Why do people think the style is cartoon-like? I've never seen a cartoon like those, at all, ever, period. If you want an ESO-style game then you are looking at heavy use of instancing and basically a singleplayer game with MMO features. Not a complete MMO experience with heavy detail on voxel based world design with temporary, and permament changes.
"Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys. Look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death!" - Sun Tzu, the Art of War
Originally posted by Silverbarr Why do people think the style is cartoon-like? I've never seen a cartoon like those, at all, ever, period. If you want an ESO-style game then you are looking at heavy use of instancing and basically a singleplayer game with MMO features. Not a complete MMO experience with heavy detail on voxel based world design with temporary, and permament changes.
Everquest has NEVER been a cartoon based Artstyle game.
And yes, it IS a "Cartoon" style. SWTOR had it, WildStar has it, WoW had it, Rift has it...WE ARE TIRED OF IT.
Originally posted by Silverbarr Why do people think the style is cartoon-like? I've never seen a cartoon like those, at all, ever, period. If you want an ESO-style game then you are looking at heavy use of instancing and basically a singleplayer game with MMO features. Not a complete MMO experience with heavy detail on voxel based world design with temporary, and permament changes.
Yep, give me EQNext game concepts, with ESO graphics, then I'm all in... right now, I'm all out.
Originally posted by Silverbarr Why do people think the style is cartoon-like? I've never seen a cartoon like those, at all, ever, period. If you want an ESO-style game then you are looking at heavy use of instancing and basically a singleplayer game with MMO features. Not a complete MMO experience with heavy detail on voxel based world design.
IMHO I believe folks were looking for the feel of Everquest, and the graphics are way off from what the masses of fans were prepared for. The art style is 360 from what I thought they were going to go for personally. I was hoping for a more mature style like the EQ was based on.
The art style isn't bad, it just isn't what I was hoping for. /shrug
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
I don't really love the character models either, but if you're going to bail on a game because of the art style, instead of anything of any real substance, then good riddance and best of luck.
It just isn't that important. If you like the other parts of the game, you'll forget all about not liking the style.
Originally posted by Silverbarr Why do people think the style is cartoon-like? I've never seen a cartoon like those, at all, ever, period. If you want an ESO-style game then you are looking at heavy use of instancing and basically a singleplayer game with MMO features. Not a complete MMO experience with heavy detail on voxel based world design with temporary, and permament changes.
Everquest has NEVER been a cartoon based Artstyle game.
And yes, it IS a "Cartoon" style. SWTOR had it, WildStar has it, WoW had it, Rift has it...WE ARE TIRED OF IT.
Give me a list of MMO's you class as "realistic" and let me laugh.
For those saying Everquest was "realistic" you have some lovely rose tinted glasses.
"Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys. Look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death!" - Sun Tzu, the Art of War
I'm going to be honest, based on the concept art I figured it might be not quite as realistic as I would have preferred, but figured more Planetside 2 which would be fine with me. I NEVER, in my wildest nightmare, would have thought they really would go with a look like this. All I can say is
Reminds me of Bioshock Infinite. I don't know why, but I like it. I wasn't interested in gritty brown-and-down graphics. While this may look like a disney picture, the character design and color choices are what matters. The golem and wizard/lich-like enemy looked badass! They could pull off a terrifying monster design with this art-style choice. I like that it looks different and distinct.
Originally posted by Silverbarr Why do people think the style is cartoon-like? I've never seen a cartoon like those, at all, ever, period. If you want an ESO-style game then you are looking at heavy use of instancing and basically a singleplayer game with MMO features. Not a complete MMO experience with heavy detail on voxel based world design with temporary, and permament changes.
Because the characters have exaggerated features & their bodies are disproportionate. Also because it is animated art, just like cartoons.
Voxels... It's an interesting gimmick, I'll give it that. More information is needed before you can call this game a "complete mmo experience" when referenced against other games, imho.
Originally posted by Silverbarr Why do people think the style is cartoon-like? I've never seen a cartoon like those, at all, ever, period. If you want an ESO-style game then you are looking at heavy use of instancing and basically a singleplayer game with MMO features. Not a complete MMO experience with heavy detail on voxel based world design with temporary, and permament changes.
Everquest has NEVER been a cartoon based Artstyle game.
And yes, it IS a "Cartoon" style. SWTOR had it, WildStar has it, WoW had it, Rift has it...WE ARE TIRED OF IT.
Give me a list of MMO's you class as "realistic" and let me laugh.
For those saying Everquest was "realistic" you have some lovely rose tinted glasses.
I would say AoC, LoTRo, DAoC, TSW, and even Vanguard.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Well, i am quite impressed what they want to do with EQ:N.
Though i am 45 by now and Disney Graphics is ok for Nostalgia Cartoons but i am more into TESO regarding to Art Direction or at least more Realistic Shapes and High Resolution Textures of at least LOTRO level!
I outright hate anything WoWish...
