Stop complaining about the gameplay.. This is what we asked for.

Siveria

Listen, stop complaining about how FF14 is like world of warcraft, this is what the players bascally asked for so this is what we got. Imo its better than most wow clones at least due to the class system and such, and the fact it has an actual story unlike most mmorpgs. At first I though the game was bleh, but then I look at the time and its 9 hours later.

Just remember the key point: This is what us the players bascally asked for, and they delivered, and honestly its not that bad. Its at least more intersting than most wow-clones. Also this is coming from me who has pretty much slammed the game for being a wow clone, after playing it for a bit, its not all that bad, it'll pass the time till Wildstar anyway.

In reality, pretty much every mmorpg is going to be as generic as wow for the most part, each time devs have deviated from the formula and its a sub based mmorpg its never done well enough to stay a sub based mmo. Its also what teh casuals want sadly and casuals make up much more of the market share than older more hardcore mmorpg players like myself. I've bascally made myself come to terms with it, maybe you should try to do this as well, you may enjoy the games more that way.

huihuhuhu

final fantasy...check...fun as hell...check...diff shit to kill than just one or two reskinned monsters...check....what more can a guy ask for...check

Rohn

I don't recall asking for yet another "more of the same" game.  We've had literally dozens and dozens of them come out over the last decade.  Enough is enough.

In fact, what most people, myself included, have been asking for is something different - an actual change in the genre.

There's no sense in leaving a standard themepark, in which a player may have years of equity built, just to play the same game with a different title.  And that's what  FFXIV is, a standard, run-of-the-mill themepark.  I've already played it, a dozen times over.

Chuckanar

I agree on most everything. I would like to add, they made a good game with most of what casuals wanted and it is very pretty. I expect it to be a success. For those that want pvp it will be there and being a casual myself I am glad that pvp will have no effect on what my class skills do. The pvp skills are seperate from the pve side. I think that will keep the casuals very happy and also make the pvp players happy since they can hopefully get their skills reworked faster without it affecting the base game.

I think I will be happy playing this game for the rest of the year til Wildstar comes out as well.

One bit of advice for those that want to play FFXIV ARR, If you look for problems you will find them, that is how life and even games work. Try and look for enjoyment and you will find it.

Siveria

Originally posted by Rohn

I don't recall asking for yet another "more of the same" game.  We've had literally dozens and dozens of them come out over the last decade.  Enough is enough.

In fact, what most people, myself included, have been asking for is something different - an actual change in the genre.

There's no sense in leaving a standard themepark, in which a player may have years of equity built, just to play the same game with a different title.

I didn't ask for one either,  but what can ya do really? Casuals is the targeted marketplace for mmorpgs these days, so they give em what they seem to want. Though some stuff could have been made better imo.

Shadowguy64

I'm not complaining. I actually managed to comprehend the concept that different games will offer different things. People who are looking for action combat can go look for MMO's with action combat. People wanting traditional tab-target combat can look for those games.

 

Not sure if that concept is hard for people or if I'm way off base and every game needs to be exactly what I like every time and if it doesn't I should make it my life's duty to troll every thread and try to convince anyone who likes something I don't that they are wrong and are destroying the gaming industry. I'm pretty sure I'm not off base tho...

shockwaved1

Final Fantasy ARR

voltt

its not like square lied to use either they told us what they were making a classic style mmo. So why would you expect anything else?? go play another game if you dont like it

Lexin

Not what I asked for but I'm enjoying myself and having fun so I will continue to play for a long time.

shockwaved1

Originally posted by Rohn

I don't recall asking for yet another "more of the same" game.  We've had literally dozens and dozens of them come out over the last decade.  Enough is enough.

In fact, what most people, myself included, have been asking for is something different - an actual change in the genre.

There's no sense in leaving a standard themepark, in which a player may have years of equity built, just to play the same game with a different title.  And that's what  FFXIV is, a standard, run-of-the-mill themepark.  I've already played it, a dozen times over.

