Originally posted by Zadawn Yes,it is kind of funny that people here are actually hyped for a F2P game.I for one will not play exclusively because of the cash shop.
I too am really, really surprised there is SO much hype about a F2P game, with an in game mall, and with Player Studio - which is RMT.
Umm.. what happened to all the hate for F2P, item malls, and RMT?
Apparently Smed - the guy who defended ruining SWG for years - is A OK to do these things ya'll supposedly hate?
What happened is that SOE has boiled the FTP water so slowly that people evolved/cooked something like this:
- "no RMT in my game"
- "no RMT that gives player power in my game"
- "no RMT that gives too much player power in my game"
- "if you don't like it, don't use it"
Exactly.
Sheep, meet the wool that has been slowly pulled over your eyes.
Granted, Station pass for 20$ a month is a fantastic deal - and hopefully SOE makes a sub to EQN well worth the monthly cost.
But, the whole RMT thing is just... so dirty to me.
I still have this feeling EQN is just going to offer some different server types, some dev created content like raids, quest lines, etc. and a lot of tools like a combination of Player Studio, Dungeon Maker, and say Foundry from STO or NW and put the real burden of content/story/quests/dungeon/raid creation on players.
Call it "revolutionary" - and laugh all the way to the bank as the players release more content and expansions than they do.
"See, it's a sandbox because we let you build your own dungeons/raids/battlegrounds/quest campaigns... and it's revolutionary because we pay you to do it!"
Smed's eyes are going to actually change his pupils into money signs.
Storybricks + the tools they already have for creating content is like.. super Foundry on crack... but I want to pay competent devs to make amazing games and content for me. I'll give you my money if you make it worth it, I promise.
I don't have the time, energy, or frankly creativity to create content as good as the pros can.
Nothing revolutionary about outsourcing your game to your players.
Played:SWG(pre NGE/CU sucked)Yep its true, anyone who quit SWG because of the NGE/CU missed out on a much better combat system. DCUO, Fallen Earth, STO, The Secret World. Battlefield series. Planetside 2. Still playing SWG.
What concerns me is that if you've watched their twitch feed of the Everquest 1 keynote speech, Everquest 2 keynote speech, and today's Everquest Next speech, there's one common theme. They are ALL pushing for player studios and player created items, structures, and missions. Do you know what happens to player created items? They are exclusive on the marketplace, they are only sold with cash. The creator and SOE share a cut. So you can see the incentive for SOE to push for player created items.
This means there's also an incentive for SOE to not create as many items to offer ingame, the default content we get for paying monthly subscriptions. This pushes players to make things, so they can be sold so both SOE & creators can get a cut out of them. This always leads to less content we get ingame for our subscription dollars, and more we'll have to spend out of our pockets in the cash shops.
Well said. So sick of this crap. When will the next real MMORPG with a Sub show up? Not spending a dime on these F2P SCAMS.
Originally posted by page975
I would normally be very excited about another Everquest, I'll not go into detail about my past play log. And this has nothing to do with Old school.
WE ALREADY KNOW THAT DEVELOPERS NEED TO MAKE MONEY...This does not have to be discussed in any way shape or form. We all know operating cost are up and production cost are high. We all know every business would like to make a large profit.
BUT, this game is designed to nickel and dime you one way or another from the start. Developers and marketing are planing on squeezing extra money from you in an unexpecting way. Their will be tricks and deceitful ways of starving the player in several aspics of your mmo experience with this game.
If you play an mmo like this for the long haul, you know you will need most everything or be gimped and not wanted by other groups that call this home.
You will not know who has what ! Others around you will have more or less in one way or another. Some will try and play totally free, others will get Dads credit cards and rack up hundreds of dollars. Some will say, " I'll be reasonable and smart about what I pay for, I'll look for deals and sales "....Should you have to be reasonable ?.....Should you have to be cautious of trickery ?...Are you OK with a game like this, even if you spend smart ?.......Are you expecting to play totally free as long as you can ?
Features, Fun, Graphics, content and what ever else they give the player.....This payment model is designed for the compulsive. The past tells us that 75% of the population of a F2P mmo will be gone in the first 30 days, no matter how good the game is.
Originally posted by jerlot65 Hate to brst your bubble but every MMO that gets released will be either buy a copy or free to play. And with either instance tehre will be a cash shop of some sort.
And with that; you can flush longevity and loyalty straight down the toilet. Every F2P game holds my attention until I start to realize the game is a gold sink and I'm feeling pressured to buy things that should be in game rewards.
Bring back the Sub's. Please
F2P is a scam and every gamer out there is getting taken advantage of.
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Exactly.
Sheep, meet the wool that has been slowly pulled over your eyes.
Granted, Station pass for 20$ a month is a fantastic deal - and hopefully SOE makes a sub to EQN well worth the monthly cost.
But, the whole RMT thing is just... so dirty to me.
I still have this feeling EQN is just going to offer some different server types, some dev created content like raids, quest lines, etc. and a lot of tools like a combination of Player Studio, Dungeon Maker, and say Foundry from STO or NW and put the real burden of content/story/quests/dungeon/raid creation on players.
Call it "revolutionary" - and laugh all the way to the bank as the players release more content and expansions than they do.
"See, it's a sandbox because we let you build your own dungeons/raids/battlegrounds/quest campaigns... and it's revolutionary because we pay you to do it!"
Smed's eyes are going to actually change his pupils into money signs.
Storybricks + the tools they already have for creating content is like.. super Foundry on crack... but I want to pay competent devs to make amazing games and content for me. I'll give you my money if you make it worth it, I promise.
I don't have the time, energy, or frankly creativity to create content as good as the pros can.
Nothing revolutionary about outsourcing your game to your players.
I would pay money to PWN YOU!
Money talks F2 P walks!
Played:SWG(pre NGE/CU sucked)Yep its true, anyone who quit SWG because of the NGE/CU missed out on a much better combat system. DCUO, Fallen Earth, STO, The Secret World. Battlefield series. Planetside 2. Still playing SWG.
What concerns me is that if you've watched their twitch feed of the Everquest 1 keynote speech, Everquest 2 keynote speech, and today's Everquest Next speech, there's one common theme. They are ALL pushing for player studios and player created items, structures, and missions. Do you know what happens to player created items? They are exclusive on the marketplace, they are only sold with cash. The creator and SOE share a cut. So you can see the incentive for SOE to push for player created items.
This means there's also an incentive for SOE to not create as many items to offer ingame, the default content we get for paying monthly subscriptions. This pushes players to make things, so they can be sold so both SOE & creators can get a cut out of them. This always leads to less content we get ingame for our subscription dollars, and more we'll have to spend out of our pockets in the cash shops.
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And with that; you can flush longevity and loyalty straight down the toilet. Every F2P game holds my attention until I start to realize the game is a gold sink and I'm feeling pressured to buy things that should be in game rewards.
Bring back the Sub's. Please
F2P is a scam and every gamer out there is getting taken advantage of.
Boycott FTP Games.