The Landscape looks good as far it can be judged from this few Video-Clips.
Its not to late yet!
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
Well I don't normally post anywhere on stuff like this. I tend to read and observe. However... I am a b it thrown back by what I have read here and saw in the online show today.
I have been an EQ'er since 1999 and you cannot honestly try to compare EQ1 and WOW graphics. EQ2 and WOW ok. But it isn’t the graphics i think people are upset with or even the artwork. It is simply the Disney character models only. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the environment was just fine. But the Disney style character models were pretty ridiculous. It may not stop me from playing, or maybe it will, but only more time will tell. This was the first real reveal and I want to give it some more time before I pass total judgment.
Right now I don't know how to feel about the Lore of a game I have become intimate in knowledge of being redone or redesigned. But as for the graphics them self, they were awesome. [Minus the Character models-absolute F]
Yeah this game is a double-whammy dealbreaker: PvE only (waste of a sandbox) and shitty art direction.
People say games with realistic graphics don't age well, bullshit, look at Age of Conan, it's still the second best looking MMORPG on the market, only bested by TSW.
These colourful fairy pastel puke shit art styles are poision to my eyes. IT'S A PLAGUE!!!!!!!!!
I must agree. I'm the biggest EQ1 fanboy, but if the game is released with these graphics, then no level of amazing gameplay will be able to immerse me into the game.
Not to mention that the game is entirely 3rd person view. There's no way you can play it in first person with all the spinning and jumping everywhere. The only way to play EQ1 was first person.. this is so depressing. A console kiddie-art MMO with some great ideas plastered onto a GW2 gameplay corpse.
Who could possibly get hung up on the artistic design after all of the incredible things we just learned.
It's human nature. We are very visual animals.
I'm quite happy though. The art style is extremely pleasing to my eyes.
Wholeheartedly agree, I find it surreal that we are getting a bunch of incredible ideas executed in what appears to be an impressive way and people get hung up on a art-style, hell I don't even see the 'great cartoon-like disaster' people are implying, I see a damn beautiful game, with a beautiful world, that we can actually change in a manner of different ways - be it temporarily with combat to our/or the enemies benefit, or permament changes such as the Rally Call system. Other than that we still haven't learned about housing, etc.
I'm shocked at the personality and ridiculous statements that the 'MMO-gamers' of today are shouting out.
"Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys. Look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death!" - Sun Tzu, the Art of War
Wow. This site and tentonhammer should be ashamed. How could you hype a game you knew was just another Disney-kiddie WoW clone? Before this is all done they'll be dropping promises and adding exclamation marks to NPCs.
Originally posted by cheyane Everyone used to say gameplay over graphics but I guess that is not true, I happen to like the graphics so np here.
It stills exists, just that of todays standard it shouldn't have to be a choice to choose between, but instead a new mmorpg should have both imo. It isn't 2004 and release of WoW anymore it's actually 2013 the computers and the graphic cards have surpassed that cartoonish style long long time ago.
Also to me and many other players there are nothing scary and exciting with entering a dungeon where you get to fight a boss that looks like Donald Duck. More realistic graphics brings a more realistic experience.. simple as that.
Also the immense amount of effects makes it all a mess of effects instead of bringing good things to it.. I agree magic spells should have a clearly cool effect. But swingin your weapon in the air should not really have much effects at all beside particle effects if it's a magic weapon. Every sword skill doesn't have to have it's own special effects beside their own special animation of the swings of course. That's well enough.
Soon we are back to the old batman cartoonish style where we will see chatbubbles with "Pow, Bang....Booom" expressions ingame too...
Bring me forward into the graphics that actually can be used instead of turning the wheel backwards when we now more then ever have the machines needed to present the most beautiful mmo game ever made.
BRUTAL......is all i have to say about the art direction they decided to go with. very very shocking for me as an EQ veteran, hopefully the game is good enough for me to live with the cartoon graphics.
if the ogre models look bad i may not be able to take it.
Originally posted by Chieftan Wow. This site and tentonhammer should be ashamed. How could you hype a game you knew was just another Disney-kiddie WoW clone? Before this is all done they'll be dropping promises and adding exclamation marks to NPCs.
wow clone? oh because of the graphics? that's what makes it a wow clone? lol
ya i don't like the cartoon graphics either but calling it a clone just because of that is pretty comical.
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"Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys. Look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death!"
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War
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Everquest has NEVER been a cartoon based Artstyle game.
And yes, it IS a "Cartoon" style. SWTOR had it, WildStar has it, WoW had it, Rift has it...WE ARE TIRED OF IT.
Yep, give me EQNext game concepts, with ESO graphics, then I'm all in... right now, I'm all out.
IMHO I believe folks were looking for the feel of Everquest, and the graphics are way off from what the masses of fans were prepared for. The art style is 360 from what I thought they were going to go for personally. I was hoping for a more mature style like the EQ was based on.
