i can honestly say that straight people should really keep their opinion to themselves about lgbt issues unless it's full blown support
human rights are really no joke, its not a joke how much people have to fight to get equality, how much people have to go against the grain and bother people with threads every week just to be able to marry each other in a stupid game let alone in reality, and considering that we are not yet considered equals in many states the word "fag" can bring up issues with more sensitive people or people that are simply tired or the bullshit they have to face daily instead of being supported on such a simple issues as gay rights
"i can honestly say that straight people should really keep their opinion to themselves about lgbt issues unless it's full blown support"
and gays should stay out of straight people's lives, churches, and whatever other nonsense I can think of... unless its Full blown support.... see how stupid that sounded lol
sorry but life doesn't work that way, if you want equality and tolerance, you have to expect to give it... Any jokes or anything that isnt FULL BLOWN support is worthy of Ban?! what happen to tolerance...?
you're right it is dumb.
its dumb because none of the groups you listed are fighting for basic human rights. none of the groups you listed are still hesitant to display public affection in certain parts of our country for fear of physical reprisal against them.
how many straight people or church going folks fear kissing in public or are fighting tooth and nail for the law to change on marriage equality.
what you are describing is dumb because the balance of inequity most certainly does not lean in the direction of sexually straight churchgoers in america.
"There are at least two kinds of games. One could be called finite, the other infinite. A finite game is played for the purpose of winning, an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play." Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse
i can honestly say that straight people should really keep their opinion to themselves about lgbt issues unless it's full blown support
human rights are really no joke, its not a joke how much people have to fight to get equality, how much people have to go against the grain and bother people with threads every week just to be able to marry each other in a stupid game let alone in reality, and considering that we are not yet considered equals in many states the word "fag" can bring up issues with more sensitive people or people that are simply tired or the bullshit they have to face daily instead of being supported on such a simple issues as gay rights
"i can honestly say that straight people should really keep their opinion to themselves about lgbt issues unless it's full blown support"
and gays should stay out of straight people's lives, churches, and whatever other nonsense I can think of... unless its Full blown support.... see how stupid that sounded lol
sorry but life doesn't work that way, if you want equality and tolerance, you have to expect to give it... Any jokes or anything that isnt FULL BLOWN support is worthy of Ban?! what happen to tolerance...?
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gay people have no effect on straight people's lives unless they're saying negative things about being straight or making jokes
i don't get what you're trying to say
in league of legends u can get banned for cursing
calling someone a fag is considered hate speech, if you said it in a public school you could be suspended for a few days or even expelled
while i personally have no problem with it, overall, using the word fag as a joke desensitizes people overall, just like calling women bitches and i think it overall has a negative effect on society which is why some can view your ban as being appropriate despite the fact that you weren't targeting a specific person in particular
whether or not SE should be doing that is another matter too but you shouldn't feel like your ban was completely unwarranted
Basically, the gay community of FF14 made YET ANOTHER thread asking for same-sex marriage.
The thread was met with a lot of critique and humor, not because of the contents of the request, which are fair, but because they just keep making this "include gay features" threads every single week.
And just like it happened in the few last threads, people just ended up making light jokes about it and simply shrugging their shoulders at the constant gay threads ( right now there is TWO in the first page)
I myself posted the following:
16 pages and not a single user posted the usual Final Fagtasy pun?
What´s going on in this community?
Anyway, i do not have any issue with anyone being able to marry whom they damn please, it is NOT my business and if it makes them happy, i will applaud it.
After all, why would anyone feel bothered by the fact two players that are not even in his circle of friends have married on a game?
Just let people have fun xD
And this message got me banned from the beta.
It may not be the most sensitive joke ever, it may even have been childish by my part, but getting banned out of it?
You were banned because you broke the policy. Never ever bring real world issues into a MMO, it goes against policies of the game, and on this website for that matter and it disrupts the gaming community. Light joke or not, rules are rules.
i can honestly say that straight people should really keep their opinion to themselves about lgbt issues unless it's full blown support
human rights are really no joke, its not a joke how much people have to fight to get equality, how much people have to go against the grain and bother people with threads every week just to be able to marry each other in a stupid game let alone in reality, and considering that we are not yet considered equals in many states the word "fag" can bring up issues with more sensitive people or people that are simply tired or the bullshit they have to face daily instead of being supported on such a simple issues as gay rights
"i can honestly say that straight people should really keep their opinion to themselves about lgbt issues unless it's full blown support"
and gays should stay out of straight people's lives, churches, and whatever other nonsense I can think of... unless its Full blown support.... see how stupid that sounded lol
sorry but life doesn't work that way, if you want equality and tolerance, you have to expect to give it... Any jokes or anything that isnt FULL BLOWN support is worthy of Ban?! what happen to tolerance...?
you're right it is dumb.
its dumb because none of the groups you listed are fighting for basic human rights. none of the groups you listed are still hesitant to display public affection in certain parts of our country for fear of physical reprisal against them.
how many straight people or church going folks fear kissing in public or are fighting tooth and nail for the law to change on marriage equality.
what you are describing is dumb because the balance of inequity most certainly does not lean in the direction of sexually straight churchgoers in america.
Church goers..............aren't those the guys that preach love but have a book that directly tells them to hate certain groups of people.
Good thing you didn't make that joke at work. HR doesn't laugh.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
i can honestly say that straight people should really keep their opinion to themselves about lgbt issues unless it's full blown support
human rights are really no joke, its not a joke how much people have to fight to get equality, how much people have to go against the grain and bother people with threads every week just to be able to marry each other in a stupid game let alone in reality, and considering that we are not yet considered equals in many states the word "fag" can bring up issues with more sensitive people or people that are simply tired or the bullshit they have to face daily instead of being supported on such a simple issues as gay rights
"i can honestly say that straight people should really keep their opinion to themselves about lgbt issues unless it's full blown support"
and gays should stay out of straight people's lives, churches, and whatever other nonsense I can think of... unless its Full blown support.... see how stupid that sounded lol
sorry but life doesn't work that way, if you want equality and tolerance, you have to expect to give it... Any jokes or anything that isnt FULL BLOWN support is worthy of Ban?! what happen to tolerance...?
you're right it is dumb.
its dumb because none of the groups you listed are fighting for basic human rights. none of the groups you listed are still hesitant to display public affection in certain parts of our country for fear of physical reprisal against them.
how many straight people or church going folks fear kissing in public or are fighting tooth and nail for the law to change on marriage equality.
what you are describing is dumb because the balance of inequity most certainly does not lean in the direction of sexually straight churchgoers in america.
The only group I listed was straight people, as "church goers" are in that category too.
As for how many are fighting for basic rights?! Hundreds of THOUSANDS..... have you ever heard of any other type of bigotry?! I know of some people who, currently, are fighting for the right to simply not be shot in the street and defamed after death, simply because they look different. Or those who are looked over and are homeless and in some cases hunted, simply because they crossed a boarder...
Sorry if your problems aren't FIRST on the To Do list. I'm ALL for equal rights, I hope we can ACTUALLY start giving those out Soon. And not just to whoever has the microphone at the moment.
Well OP, for one, they are private forums and private business. They can exclude whoever they want. Two, it is near impossible to ascertain the true meaning of someone's words on the internet so most of the time it is taken literally (we cannot see your facial expression, hear tonal changes, etc...). As has been stated here, you have to be careful with your words. Hopefully this is a lesson learned. I am pretty sure most of us have been there at some point (or will be).
Cheers!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
I'm gay and although I'm not offended by the joke, most would be offended when using the word "Fag" jokingly or not. Just like any black person would be offended using the "N" word....in a joke or not. Gamers use "Fag" so commonly now that they dont even realize anymore that its offending....it's a normal part of their trash talk language. There is a big gay community in FFXIV, I dont know why anyone would assume using the word Fag is going to fly, especially with the moderators.
I understand you support what they are asking for and didnt mean it in a demeaning way, but people need to watch what they say. Just because it doesnt have any importance to who you are, doesnt mean it wont offend or hurt someone else reading it. And no, I dont think they are overreacting to the seemingly simple three letter word, it has a much more serious and stronger meaning to the gay community that most dont seem to understand, just like the "N" word still has such a strong meaning to blacks. I'm white, the "n" word means nothing to me personally....but I understand why its important to not use it, and I'm respectful of that.....so should the word "fag".
i can honestly say that straight people should really keep their opinion to themselves about lgbt issues unless it's full blown support
human rights are really no joke, its not a joke how much people have to fight to get equality, how much people have to go against the grain and bother people with threads every week just to be able to marry each other in a stupid game let alone in reality, and considering that we are not yet considered equals in many states the word "fag" can bring up issues with more sensitive people or people that are simply tired or the bullshit they have to face daily instead of being supported on such a simple issues as gay rights
"i can honestly say that straight people should really keep their opinion to themselves about lgbt issues unless it's full blown support"
and gays should stay out of straight people's lives, churches, and whatever other nonsense I can think of... unless its Full blown support.... see how stupid that sounded lol
sorry but life doesn't work that way, if you want equality and tolerance, you have to expect to give it... Any jokes or anything that isnt FULL BLOWN support is worthy of Ban?! what happen to tolerance...?
you're right it is dumb.
its dumb because none of the groups you listed are fighting for basic human rights. none of the groups you listed are still hesitant to display public affection in certain parts of our country for fear of physical reprisal against them.
how many straight people or church going folks fear kissing in public or are fighting tooth and nail for the law to change on marriage equality.
what you are describing is dumb because the balance of inequity most certainly does not lean in the direction of sexually straight churchgoers in america.
The only group I listed was straight people, as "church goers" are in that category too.
As for how many are fighting for basic rights?! Hundreds of THOUSANDS..... have you ever heard of any other type of bigotry?! I know of some people who, currently, are fighting for the right to simply not be shot in the street and defamed after death, simply because they look different. Or those who are looked over and are homeless and in some cases hunted, simply because they crossed a boarder...
Sorry if your problems aren't FIRST on the To Do list. I'm ALL for equal rights, I hope we can ACTUALLY start giving those out Soon. And not just to whoever has the microphone at the moment.
What in the name of Thor are you babbling on about!?
It's the word you used . Nowadays a word is it ,that southern tv cook personality used a word too and got blacklisted. Careful what you write in future.
Oddly enough my uncle who studied in England used it to mean a cigarette .
Typing isn't like talking you're in perfect control and can edit so there is not an excuse to use words that are considered bannable I guess.
The word "fag" has been used to identify "cigarette" in England for centuries("lighting a fag" or "pass me the fag"). one the other hand the word "faggot" has been used in England to describe annoying old people or generally very annoying people, even now they use those words openly(or at least in manchester where my uncle lives, i grew up learning english from Hollywood movies and it took me quite a while to stomach these words when my uncle used them day to day). problem here was the north american community, these words "faggot" and "fag" are explicitly used here as slang toward homosexuals(i don't understand why at all). but anyways slang in one country is common word word in another, people just have to realize on which country they are.
Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.
His message was clearly in light humour. If admins deletes the thread its the right course of action but the whole beta is a little harsh.
We ask alot of things from SE to be implemented lol wouldn't of thought this would be overblown. Friendship links like friendship items or tags on jewellery would be cool for all genders to enjoy. But straight marriage is alot more conventional especially in asian cultures and there will be people from all different ages playing this game. I dont think children or young teens parent's will appreciate exposure to same sex relationships as its not really the norm in many countries, traditions or culures. Thats how I feel about it!
Peace to all and look forward to meeting you all in ffxiv
Originally posted by Illunari I won't ever get the 2 minutes of my life back for reading this post will I....
I can´t wait for this guy to realize he lost even more time writing his reply.
ha! touche!
"There are at least two kinds of games. One could be called finite, the other infinite. A finite game is played for the purpose of winning, an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play." Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse
you were given to discuss why same sex marriage wasn't/shouldn't be allowed.. not to make fun of those 'people'.
best reason i've seen in thread was that some culture/country doesn't allow.. game may be rejected or rated to certain crowd... which may involve accessibility of game for others.
Originally posted by ZenTaoYingYang Originally posted by Sith2112Hmm.. They banned you for using a anti-gay slur? I guess their moderators are on the ball. It would have violated the terms for sure. I have participated in the beta and I found the game somewhat underwhelming myself. It definitely appeals to the FF crowd but in order to sustain revenue, I see F2P in the future. I really think the sub based model is going to be a thing of the past. There is just to much opportunity for increased revenue to pass up.
LOL best derail from a thread ever, its like a truck coming from the side and crashing the whole road.
That response made me laugh so hard my BF asked me what I just read LOL
Every single online game for the last 10 years has had posts like this thread. You should probably be getting the idea by now that you cant win this one. Slow, much?
The word "fag" has been used to identify "cigarette" in England for centuries("lighting a fag" or "pass me the fag"). one the other hand the word "faggot" has been used in England to describe annoying old people or generally very annoying people, even now they use those words openly(or at least in manchester where my uncle lives, i grew up learning english from Hollywood movies and it took me quite a while to stomach these words when my uncle used them day to day). problem here was the north american community, these words "faggot" and "fag" are explicitly used here as slang toward homosexuals(i don't understand why at all). but anyways slang in one country is common word word in another, people just have to realize on which country they are.
Here is an explanation, not sure if it is valid:
I think, as others have stated already, words are very powerful and there are some that simply should not be used any more imo.
I actually switched servers while trying out tera, because there were some players who used very offensive language in general chat (e.g. 'fag', and nazi related words). I reported them (as, i am sure, others did) but nothing happened...
Originally posted by Swiftrevoir I agree 100% with the ban. You were just hoping to get that joke swept under the rug and ignored because of your pandering to the gay audience later on in your post. You knew this could happen though, and were well aware that you were on an official forum with heavy monitoring. I really hope you don't feel like an injustice was done to you.
Lose the tinfoil hat.
I made the joke because i had a childish "lol fag and fantasy fit" humor moment and i supported gay marriage ingame because i frankly do not see a reason for gay people not to be able to enjoy all the game features.
Sure, the joke was stupid, but your theory is downright ridiculous.
Lose the tinfoil hat? No thanks, I've even named the thing. You'll be sorry you're not wearing one some day.
May seem very complicated but when you look at it it can be sum up to 1 word : Respect.
The world has gone to Hell with all this PC BS. You can't speak or crack a joke without someone being upset! What a sad little world we live in.
One of the worse parts is that all these "offended" people are the worst white knights you can get, they "demand" equal rights, free speech and respect, and yet fail to see that by doing so they are abusing the very ones they are demanding it from.
It's time to revert back to one of my old, favourite jokes... A drunk guy says to a policeman "If I call you a **** ****ing *******!" would you arrest me? To which the cop says "Yes!", the drunk then says "What if I think it?!?!" *boom, boom*.
The world is PC crazy, Armageddon can't come soon enough!
No trials. No tricks. No traps. No EU-RP server. NO THANKS!
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you're right it is dumb.
its dumb because none of the groups you listed are fighting for basic human rights. none of the groups you listed are still hesitant to display public affection in certain parts of our country for fear of physical reprisal against them.
how many straight people or church going folks fear kissing in public or are fighting tooth and nail for the law to change on marriage equality.
what you are describing is dumb because the balance of inequity most certainly does not lean in the direction of sexually straight churchgoers in america.
"There are at least two kinds of games.
One could be called finite, the other infinite.
A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse
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gay people have no effect on straight people's lives unless they're saying negative things about being straight or making jokes
i don't get what you're trying to say
in league of legends u can get banned for cursing
calling someone a fag is considered hate speech, if you said it in a public school you could be suspended for a few days or even expelled
while i personally have no problem with it, overall, using the word fag as a joke desensitizes people overall, just like calling women bitches and i think it overall has a negative effect on society which is why some can view your ban as being appropriate despite the fact that you weren't targeting a specific person in particular
whether or not SE should be doing that is another matter too but you shouldn't feel like your ban was completely unwarranted
You were banned because you broke the policy. Never ever bring real world issues into a MMO, it goes against policies of the game, and on this website for that matter and it disrupts the gaming community. Light joke or not, rules are rules.
This is year 2013.
Your cannot make fun of :
-People sexuality choice / love choice
-Race
-Religion
-Beleives
-valors
-Job
-Size/weight
-Height
-Food habbit
-clothes/look
-Disability
-Behavior
etc...
May seem very complicated but when you look at it it can be sum up to 1 word : Respect.
Church goers..............aren't those the guys that preach love but have a book that directly tells them to hate certain groups of people.
So what fun there is in world left then?
is it ok laugh todays?
I can´t wait for this guy to realize he lost even more time writing his reply.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
The only group I listed was straight people, as "church goers" are in that category too.
As for how many are fighting for basic rights?! Hundreds of THOUSANDS..... have you ever heard of any other type of bigotry?! I know of some people who, currently, are fighting for the right to simply not be shot in the street and defamed after death, simply because they look different. Or those who are looked over and are homeless and in some cases hunted, simply because they crossed a boarder...
Sorry if your problems aren't FIRST on the To Do list. I'm ALL for equal rights, I hope we can ACTUALLY start giving those out Soon. And not just to whoever has the microphone at the moment.
Well OP, for one, they are private forums and private business. They can exclude whoever they want. Two, it is near impossible to ascertain the true meaning of someone's words on the internet so most of the time it is taken literally (we cannot see your facial expression, hear tonal changes, etc...). As has been stated here, you have to be careful with your words. Hopefully this is a lesson learned. I am pretty sure most of us have been there at some point (or will be).
Cheers!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
I'm gay and although I'm not offended by the joke, most would be offended when using the word "Fag" jokingly or not. Just like any black person would be offended using the "N" word....in a joke or not. Gamers use "Fag" so commonly now that they dont even realize anymore that its offending....it's a normal part of their trash talk language. There is a big gay community in FFXIV, I dont know why anyone would assume using the word Fag is going to fly, especially with the moderators.
I understand you support what they are asking for and didnt mean it in a demeaning way, but people need to watch what they say. Just because it doesnt have any importance to who you are, doesnt mean it wont offend or hurt someone else reading it. And no, I dont think they are overreacting to the seemingly simple three letter word, it has a much more serious and stronger meaning to the gay community that most dont seem to understand, just like the "N" word still has such a strong meaning to blacks. I'm white, the "n" word means nothing to me personally....but I understand why its important to not use it, and I'm respectful of that.....so should the word "fag".
What in the name of Thor are you babbling on about!?
The word "fag" has been used to identify "cigarette" in England for centuries("lighting a fag" or "pass me the fag"). one the other hand the word "faggot" has been used in England to describe annoying old people or generally very annoying people, even now they use those words openly(or at least in manchester where my uncle lives, i grew up learning english from Hollywood movies and it took me quite a while to stomach these words when my uncle used them day to day). problem here was the north american community, these words "faggot" and "fag" are explicitly used here as slang toward homosexuals(i don't understand why at all). but anyways slang in one country is common word word in another, people just have to realize on which country they are.
Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.
We ask alot of things from SE to be implemented lol wouldn't of thought this would be overblown. Friendship links like friendship items or tags on jewellery would be cool for all genders to enjoy. But straight marriage is alot more conventional especially in asian cultures and there will be people from all different ages playing this game. I dont think children or young teens parent's will appreciate exposure to same sex relationships as its not really the norm in many countries,
traditions or culures. Thats how I feel about it!
Peace to all and look forward to meeting you all in ffxiv
ha! touche!
"There are at least two kinds of games.
One could be called finite, the other infinite.
A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse
gay is an existence.. not a matter of discussion.
you were given to discuss why same sex marriage wasn't/shouldn't be allowed.. not to make fun of those 'people'.
best reason i've seen in thread was that some culture/country doesn't allow.. game may be rejected or rated to certain crowd... which may involve accessibility of game for others.
That response made me laugh so hard my BF asked me what I just read LOL
Here is an explanation, not sure if it is valid:
I think, as others have stated already, words are very powerful and there are some that simply should not be used any more imo.
I actually switched servers while trying out tera, because there were some players who used very offensive language in general chat (e.g. 'fag', and nazi related words). I reported them (as, i am sure, others did) but nothing happened...
edit: spelling
Lose the tinfoil hat? No thanks, I've even named the thing. You'll be sorry you're not wearing one some day.
I would ban you from my game if you called it a fag.
Edit: If i had a game or gave a F that is.
The world has gone to Hell with all this PC BS. You can't speak or crack a joke without someone being upset! What a sad little world we live in.
One of the worse parts is that all these "offended" people are the worst white knights you can get, they "demand" equal rights, free speech and respect, and yet fail to see that by doing so they are abusing the very ones they are demanding it from.
It's time to revert back to one of my old, favourite jokes... A drunk guy says to a policeman "If I call you a **** ****ing *******!" would you arrest me? To which the cop says "Yes!", the drunk then says "What if I think it?!?!" *boom, boom*.
The world is PC crazy, Armageddon can't come soon enough!
No trials. No tricks. No traps. No EU-RP server. NO THANKS!
...10% Benevolence, 90% Arrogance in my case!