What works in the west doesnt usually work in the east. Aion and Lineage are huge there, in the west, even as f2p, they are unpopular.
Except the fact that more than half of all WoW subs are in Asia and near 40% of Nexons income is coming in from the west...doh!
When you use the worst of the bunch for your examples, your examples are bad.
Western companies don't do F2P, they do FREEMIUM. That is why they fail.
Many eastern companies that bring F2P to the west go with higher cash shop prices thinking it will work because the west is wealthy. that is why they fail.
Those that don't follow that, do very well and the influx of a ton of money is vastly increasing the quality of eastern made games and THEY are looking to the future. The top 4 Korean game makers now have offices in America and Europe with one thing in mind, making their games with some western designs to make MMOs for the world, not just one region and we are seeing it in upcoming games like Black Desert, Ein and others. While they are doing that, what are western MMO makers doing?
More of the same expecting different results. And they will keep doing it as long as the quick cash grab model can get them a quick profit. Long term means nothing.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Originally posted by Briansho Should be more like 2013 is P2P. Companies are in business for one reason. To make money. They are going to make the customers happy who pay them the most money.
So what you are saying is that they should be going F2P, actual F2P with an outstanding Eastern style cash shop.
I agree.
Quick, someone go full circle and act like Asian F2P games don't make more than every sub MMO other than WoW so the thread can go another dozen pages with rehashed arguments.
If you are not WoW, F2P is the only smart choice for steady revenue, so fire your western boxed in company heads and bring in someone that has a clue about the reason why F2P is making more money in the east.
You are ignoring the obvious:
What works in the west doesnt usually work in the east. Aion and Lineage are huge there, in the west, even as f2p, they are unpopular.
I agree
Lineage 1 makes alone $25-30 million USD a month
Lineage 2, Aion and B&S make together another $25-30 million USD a month
They work very well in east, but don't work in west.
The opposite is true too, western MMOs fail hard in east, WoW was the only exception so far.
Lineage 2, Aion and B&S make together another $25-30 million USD a month
They work very well in east, but don't work in west.
The opposite is true too, western MMOs fail hard in east, WoW was the only exception so far.
Until you factor in that FFXI and FFXIV are eastern games that have done great in the west...yeah, sorry but Japan is an Eastern nation. Or how about that Runes of Magic is massive in Europe...Ragnarok Online was also cross region massive. Hell even Atlantica Online is making NDoors around 90 million a year in the west, not near what it gets in the east but still places it around what 500k subscribers would be.
Or that Guild Wars was very successful in Korea, a western game.
Western games have a serious issue being big in the East due to the fact that most companies make their games heavily designed for one region which when you think about it, should never happen for an MMO, a game that should be made for a world wide audience.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Lineage 2, Aion and B&S make together another $25-30 million USD a month
They work very well in east, but don't work in west.
The opposite is true too, western MMOs fail hard in east, WoW was the only exception so far.
Until you factor in that FFXI and FFXIV are eastern games that have done great in the west...yeah, sorry but Japan is an Eastern nation. Or how about that Runes of Magic is massive in Europe...Ragnarok Online was also cross region massive. Hell even Atlantica Online is making NDoors around 90 million a year in the west, not near what it gets in the east but still places it around what 500k subscribers would be.
Or that Guild Wars was very successful in Korea, a western game.
Western games have a serious issue being big in the East due to the fact that most companies make their games heavily designed for one region which when you think about it, should never happen for an MMO, a game that should be made for a world wide audience.
Im having a hard time understanding your point because some F2P games are successful there should never again be a P2P game. am I following you correctly?
Here's what I see in these threads all the time. People pretending to know what they are talking about.
They go and find some fact that represents a snapshot in time and then fabricate a whole argument around it intricately explaining why this fact is. And when you call them out on it, they revert back to the fact.
"subs are down by 9%" = Fact
"Becasue the business model is dying."= Fabricated bullshit.
Why do they even try or bother with P2P, why not make it B2P at release. Most likely all of the new mmorpgs that are P2P will go over to B2P or F2P in a few months. No one wants to pay monthly for a game, there's a few who would but those are a minority and the majority wins every time and still developers want P2P. For what reason?
Maybe B2P isn't as profitable as was hoped.