Go make one if u have all these crazy new ideas for a new mmorpg . What will u make different that has not already been done ??? Or what is upcoming.

eddieg50

Originally posted by Siveria

Listen, stop complaining about how FF14 is like world of warcraft, this is what the players bascally asked for so this is what we got. Imo its better than most wow clones at least due to the class system and such, and the fact it has an actual story unlike most mmorpgs. At first I though the game was bleh, but then I look at the time and its 9 hours later.

Just remember the key point: This is what us the players bascally asked for, and they delivered, and honestly its not that bad. Its at least more intersting than most wow-clones. Also this is coming from me who has pretty much slammed the game for being a wow clone, after playing it for a bit, its not all that bad, it'll pass the time till Wildstar anyway.

In reality, pretty much every mmorpg is going to be as generic as wow for the most part, each time devs have deviated from the formula and its a sub based mmorpg its never done well enough to stay a sub based mmo. Its also what teh casuals want sadly and casuals make up much more of the market share than older more hardcore mmorpg players like myself. I've bascally made myself come to terms with it, maybe you should try to do this as well, you may enjoy the games more that way.

  You said it perfectly "bleh", I would say bland. people are sucked in by the graphics and how logically everything is laid out

Kyleran

Originally posted by Siveria

Originally posted by Rohn
I don't recall asking for yet another "more of the same" game.  We've had literally dozens and dozens of them come out over the last decade.  Enough is enough. In fact, what most people, myself included, have been asking for is something different - an actual change in the genre. There's no sense in leaving a standard themepark, in which a player may have years of equity built, just to play the same game with a different title.

I didn't ask for one either,  but what can ya do really? Casuals is the targeted marketplace for mmorpgs these days, so they give em what they seem to want. Though some stuff could have been made better imo.

 

How about not buying, playing, or supporting games that aren't built the way we want them? Novel concept I realize, but that's my current take on it. Sticking with an old favorite until some really emergent game play comes along.

Gormogon

I was not around for 1.x, so I have no idea what was asked for.

 

The game is what it is.  The reasons don't really matter anymore except to contrast with where FFXIV was originally..  The game will be evaluated by most players on the experience it offers now, not on how well it conforms to the vision 1.x players and alpha and beta testers laid out with the devs.

Rusque

Originally posted by Shadowguy64

I'm not complaining. I actually managed to comprehend the concept that different games will offer different things. People who are looking for action combat can go look for MMO's with action combat. People wanting traditional tab-target combat can look for those games.

 

Not sure if that concept is hard for people or if I'm way off base and every game needs to be exactly what I like every time and if it doesn't I should make it my life's duty to troll every thread and try to convince anyone who likes something I don't that they are wrong and are destroying the gaming industry. I'm pretty sure I'm not off base tho...

Damn straight.

I too am boggled at the persistence of people hellbent on asking for any and all games to be made in a particular style that suits them while ignoring all of the existing MMO's for some reason or another. Are they expecting some MMO to come out and tick every single box they have on their checklist? May as well retire from gaming if they're waiting for that.

striderbob

The people are complaining are waiting for the perfect game they have formed in their head that will never happen.

A lot of games have claimed or tried  to be innovative or revolutionary for the genre and have failed. I do sincerely hope that at some point something does change but I'm not going to turn my nose up at something that isn't.

Those that want to daydream and look to the future and doomsay anything that isn't a unique, revolutionary-snowflake are more then welcome to. 

But I personally will enjoy the present which is a feature-rich, well-developed MMORPG with enough of a twist and charm to be enjoyable for a long while.

Mimzel

"We, the gamers"? Excuse me, can I have my soap box back, please?

We gamers didnt ask for anything. We are sheep with wallets, that's all.

However, with that said, I love FFXIV so far. It would be the 2nd coming before all gamers like the same thing, though.

Aldous.Huxley

Sorry guys, it was me, I asked for this.

 

All of it, including the errors locking people out of beta 4.

