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So I'm 50. Gear treadmill, no thanks.
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Gear acquistion starts from lvl 1 in MMOS...agreed.
I am talking about the gentleman who suggests that you should stop playign MMOS if you hate gear grind. You put a very clever spin on the situation but you know that what i am referring to is the classic WOW hamster wheel gear grind at end game. And no that is not the only way to acquire gear and no that is not the only end game in every MMORPG.
To say 'please stop playing MMO because you hate gear grind' is just wrong. Knowing very well that OP is talking about the FFXIV end game gear grind.
Acquiring gear for your character is a far cry from grinding for gear as is done in a traditional theme park MMORPG. You'd have to play some of the games such as I mentioned above to understand the difference.
I will give you one example. Currently playing on a freeshard of DAOC, and got my character to level 50, and put on him an effective, but affordable template. Haven't changed his gear in over 2 months of heavy end game play, and likely won't ever have to.
Sure, I can spend tons of game gold to tweak his template to the point of perfection, but there really is no need to so I probably won't bother. I'll only likely replace some of them with better when they start to wear out. (which happens in DAOC, gear loses durability to the point of being useless)
So yes, gear is part of the game, but no one really thinks of it as a gear grind.
Now realm points and gold, those are what we grind on in DAOC, but not necessarily because we need better gear. (in fact, most of that extra cash is needed for housing, respecs of your character's class and realm abilities and what not, but not really gear)
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Just like GW2 doesn't need to suit your needs? A lot of us like it just as it is.
At least it's safe and indoor work; if you plan to be an Online Prophet of Doom, embrace the defeatism whole hawg.
The offering plate doesn't cover the cost of all those new games you have to keep buying, though.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
This is about where your post lost all credibility. I don't even think it needs an explanation.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
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Implying all the other games that went free to play were not good games? Good has nothing to do with it.
They won't make FF14 go F2P ever at all. Final Fantasy 11 is still going strong with a subscription so the chances of this one going F2P are slim to next to none.
Rift was a decent game. And guess what? If did decently.(Until Storm Legion) SWTOR was a bad game and guess what? It did badly. This game is better than Rift. I'll leave it at that.
It was worth the $29 I payed in the store. I played to 50, and had fun. But really it is just a shallow MMO. And crafting? Common on, whos life is boring enough for them to sit there and become a level 50 miner? For what? To what end?
$29 for a couple weeks of play, tis the norm with MMOs these days. This one actually was at least priced right. I had a hankering to play a BARD so I tried it. I didn't like it. It is no bard either I might add, its just a crappy archer with a few songs that really don't do a dam thing.
Also all you guys that say I am "bitching" are misreading it. I am simply stating facts, facts tend to come across as bitching when you want to deny the facts.
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I'm curious what you were expecting when you hit 50. Did you think there was going to be some kind of new end game activities you haven't seen before? I'm also pretty sure you could have found out what type of end game would be waiting for you before you even bought the game.
FFXI was a unique game and still got population in 2013. Sorry but FFXIV is just an another WoW clone with worse combat and there is no pvp at the moment. So...
Have you even played FFXIV? It's not a WoW clone and it has better combat than WoW and FFXI combined. It's faster paced, smoother and has more dynamic elements to it. The PvP in FFXI sucks and is rarely played by the majority anyway.
All games have grind however there is an important aspect you and many people in this thread are missing.
There are treadmill games and non treadmill games. There is grind in both however there is a specific difference.
In treadmill games, you grind gear so you can grind for more gear. There is no other endgame, if you aren't grinding for gear, there is nothing else to do.
These types of games suck.
In non treadmill games there is still grind however the grind is used to supplement a greater goal of the game. Probably the best specific example are territory control games, some are better than others but just to list some examples off the top of my head. EVE, GW2, Planetside2, Perfect word
Yes there is grind, however you are grinding so you can get more powerful and help your alliance take territory and win a global war.
Another example on the more PvE side would be how about building your a guild town with your guild mates? Or maybe competing in PvP arena battles? There are plenty of endgame options that allow for replay value and give a purpose to the grind.
I have not played FFXIV so I don't know much about it but it seems as if the OP was stating that there is nothing to do other than dungeon grind for gear.
If you were stating that the only thing to do endgame in mmo's is grind then you are wrong. (And thank god you don't create games
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The same kind of person that thinks someone who rushed to 50 and then said there's nothing left to do is boring.
Currently playing SWTOR and it's MUCH better than it was at launch.
Took you 50 levels realize this game is a theme park and consist in gear grind progression?
PvP has never been a serious feature in FF games. You should have known that. It's all about the story, sorry if you didn't like it but plenty of people enjoy it and think is fantastic.
Next content patch in November will add some pvp, housing, raiding and yes, more hard dungeons to grind.
It looks like you should go play a sand box or maybe MMORPG's are not your thing anymore.
Anyone thinking or desiring this game going F2P is being delusional not only because FFXI reference but because Yoshi has been very clear about it.