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The Cartoony Criticism.
Quillim
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I find to be absolutely hilarious. Why? Because it says a lot more about the person giving it than you might think.
Here is the thing. Video Games are *all* cartoons. None of them are 'realistic'. 'Realistic' is a term you use to describe a game that you got immersed in to the point where the cartoony-ness of Video Games no longer mattered and you no longer recognized it. EQ1? WoW? GW2? FFIV? They're all cartoons. Some are more detailed then others given technology and artistic ability. Some may have mechanics that mimic real world equivalents, but at their core they're all cartoons, and none of them are realistic. Each and every one.
A lot of people who grew up with them *do not realize this*. You can tell who these people are the moment they give The Cartoony Criticism every time a new video game is announced and shown. Slowly, they're coming to the realization that somehow these are not games for middle-aged adults, and never have been. Middle-aged adults usually don't play games, at least to the point where their ego is tied up in how well they perform in said game. They have kids and work. But for whatever reason, these people didn't get that memo... so rather than confront the fact that these new games gosh.. look like cartoons.. JUST LIKE THEIR OLD GAMES DID... they retreat back to that safe cave of a game that they believe to be 'realistic'.
So really... SOE.. go out and simply make a great game and ignore these lost souls and leave them to their caves. They're beyond help and honestly.. as a middle-aged guy i'd like to see a game kids and old folks alike actually like playing centered around Everquest, and gosh.. maybe they can play it together.
Wouldn't that be something.
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First of even if they are all cartoons their style differs a lot for example I would never play Free Realms and I mean it ever it's so childish my role play won't fit there.
You say all of the games are cartoon but thats like saying a Ferrari and a Kia are both cars so they are both the same and I say HELL NO!!!
I didn't play EQ or EQ2 just tested them and didn't like the combat but they looked good for role play the new EQN looks like a joke for little kids to play.
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There is a difference between classy cartoony characters and bratz dolls
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I think people are just throwing around cartoony and childish and immature as the first words that come to mind without really elaborating what it is exactly they don't like about the particular art style.
Saying something is cartoony is a very broad term even though I understand what they're talking about a lot of other people interpret it as "I HATE EVERYTHING THAT IS NOT BROWN + GREY GRITTY BLOODY REALISM" I'm sure there are people that think this way but personally for me I just find the triangle chins and exaggerated anatomy that I find off putting. It is particularly annoying when it has become a very popular style in modern games.
The meaning of words depends on the context they are used in.
When used describing video game art style 'realistic' means a style where artists try to craft the world to look as real as possible. The comparison between realistic graphic style and other graphics styles is valid and justified.
There's a difference between cartoony and unrealistic. Unrealistic just means something that is, well, unrealistic. Cartoony is typically over the top or incredibly exaggerated.
WoW is fairly cartoony. EQ 1, GW2 and FFIV are not cartoony. They are realistic expressionism (things that are trying to be realistic without actually being realistic)
That being said, complaining about a games looks is a legitimate discussion. I didn't like how Cloverfield or Superman worked visually because I thought the shaky cam was ridiculous. That doesn't mean they were bad movies, I just thought they were bad visually. I don't like WoW's cartoonish graphics. That doesn't mean I think it is a bad game, I just think the visuals are too silly to warrant a serious response.
Lol pray do tell what "Classy Cartoony" actually is? If you stripped Bratz of the clothes and the makeup, they'd just be fairly anime-ish
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
Everything looks cartoon and you find it hilarious and mid-aged peeps dont play video games.
crazy stuff.
Anyways.
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It is hard to describe a classy cartoony look. Something that one look can tell its a cartoon, but more classy and elegant
Something like Jem and the Holograms
The possibility of the universe collapsing into a singularity is higher than the birth of a perfect MMORPG.
There is nothing classy about that look (and I'm not just referring to the clothes). Most actual animators consider that sort of style to be uninteresting because it's drawing in close enough to realism that it lacks any actual life that the standard american cartoons (think disney, warner brothes, merry melodies etc).
The point is that style is incredibly subjective. Just because you dislike a style doesn't mean its actually bad, that'd be silly to think so. Nor does it mean that... THAT... is classy, just because you like it.
Thing is that a stylised graphics engine ages a lot better than a realistic one.
SOE seem to want this game to last for 10 or more years, they have to think long term.
People think stylized means cartoony.. it doesn't and people think you only have two options between that and realistic. Like no you could make the game look like Lord of the Rings for example (the movies) which had so many effects it gave this really nice fantasy feel.
I'm just bored of these graphics that every MMO has now.
Well, I didn't say I like or dislike anything. Nor I care for what you like and dislike.
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The possibility of the universe collapsing into a singularity is higher than the birth of a perfect MMORPG.