 

But I'm very pleased with the way things are so be envious of my contentment.

Shoko_Lied

Originally posted by huihuhuhu
final fantasy...check...fun as hell...check...diff shit to kill than just one or two reskinned monsters...check....what more can a guy ask for...check

Airships and boats players can actually ride on together.

Derros

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Siveria

Originally posted by Rohn

I don't recall asking for yet another "more of the same" game.  We've had literally dozens and dozens of them come out over the last decade.  Enough is enough.

In fact, what most people, myself included, have been asking for is something different - an actual change in the genre.

There's no sense in leaving a standard themepark, in which a player may have years of equity built, just to play the same game with a different title.

I didn't ask for one either,  but what can ya do really? Casuals is the targeted marketplace for mmorpgs these days, so they give em what they seem to want. Though some stuff could have been made better imo.

 

How about not buying, playing, or supporting games that aren't built the way we want them? Novel concept I realize, but that's my current take on it. Sticking with an old favorite until some really emergent game play comes along.

You mean actually voting with your wallet?  Maddness my good man, Maddness!  I say. 

 

We MUST buy each and every new MMO that comes out and then complain that everything is the same as every other game that we bought all the while devs ripping their hair out in confusion.

Shoko_Lied

Originally posted by Shadowguy64

I'm not complaining. I actually managed to comprehend the concept that different games will offer different things. People who are looking for action combat can go look for MMO's with action combat. People wanting traditional tab-target combat can look for those games.

 

Not sure if that concept is hard for people or if I'm way off base and every game needs to be exactly what I like every time and if it doesn't I should make it my life's duty to troll every thread and try to convince anyone who likes something I don't that they are wrong and are destroying the gaming industry. I'm pretty sure I'm not off base tho...

Although FFXIV has tab targeting, I wouldn't call it a tab targeting game. It's horrendous at tabbing targets. Tank is on mob and there's one next to him. Most of the time when I tab it doesn't target tanks mob, or the mob next to him, it tabs through 10 other mobs starting with the absolute furthest away possible.

Vahrane

Originally posted by Siveria

Listen, stop complaining about how FF14 is like world of warcraft, this is what the players bascally asked for so this is what we got. Imo its better than most wow clones at least due to the class system and such, and the fact it has an actual story unlike most mmorpgs. At first I though the game was bleh, but then I look at the time and its 9 hours later.

Just remember the key point: This is what us the players bascally asked for, and they delivered, and honestly its not that bad. Its at least more intersting than most wow-clones. Also this is coming from me who has pretty much slammed the game for being a wow clone, after playing it for a bit, its not all that bad, it'll pass the time till Wildstar anyway.

In reality, pretty much every mmorpg is going to be as generic as wow for the most part, each time devs have deviated from the formula and its a sub based mmorpg its never done well enough to stay a sub based mmo. Its also what teh casuals want sadly and casuals make up much more of the market share than older more hardcore mmorpg players like myself. I've bascally made myself come to terms with it, maybe you should try to do this as well, you may enjoy the games more that way.

       Right, let's all just convince ourselves that playing essentially the same game again is what we "asked for". Personally, I've railed against the mediocrity of ensuing titles  post Vanilla WoW, going so far as to vote with my wallet and stop buying the same old crap. The problem is countless others seem to lack any self control, simply allowing that, "This isn't what we expected in a 2013 release from a AAA company, but why not just support them anyway!" 

Shadowguy64

Originally posted by denshing

Originally posted by Shadowguy64

I'm not complaining. I actually managed to comprehend the concept that different games will offer different things. People who are looking for action combat can go look for MMO's with action combat. People wanting traditional tab-target combat can look for those games.

 

Not sure if that concept is hard for people or if I'm way off base and every game needs to be exactly what I like every time and if it doesn't I should make it my life's duty to troll every thread and try to convince anyone who likes something I don't that they are wrong and are destroying the gaming industry. I'm pretty sure I'm not off base tho...