The art style isn't bad, it just isn't what I was hoping for. /shrug
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
I don't really love the character models either, but if you're going to bail on a game because of the art style, instead of anything of any real substance, then good riddance and best of luck.
It just isn't that important. If you like the other parts of the game, you'll forget all about not liking the style.
http://f.cl.ly/items/3n15423i0G2i111y3c2b/computer.gif
Give me a list of MMO's you class as "realistic" and let me laugh.
For those saying Everquest was "realistic" you have some lovely rose tinted glasses.
"Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys. Look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death!"
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War
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If this game has cartoony graphics, then I'm out. [Graphics Discussion thread]
looks like it's time for someone to hit the road
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Because the characters have exaggerated features & their bodies are disproportionate. Also because it is animated art, just like cartoons.
Voxels... It's an interesting gimmick, I'll give it that. More information is needed before you can call this game a "complete mmo experience" when referenced against other games, imho.
for me
cartoon style(WOW/EQN) = childlike
I'm not a child.I don't want an avatar that represents me that is child like.
the same reason we never saw any trees getting "destroyed per-say" we will never know ^_-
and ye that cartoon affect needs toning down...
I would say AoC, LoTRo, DAoC, TSW, and even Vanguard.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Kids these days
Who could possibly get hung up on the artistic design after all of the incredible things we just learned.
Well, i am quite impressed what they want to do with EQ:N.
Though i am 45 by now and Disney Graphics is ok for Nostalgia Cartoons but i am more into TESO regarding to Art Direction or at least more Realistic Shapes and High Resolution Textures of at least LOTRO level!
I outright hate anything WoWish...
The Landscape looks good as far it can be judged from this few Video-Clips.
Its not to late yet!
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
MWO Music Video - What does the Mech say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF6HYNqCDLI
Johnny Cash - The Man Comes Around: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0x2iwK0BKM
It's human nature. We are very visual animals.
I'm quite happy though. The art style is extremely pleasing to my eyes.
Well I don't normally post anywhere on stuff like this. I tend to read and observe. However... I am a b it thrown back by what I have read here and saw in the online show today.
I have been an EQ'er since 1999 and you cannot honestly try to compare EQ1 and WOW graphics. EQ2 and WOW ok. But it isn’t the graphics i think people are upset with or even the artwork. It is simply the Disney character models only. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the environment was just fine. But the Disney style character models were pretty ridiculous. It may not stop me from playing, or maybe it will, but only more time will tell. This was the first real reveal and I want to give it some more time before I pass total judgment.
Right now I don't know how to feel about the Lore of a game I have become intimate in knowledge of being redone or redesigned. But as for the graphics them self, they were awesome. [Minus the Character models-absolute F]
Not to mention that the game is entirely 3rd person view. There's no way you can play it in first person with all the spinning and jumping everywhere. The only way to play EQ1 was first person.. this is so depressing. A console kiddie-art MMO with some great ideas plastered onto a GW2 gameplay corpse.
Wholeheartedly agree, I find it surreal that we are getting a bunch of incredible ideas executed in what appears to be an impressive way and people get hung up on a art-style, hell I don't even see the 'great cartoon-like disaster' people are implying, I see a damn beautiful game, with a beautiful world, that we can actually change in a manner of different ways - be it temporarily with combat to our/or the enemies benefit, or permament changes such as the Rally Call system. Other than that we still haven't learned about housing, etc.
I'm shocked at the personality and ridiculous statements that the 'MMO-gamers' of today are shouting out.
"Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys. Look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death!"
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War
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It stills exists, just that of todays standard it shouldn't have to be a choice to choose between, but instead a new mmorpg should have both imo. It isn't 2004 and release of WoW anymore it's actually 2013 the computers and the graphic cards have surpassed that cartoonish style long long time ago.
Also to me and many other players there are nothing scary and exciting with entering a dungeon where you get to fight a boss that looks like Donald Duck. More realistic graphics brings a more realistic experience.. simple as that.
Also the immense amount of effects makes it all a mess of effects instead of bringing good things to it.. I agree magic spells should have a clearly cool effect. But swingin your weapon in the air should not really have much effects at all beside particle effects if it's a magic weapon. Every sword skill doesn't have to have it's own special effects beside their own special animation of the swings of course. That's well enough.
Soon we are back to the old batman cartoonish style where we will see chatbubbles with "Pow, Bang....Booom" expressions ingame too...
Bring me forward into the graphics that actually can be used instead of turning the wheel backwards when we now more then ever have the machines needed to present the most beautiful mmo game ever made.
BRUTAL......is all i have to say about the art direction they decided to go with. very very shocking for me as an EQ veteran, hopefully the game is good enough for me to live with the cartoon graphics.
if the ogre models look bad i may not be able to take it.
wow clone? oh because of the graphics? that's what makes it a wow clone? lol
ya i don't like the cartoon graphics either but calling it a clone just because of that is pretty comical.