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The misconception of a good mmo...who is voting for this stuff ?
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Are we being forced into what we have now ?
Are you liking it ?
Do we even have a vote ?
MMO are evolving away from the old school style of sandbox, open world, somewhat social dependent games to more of the theme park small zone carrot on a stick, moving from one quest to another along wth non social dynamic events style of gaming.
Lately MMOs are lasting us thirty days, maybe sixty for die-hards. But for the most part were all jumping around from game to game lookng for that old feeling or at least something we can call home for awhile....But can you really find one ?
Post after post many players here at mmorpg.com are defending their game to the end countering any negativity. Over and over again for the past few years mmo post start with more positives than negative, but slowly they get less and less until the next release comes along.
Now, to this point most would agree, some maybe not.
Now here is what many are not aware of :
People seem to think MMO PLAYERS, AND THE NEWER GENERATION OF PLAYERS ARE ASKING FOR THIS. 30 DAY THEME PARK !......Fast jump in jump out casual mmos for the on the go working men and women and collage kids that have to devote time to studying......Easy mmos with everything handed to them for the seven year olds that can play with dad.
People also ASSUME this is popular because they sell.....Well, sure they sell........Because of three reasons :
1) Marketing, and developer hype. They seem to be getting better with cinematic and Youtubes ( Warhammer started this ) Just watch the latest Wildstar videos !.....Try and find real actual game play footage, its hard to do with up coming releases...your watching a video for Christ sake !
2) Nothing else to play. With everything being thirty days, that leaves the obsessive player starving ( I'm one of them ).
3) Relying on past franchise or favorites of movies. Good examples of this are Starwars The Old Republic, and Final Fantasy 14. Now lets be real they were let downs and you know it. There carrot on a stick short thirty day games not mmos. Soon will be getting Elders Scrolls Online. That one smells of a short theme park, small instances zone, mega server thirty day game before its even released. YET, I'LL PROBABLY BE PLAYING IT TOO !
People are NOT voting with there wallets !!!!......Our obsessiveness leaves us with no choice. That and we are fooled by marketing. Marketing is now better than the games them selfs. People will disagree with me but the " Big Money " is made up front, developers know that...They don't care about us that are trying to call some place home. Contrary to popular belief they don't care about retention !
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I haven't had any trouble finding games that I'd stick with for quite a while. In the last 28 months, I've probably only played three games much (Spiral Knights, Uncharted Waters Online, and Guild Wars 2), but I've played each of them quite a lot. If you can't find any games you like, then maybe the problem is you.
like everything else in life - vote w your wallet
i never pay for a game unless i have interest in it
-or- a friend is playing the game and i can tolerate the game
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Seems like there's a problem with lots of gamers.
Or maybe that's faulty reasoning. Like telling people leaving a really bad movie that they have issues.
Once upon a time....
Except they aren't leaving a single really bad movie. They are saying every movie is a bad movie.
maybe movies aren't for these people?
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
What people are really assuming is that the voice you see on a forum represents the majority of gamers. That because you see all these threads started by a few hundred/thousand people that this is what all gamers must think.
With a population of 40+ million gamers, does a few thousand unhappy gamers really imply all this doom and gloom for the industry ?
If games really only last us 60 days how are all these mmos going years later ?
Every political loss ever, someone's convinced their team would have done the job better.
So you seek out like-minded individuals to say "me too", until the next election.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Speaking of faulty logic.
More like telling people that they shouldn't enjoy a summer blockbuster because it's "bad", and instead should only enjoy small indie or foreign films that the recommender thinks is "good".
The problem is that a lot of the disgruntled few have deluded themselves into thinking they can speak for the masses, and are the arbiters of quality. They don't, and they aren't.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
The masses are speaking. Each for themselves. And they are not spending money on MMOs, with the exception of Whales.
Seems there are lots of issues going around. Many, many have an issue with paying for these games, and then there are some who have issues with that fact.
Once upon a time....
Who is voting for it? The millions of players that buy every new game, make accounts for every new F2P title, and swarm gamesites for beta invites, some maybe hoping to change the MMO into something they actually want to play.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
You know the way I see it these days, I don't really care much. If there's dipsticks who want to keep things the same in light of what's happening to the MMO scene, it doesn't really matter to me in the grand scheme of things. Failures are speaking far louder than anything else.
And yes, going FTP is failure, and closing mucho servers is failure. The games may stay afloat, but they ain't sailin' anywhere.
Once upon a time....
Failure............In whos eyes ?
Developers did not fail, they made their money up front and are happy !!
Well i am not spending money anymore unless i see a game that warrants it,so yes we have a vote.I find it even worse when people are willing to hand over money for free to wannabe developers,i guess some people have no concept of money value or have money to burn.
If a dev has so much confidence in his or her product then prove it,take out a huge loan,find investors,prove it to them,your not getting free money from me.
These games all have the appearance of assembly line development ,i have been really disappointed over the last several years.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
1) Of course not. I can always choose not to play.
2) Yes. Today's MMOs are much better games with no commitment requirement, and often don't depends on others to have fun.
3) Of course. You can always vote with your wallet and your feet.
One point I was trying to make in my post is to squash this on going statement that seems to be popular here :
" You can vote with your wallet ".
NO, THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN !
Most of us are obsessed with mmos and video games, WE WILL ALL PLAY EVERYTHING THAT COMES OUT. Come on you know it, I know it, and developers know it.
Another point I was trying to make is that developers may very well not care if you stay subbed or not... I think the big money is made up front !............this is why we get 30 days games.
That's probably true for many gamers but not everyone.
Sometimes the problem is you not letting yourself enjoy the game.
Watching a leaf falling from a tree and feeling the cool autumn breeze on your skin can be an enjoyable experience.
But only if you let it be.
I did. I didn't pay for one 30 day digital box cost game this year. I learned last year. I've paid 70$ on Wushu. November to March 30th cost me 9$.
It makes me sick seeing millions of ad dollars, and millions of consumer dollars being spent on these big budget scams.
Add in those buying founders/VIP/collectors/preorder editions of the game before they are even out.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
I don't personally want a social leech anywhere near me in my online gaming. I view F2P'ers as stocking stuffers and party fillers. If a game has a F2P option I consider you to be a F2Per. If you eventually say you are a subber, then I begin to respect you.
If you lie to me and say your a subber when you're not...that's understandable and I'd still respect you afterwards.
Discuss. Reason. Society.
Become a Dragon. Take your world back.
There are some people here who have alt accounts for exactly that purpose. It's a sign of thetimes, bcbully. Some people are just very deceitful. *shrug*
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Which means what? That the movies are bad is what it means because if they were good...movies would be for them!
Jebus man, get over consumer whorism...a persons opinion is valid even if it goes against yours and they have a right to voice it just as you do.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
I've often wondered what was up with the deleted user when you see some old thread bumped. Why is it deleted though ?
A meek person realized the power they had in reporting most likely.
Discuss. Reason. Society.
Become a Dragon. Take your world back.
Wait...
We're supposed to take you seriously after you flat out admit that you're so weak willed that you can't help but play games in a genre you (and half the people on this site) obviously don't even care for?
Are... are you trying to set yourself up as some kind of victim here?