Although FFXIV has tab targeting, I wouldn't call it a tab targeting game. It's horrendous at tabbing targets. Tank is on mob and there's one next to him. Most of the time when I tab it doesn't target tanks mob, or the mob next to him, it tabs through 10 other mobs starting with the absolute furthest away possible.

Are there options to fix that? Or a better alternative to hitting the tab key?

 

I'd like to know for myself actually.

Shoko_Lied

Originally posted by Vahrane

Originally posted by Siveria

Listen, stop complaining about how FF14 is like world of warcraft, this is what the players bascally asked for so this is what we got. Imo its better than most wow clones at least due to the class system and such, and the fact it has an actual story unlike most mmorpgs. At first I though the game was bleh, but then I look at the time and its 9 hours later.

Just remember the key point: This is what us the players bascally asked for, and they delivered, and honestly its not that bad. Its at least more intersting than most wow-clones. Also this is coming from me who has pretty much slammed the game for being a wow clone, after playing it for a bit, its not all that bad, it'll pass the time till Wildstar anyway.

In reality, pretty much every mmorpg is going to be as generic as wow for the most part, each time devs have deviated from the formula and its a sub based mmorpg its never done well enough to stay a sub based mmo. Its also what teh casuals want sadly and casuals make up much more of the market share than older more hardcore mmorpg players like myself. I've bascally made myself come to terms with it, maybe you should try to do this as well, you may enjoy the games more that way.

       Right, let's all just convince ourselves that playing essentially the same game again is what we "asked for". Personally, I've railed against the mediocrity of ensuing titles  post Vanilla WoW, going so far as to vote with my wallet and stop buying the same old crap. The problem is countless others seem to lack any self control, simply allowing that, "This isn't what we expected in a 2013 release from a AAA company, but why not just support them anyway!" 

Well at least crafting is leagues better in FFXIV than WoW. WoW crafting felt like a mini game to complete as an achievement. Vanilla WoW has awesome raiding though. I wouldn't mind having content like that in FFXIV. I haven't played WoW since 07 anyhow.

Shoko_Lied

Originally posted by Shadowguy64

Originally posted by denshing

Originally posted by Shadowguy64

I'm not complaining. I actually managed to comprehend the concept that different games will offer different things. People who are looking for action combat can go look for MMO's with action combat. People wanting traditional tab-target combat can look for those games.

 

Not sure if that concept is hard for people or if I'm way off base and every game needs to be exactly what I like every time and if it doesn't I should make it my life's duty to troll every thread and try to convince anyone who likes something I don't that they are wrong and are destroying the gaming industry. I'm pretty sure I'm not off base tho...

Although FFXIV has tab targeting, I wouldn't call it a tab targeting game. It's horrendous at tabbing targets. Tank is on mob and there's one next to him. Most of the time when I tab it doesn't target tanks mob, or the mob next to him, it tabs through 10 other mobs starting with the absolute furthest away possible.

Are there options to fix that? Or a better alternative to hitting the tab key?

 

I'd like to know for myself actually.

I haven't looked to see. I'm a healer so I just tab or click enemies to to a quick dot on them. Tabbing works decent if the closest enemies are directly in front of you. But I stand off to the side a lot, so I think it picks up on enemies on my peripheral easier.

Vahrane

Originally posted by denshing 

Well at least crafting is leagues better in FFXIV than WoW. WoW crafting felt like a mini game to complete as an achievement. Vanilla WoW has awesome raiding though. I wouldn't mind having content like that in FFXIV. I haven't played WoW since 07 anyhow.

        What about compared to say it's predecessor FFXI's crafting. I recall  weather, season, day of the week, etc. all effecting crafting chances/results. It was a very complex system that required effort on the part of the player, but that's probably why unique systems like that went by the way side. Granted in ARR the crafting is still better than WoW, however, that isn't really saying much considering.

Rewhymo

Best crafting system ive ever used was SWG.