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What sort of death penalty do you want? What you believe EQNext will have?
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What sort of death penalty do you believe EQNEXT will have?
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I'd want XP loss (if XP is a thing) and durability loss / item breakage, possibly partial item droppage but I don't think fulldrop is a great idea.
What I think it will have? Uhhh...
Favorite MMO: Vanilla WoW
Currently playing: GW2, EVE
Excited for: Wildstar, maybe?
"There are at least two kinds of games.
One could be called finite, the other infinite.
A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse
I want an item loss combined with a permanent item degradation death penalty.
When you die, you drop your items which then can be looted by any players or nearby intelligent mobs and then split up among their companions. In addition, the durability of the items permanently degrade.
Actually if this was done within, say, a 1,000 yard radius you'd see a lot more cooperation. It would have make the "help" button in EQ2 a little more useful and people would come a runnin'!
I like the idea of a major hit on the durability of the item. If crafting was required to repair an item, there would have to be a system setup so you didn't have to send it to the crafter via trade so there was no chance to just outright lose it.
An issue I see with requiring crafting though is that you would have everyone taking up a craft just to repair their items and that would ultimately defeat the purpose. Now, if there was an option to go to an NPC and pay a fee and the crafting materials while crafters could do it as well just for the cost of the materials then there may be enough incentive to look for a crafter, but not enough to level up crafting.
I honestly don't want a system that just becomes a gold sink though. That is really bad design. There needs to be item sinks to prevent item inflation and gold sinks are a lot easier to implement.
Eh, money is rather worthless in most MMOs. Once you have a level 50 character, he just tosses a couple plat your way and then the death penalty means nothing. It needs to be something worse than item hits.
Probably griefable.
Experience penalties in EQ1 were worthless once you reached max level.
Dura loss (permanent) to keep the crafter economy flourishing, partial item & money loss (stays on the corpse, unless looted by player, friend or foe) like 10-20% of items, both held and inventory items get rolled for chance to drop (held/worn items can be insured, but at a hefty price based of the items value), 50% money carried at the time of demise.
xp loss is so 90's, i'm far more comfortable losing my entire held gear (Darkfall), than i ever was with XP / level loss (EQ, FFXI).
As long as it's not the same as EQ2, and I'll be happy.
I'd like a progressive system, similar to DAOC, where the first death per level is free but each subsequent death stings a bit harder.
You don't want to discourage exploration and risk taking, but by the second or third dirt-nap a smart player should be seeing the pattern...
You do want to discourage exploration. If there is no risk in exploration, then it is more sight seeing than exploration. Also, 'risk taking' requires actual risk.
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Heh, I was just fixing to say that's probably what it'll be like.
On that note: Does anyone else feel like durability damage on equipment is just stupid and pointless when items can't actually break/decay?
I was thinking something similar. What about even tying crafters into the repair NPCs directly? Say the repair NPCs require supply from crafters. Crafters make some type of tools/repair kits, and sell/supply them to the Blacksmith or whatever. Crafter gets a cut based on the level/repair quality of the items they supply. More player economy, please.
I would like to see EQN have a Legends of Kesmai style death system.
If you die to a mob, they loot all your items, you then will have to hunt the mob down to get your items back. If it was a player, they can loot your items.
Next you lose about 50% to 80% of a whole level worth of exp.
Next, unless a cleric or other healer revives you within 5-10 minutes, you don't respawn in the living word. You respawn in the underworld/afterlife. You have to then have to do a series of quests to get your mortal body back from the gods and prove your worth.
Once quest is finished, you revive in your home city's revive spot (Temple, glade, whatever, depending on your class/race). You are butt naked and -50% to -75% exp lost from when you died.
If revived by a healer, you lose only about 25% exp of your level and don't have to do the underworld/afterlife event.
*What do I think EQN will have?
A tiny exp loss.
Maybe they'll bring back corpse runs. Probably all it'll have.
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I am still worried though that having item repair turns the death penalty into a gold sink. Worse if it is primarily the crafters that repair, you end up with neither a gold sink nor an item sink as both will stay in circulation. Gold sinks can come from a variety of things, but very few things can institute an item sink.
There's just honestly no reason to have a repair mechanism. People will simply buy a new item to replace the one they lost and the crafters will benefit in the process, even if items don't solely come from crafting. People will only wear what the can afford to lose.
You could combine permanent item damage with temporary item damage. When the character dies, his items lose 25% durability permanently, but they also lose stats, damage, and defense which can be repaired.
Probably griefable.
isnt THE point of PvP to grief people.Dying should be bad without increasing the grind.
But you also have to think about the game mechanics. If the game is all about getting cool gear taking away someone full gear is too severe. In a PvP game where gear is easy to get and have similar benefits to all other gear that is a viable option.
Personally I would like locking out the dead character a while. Maybe 15-30 minutes (but the exact time also depends on the specific game, it could be a few minutes or an entire day to fit a specific game). Then dying would be annoying but still wouldn't add grinding.
Wouldn't it just be simpler to have the crafter repair your gear directly instead of going through a NPC then? You could just implement a cost for the crafter in supplies and if you want to, add a specific rate.