You don't think may NC (publisher of WildStar) maybe has some inside numbers on the whole B2P vs P2P vs F2P meta data? I do, at least I hope they have had some one in a green visor crunch some numbers concerning this.
Here's what I see in these threads all the time. People pretending to know what they are talking about.
They go and find some fact that represents a snapshot in time and then fabricate a whole argument around it intricately explaining why this fact is. And when you call them out on it, they revert back to the fact.
"subs are down by 9%" = Fact
"Becasue the business model is dying."= Fabricated bullshit.
I saw the same thing by B2P and GW2 haters in the recent NCSoft financials thread. They drew out all sorts of idiotic extrapolated conclusions based off that one figure. It goes both ways. The amount of mental gymnastics that goes on here could win Olympic gold for the next 50 years.
I am familiar with that thread and yes, they did. But, it was also both sides doing it. There were also some level heads too, who only wanted to deal with facts. And in that situation, people don't have much to say do they? It gets hard to embellish facts when you pile so much crap on them. When other people dig right form them to pull them out.
Originally posted by Briansho Should be more like 2013 is P2P. Companies are in business for one reason. To make money. They are going to make the customers happy who pay them the most money.
Why do they even try or bother with P2P, why not make it B2P at release. Most likely all of the new mmorpgs that are P2P will go over to B2P or F2P in a few months. No one wants to pay monthly for a game, there's a few who would but those are a minority and the majority wins every time and still developers want P2P. For what reason?
Speak for yourself. I can't stand B2P or F2P. I might just play it BECAUSE the P2P will scare off a lot of bottom feeders. There will still be bottom feeders in game but ow here near as many.
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Except the fact that more than half of all WoW subs are in Asia and near 40% of Nexons income is coming in from the west...doh!
When you use the worst of the bunch for your examples, your examples are bad.
Western companies don't do F2P, they do FREEMIUM. That is why they fail.
Many eastern companies that bring F2P to the west go with higher cash shop prices thinking it will work because the west is wealthy. that is why they fail.
Those that don't follow that, do very well and the influx of a ton of money is vastly increasing the quality of eastern made games and THEY are looking to the future. The top 4 Korean game makers now have offices in America and Europe with one thing in mind, making their games with some western designs to make MMOs for the world, not just one region and we are seeing it in upcoming games like Black Desert, Ein and others. While they are doing that, what are western MMO makers doing?
More of the same expecting different results. And they will keep doing it as long as the quick cash grab model can get them a quick profit. Long term means nothing.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
I agree
Lineage 1 makes alone $25-30 million USD a month
Lineage 2, Aion and B&S make together another $25-30 million USD a month
They work very well in east, but don't work in west.
The opposite is true too, western MMOs fail hard in east, WoW was the only exception so far.
Until you factor in that FFXI and FFXIV are eastern games that have done great in the west...yeah, sorry but Japan is an Eastern nation. Or how about that Runes of Magic is massive in Europe...Ragnarok Online was also cross region massive. Hell even Atlantica Online is making NDoors around 90 million a year in the west, not near what it gets in the east but still places it around what 500k subscribers would be.
Or that Guild Wars was very successful in Korea, a western game.
Western games have a serious issue being big in the East due to the fact that most companies make their games heavily designed for one region which when you think about it, should never happen for an MMO, a game that should be made for a world wide audience.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Im having a hard time understanding your point because some F2P games are successful there should never again be a P2P game. am I following you correctly?
Here's what I see in these threads all the time. People pretending to know what they are talking about.
They go and find some fact that represents a snapshot in time and then fabricate a whole argument around it intricately explaining why this fact is. And when you call them out on it, they revert back to the fact.
"subs are down by 9%" = Fact
"Becasue the business model is dying."= Fabricated bullshit.
You don't think may NC (publisher of WildStar) maybe has some inside numbers on the whole B2P vs P2P vs F2P meta data? I do, at least I hope they have had some one in a green visor crunch some numbers concerning this.
I am familiar with that thread and yes, they did. But, it was also both sides doing it. There were also some level heads too, who only wanted to deal with facts. And in that situation, people don't have much to say do they? It gets hard to embellish facts when you pile so much crap on them. When other people dig right form them to pull them out.
That would be the whales.
Speak for yourself. I can't stand B2P or F2P. I might just play it BECAUSE the P2P will scare off a lot of bottom feeders. There will still be bottom feeders in game but ow here near as many.