Stylized graphics (please don't use the word "cartoony") age far better than realistic style - or that is what experience has shown to the developers so far. Whereas realistic looking graphics can look outdated within 1-3 years, stylized graphics can look alright even after 5 years.
It can also be an style/art thing: GW2 has more of an artistic, painted look when WoW definitely looks like a cartoon. Perhaps it is a performance thing as well.
Don't be ignorant. Don't say "cartoony graphics are for kids".
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one way or another every single games are stylized, just like every comic you read or every anime and whatnot.
point is for the last few years we have been seeing the same stylized caroonish WoW/Warhammer wanna aesthetic over and over again, it is getting unimaginative and boring and even downright lazy imo, people seems to think "VIVID COLORS" means longivity and pleasing, but for me it just lacks characteristic. EQN just copy bunch of elements from other games like WoW . Allods and add some Disney and Dreamworks when EQ already had their own art style.
Look at single playing games/RPG and compares it to the current MMO genre.
To be honest i wanted a MMO that look like this , maybe i am expecting too much from the MMO genre in 2013.
Stylize is FINE, but make it original, like what Dragon Quest or Warhammer/40k did or recently Ni no Kuni.
Cartoony is fine as long as it's not used as a way to try to hide an otherwise graphically inferior game behind "stylized" art style.
Think: SW:TOR.
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OP, I'm not sure that I understand the comment about middle aged people and not playing games. I'm middle aged and honestly I love playing video games. I have all the other dynamics you spoke of as well and so do my friends who all have jobs, family etc to support so I think that comment should be reevaluated perhaps.
I do however agree to an extent on your take on graphics. Firstly yes they are all cartoons, but I think what most people are angry about is that this game will not allow them to fully immerse themselves into the game world due to the colorful effects of the game pulling them away from their character and environment.
Rift, Oblivion, Witcher all have this color palette of greys, dark greens, realistic life simulating color effects that in some instances can actually make it so you are in the world. Couple that with a character creation screen that lets you create a character that looks just like you and it then becomes even more immersive.
So then we come to ever Everquest Next. Frankly let me be honest I thought the art style was nice, but I'm an artist so I appreciate the hard work that goes into something. You can tell the artists love what they do. So moving on if I could I would ask the devs why they chose that art style instead of something closer to say Oblivion and Witcher. I respect their decision and I will play this game along with Wild star, FF14 and Elder scrolls.
Personally I think people need something to attack. I'm serious if EQ Next came out with the exact graphics we are referring to people would then complain about something else. Firstly its a free game so why not at the least check it out first and see how it goes before making that judgement.
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And what do you think will happen if this graphics is provided in an open world mmo? do you think any system in this world(other than a super computer) will be able to load 100 players on your screen? the number of players gathered around SW AH in a full realm in WoW at peak hour is more than 200. now i am talking about only loading 100 players, what if among these 100 20 players use a spell at the same time? add the effect of graphics to that loading time. mmo is more about playability than providing top notch graphics. no one will want to enter a world with realistic graphics then wait 1 day to load the starter area.
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crap computers run crap anyway, you cant fix crap.
By now people should have at least a Intel 2500K with a decent videocard and 8gig ram no ?
Your a pc gamer ? pc parts never been so cheap as today.
You can even look for used parts on all the interweb market site's.
If you want to play high end games like shooters and mmo's safe up for a decent rig once every 4 years lol.
I have no problem with a cartoony look, but the characters in EQN escaped from Walt Disney.....
WoW is also cartoony, almost a decade old, but it doesnt have that same kiddy look at EQN.
GW2 is also cartoony, but it doesnt have the same kiddy look as EQN.
I call it bullcrap that they needed to design it this way to make it easier for the pc.....
Its hilarious, seriously
Planetside 2
designed for thousands to be on the screen simultaneously
who owns Planetside 2 ?
the same people who own Everquest
so don't tell me the technology doesn't exist for thousands on the screen.....SONY already developed and owns it.Planetside 2
I always felt "cartoon" was a really limited word for describing the style, since most MMORPGs (except maybe CO and SW:TOR) really look nothing like a cartoon.
For that matter describing a character as a "toon" always irked me. Even in those games where it looks like a cartoon, it's still a character. And besides, Optimus Prime isn't a cartoon; Transformers is a cartoon.
Maybe this just dates me as being old enough that very few of the cartoons were 3D (ReBoot, Battletech, and only a handful of others,) so my cartoons looked entirely different from MMORPG characters.
Honestly I think any art style done well is fine for a game, and EQN looks great so far. It's the gameplay that matters.
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I don't. Thats actually almost very limited stylization. The only real outlier is the color scheme. With the exception of the second to last one, those all look like they have the exact same concept artists and that they all come from the exact same world. Thats not good considering that they are probably all seperate games