until you get up to 20-30 ports. Unless you're doing construction or a lot of shopping, that's several hours of gameplay for most people.
By the way, I met another person last night who decided to try the game because of your incessant trolling of every available discussion board. Maybe you should sign up for the affiliate program.
Guildleader, Mithril Council, Chaos
Well I do tell people to try the trial. I also get pm's from people that tried the game and think I am telling the truth. They even thank me. So whatever you want to say is ok with me. I know I am doing a great service for the people. No one likes to get ripped off. Well ok maybe you do.
You do remember how much the game was at release right? Also I lost even more cash if we throw in the sub I was on.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
*wonders what happened to not posting*
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee