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Could you accept player imprisonment in a FFA PvP game?
Vermillion_Raventhal
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In a sandbox game where players police themselves could you accept the risk of imprisonment for breaking laws by stealing, killing or harming another player inside their territory if defeated?
I ask this because I know one of the biggest things about FFA PvP is that even when players band together to stop gankers they just return. Eventually this leads to apathy of stopping the random killer.
With rule of law given to the community the ability to lock up player killers up I think you might have a lot less random killings. This of course does not stop wars and the like but focus on the random killers.
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No. I won't play a game that don't allow me to play. What is the point?
But i won't play a FFA pvp game in the first place, so i suppose my opinion is moot.
No surprise that you wouldn't.
You could still play but you would in in prison. Not just a cell but a larger area to wander. I should have gone in further in stating there would be a time limit to how long you could be imprisoned and you have to be defeated. Its more of a if you come into a town and start killing people there could be consequences.
That does not sound fun.
It does not matter about the time limit. Even if it is 5 min, i can always find another game that won't give me 5 min of non-fun time.
Kind of the point of it though. Its an anti grief tool in a game where you could be killed. You would only be subject if you were killing someone for no reason in their area.
Imprisoning is a good system, but only if you get caught by NPCs.
Divide the world in guarded and unguarded zones, and if you've got criminal records then the NPC will hunt you down in those guarded areas, whereas you can travel freely in the unguarded zones.
Oh, and criminal records are only applied when you commit crime in guarded areas too.
This way the people who want to play it safe can stay in the guraded areas, and those who want to take risks can go to the unguarded areas.
Look at EvE Online, it works like a charm, allthough there's no prisons.
If you are roleplaying, being imprisoned for committing crimes is fun.
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People want the freedom to kill whomever they want and take all of their loot but they dont want any consequences for those actions.
Your post reminds me of Clark Duke's character in Second Life's prison in "Hot Tub Time Machine."
This. And this is why I dislike 'full PVP' so much.
No alts, no extra accounts, and no offline countdown. Then, and only then, might I consider full open world PVP.
I think what really needs to happen; is there needs to be extremely limited safe zones in the world, maybe main cities, and one or two central hubs in the zone itself.
Players bickering about "anti-grief" really bother me. I grew up playing MMOs, and really enjoying them. There was no "anti-grief" system back then, it was kill, be killed, or relocate areas. I am all for the mass slaughter of pvp on pvp realms, and really dislike too many restrictions, as it takes the immersiveness out of the game.
For the most part, people roll on a PVP server to, well, you know, pvp. These days though, people cry about getting ganked once, call it griefing, and I just can't figure out why those people ever roll on the PVP servers ;-;
As someone who has no desire to attack an innocent person, I agree. Until they add some consequences into FFA PVP count me out. At least an ability to hide, but I don't see that happening since most MMO's have the players name above their head.
Don't get me wrong I loved War Z and DayZ, you could be killed at any time for no reason, but at least you could hide if you weren't as well equipped. If those games had my name in big letters above my head for everyone to find me I wouldn't play them either.
An MMO I played a while back called Dransik had that. IIRC, I had to smash boulders and hand in the stones to try to shorten my sentence. Part of the time was also spent avoiding other criminals that wanted to kill me for my stones.
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If done correctly I would absolutely play such a game.
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It's a reality of the genre. I player killed someone as my first action in UO 2nd phase of beta testing. I'm not against PvP. But random killers need to be a uncommon like they are in real life or you have a lords of the flies game.
I want the freedom to kill anyone but the consequences need to be their as the balance.
I cannot accept FFA PVP as a game choice I would ever make.
Faction vs faction conflict is my passion.
Hmmm.. Age of Wushu has the prison system right? And people can break you out?
LOL that sounds hilarious!!
If the imprisonment system was fun, then why not? How you make prison fun in a game is another thing.
I think the idea shouldn't be to punish people for killing innocent players if that is fun for them, but instead to have consequences for dying so that players will think twice before considering if killing a player is worth the risk.
Beyond a certain point, the rarity just magnifies the impact when it happens.
To me, PKing is either a part of your game or it's not. There can be a price, but if you are punishing people for playing a role the game deliberately provides for them to play, you've done something wrong.
I liked how the reputation and jail system in Ashen Empires works. If you killed another player or town guard or something, you became criminal, and lowered your reputation. You would have to stay out of town until criminal status would wear off, and if you got your reputation low enough guards will KoS you. If you died, you were captured and sent to jail. In jail you could wait your time out, but you could also move big rocks into a crusher to reduce your sentence. The more times you went jail the longer your sentence would be. It worked great.
Edit: also while criminal, you could be looted without the looter becoming a criminal or effecting his reputation
So all these threads about other style games are also advertisements or is it a discussion about mmorpg design?
I don't see why not. If you want to simulate a game with freedoms there needs to be risk of consequences or punishments for behavior. In games you never truly die or even feel pain the player killers have all the advantages. Killer a miner who has no chance to defend themselves is taking away their time. So I see no reason if you're defeated they can't take away some of yours.