It's basically a broker fee... Your using their tools at least in Landmark and their marketing platform, I mean what do you expect?
What you are not taking into account is the fact that you can gain royalties anytime your product is used...
Say you design a window, sell it on the market.... someone uses them in their tower, then someone uses those towers for their castle... Your getting royalties for your window everytime it changes hands... now we may be talking pennies here but it is this element of passive income that is the plus side to the equation.
40% if far more than what some of those cam sites offer you for shakin your booty on the net...
I am happy for you and all the power to you if you are content with getting 40%. It's your time and creations so you can do whatever you want with them and only you can decide what is acceptable to you. For me 40% does not sound acceptable.
Does it matter if you don't find it acceptable?
I am a firm believer that your or anyone else's opinion matters just as much as mine does. I am sure you would agree. So let me ask you this:
(rhetorical) Does it matter if you find it acceptable?
Originally posted by Tierless
60% for doing nothing...do you also pay a monthly? If you do I hope you take that out of your cut.
It's announced to be free to play at this point in time.
Originally posted by Wighty
It's basically a broker fee... Your using their tools at least in Landmark and their marketing platform, I mean what do you expect?
I don't think you sell the stuff you make in Landmark because everyone can simple re-create it in Landmark themselves (steal your design). It would not make much sense to show these things on the market. This is about real new assets as far as i understand it.
What you are not taking into account is the fact that you can gain royalties anytime your product is used...
Not sure what this has to do with anything in this regard. If you mean royalties for their Landmark thing then i have to read the ToU/UA first but i am pretty sure that a free to play game does not contain a royalty clause.
Say you design a window, sell it on the market.... someone uses them in their tower, then someone uses those towers for their castle... Your getting royalties for your window everytime it changes hands... now we may be talking pennies here but it is this element of passive income that is the plus side to the equation.
I know how royalties work, still has nothing to do with what is being discussed here.
40% if far more than what some of those cam sites offer you for shakin your booty on the net...
You know an awful lot about that. (sorry could not resist)
Nothing is ever fair in business I'm afraid. Look around and witness the amount of people who spend 40 - 50 hours a week working their ass off to make some well dressed CEO money. If you expect to get fair compensation for anything you do in life, then your view of life must be slightly skewed.
In my opinion though, the 60/40 split is perfectly fine to me. At the end of the day, I fully understand that SOE are there to make money too and because they are the guys actually giving us this option, they hold the rights to the majority of the money in my eyes. In fact, Id actually go about to say that this opportunity is far more valuable to us than it is to them. Most likely, the people making the assets to go within the games are aspiring games artists, and having that chance to be able to go to a potential employer and say "I made quite a few items for the triple-A title, "Insert game here". They were amazingly popular with players and actually made quite a bit of money". That is a lot more valuable than what you will probably give it credit for.
At the end of the day though, we wouldn't even have this chance if it wasn't for SOE. It is their game, their vision, they may not have given us the tools to physically make the items, but they certainly gave us a reason to make them. Quite simply, they can take however much they want, they are the guys with all the authority here, fair or not.
"If a player-created item is selected for inclusion in the SOE Marketplace, SOE will share 40% of the net amount it receives from the sale of the item with the player that created the item."
Additionally, following is a list of useful third party art tools for helping to create in-game items:
UPDATE:It's currently only for US citizens and you need to fill out forms sent to you by their finance department incl. some tax return papers and other things.
Without People creating content SOE would sell NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH on their Players Market.
No SOE tools are involved in creating content, you need 3DSMax, Maya, Phtosohop and similar to create content.
I am not interested in creating content, i don't want to create my own game and i am just reporting this and wondering how this is fair.
Does not sound like a good deal to me. What do you think?
Sounds good to me, I've got ideas already so wouldn't mind seeing them in the game. Getting paid for easy work, even better.
Originally posted by ropenice I feel for the OP. He posted an opinion and concern about the % SOE gives to players creating money for SOE without saying anything inflamitory and he gets torn a new one. And most people ignored the facts him and a few others laid out or they didn't read all the posts that knocked down the arguments of his dissenters. He didn't say anything insulting and the fanboys attacked. All he did was give an opinion that the creator should get a higher %. Poor guy probably will never post here again.
Oh come on, he wasn't torn a new one.
He posted his opinion and people disagreed.
I still say that it's their game supporting these assets, they created a game that allows the creations of other players to be used "in their game".
You don't think that takes any effort on Sony's part?
Let alone if they actually have to do anything to these items to make them fully compatible on their end..
And as someone else posted, there is a review process. that means that they have to actually pay someone to sit down and go through these submissions. So that is part of their cost structure right there.
No one called him names or insulted him they disagreed. I think that should be ok on a forum.
As someone who makes mods I can tell you that if I got 40% off of an Oblvion or Skyrim Mod I think I would be pretty tickled. I could argue that it was me making all the stuff and I should get more and Bethesda might say "well, in that case let's just leave it and not have any of us make anything.
Additionally, regardless of taking x amount of dollars, how much of that money do they get to keep?
I'm sure there are all sorts of taxes and fees in creating such a program.
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LOL. I can't believe someone is getting upset over this.
First off:
If you're seeking to play this game solely for the money. You're doing it wrong. Get a job. They didn't make this game to help boost the economy or to provide jobs to people. They made it for consumers and their company. The fact that they're actually giving you 40% for something you VOLUNTARILY decided to do is beyond me, but not as beyond me as to see a person complain about it. Are you kidding me? Nobody is forcing you to do this and you're not working around the clock, as they do keeping their system in check, making sure everything is functional. Giving you a simple, easy way to start building.
Can you even begin to think how much work goes behind a simple block you place on your house? They've done 20x as much work as you do on a single plank of wood than you do placing these ingeniously designed voxel objects on a certain area and calling it a masterpiece. Yeah, real good job, Bob.
Jesus Christ. Next thing I'll see is a guy demanding 80% of his money back on a hot dog. Because he added the mustard manually.
Originally posted by Tissmogi You are doing 100% of the work creating content, you get 40% of the sales.SOE does 0% of the work and gets 60% of the sales.Are you really saying this is fair?ANY other real money auction house where you sell to other players has a tax of around 10-15% not 60% SIXTY!
you think you are getting 100% of the profit from that burger patty you serve after dropping it on the floor?
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Nothing is ever fair in business I'm afraid. Look around and witness the amount of people who spend 40 - 50 hours a week working their ass off to make some well dressed CEO money. If you expect to get fair compensation for anything you do in life, then your view of life must be slightly skewed.
Yes and it is wrong, however this is a weak argument if one at all. You know that it is wrong and you defend it, that does not make sense at all to me, it's the ramblings of a schizophrenic at best (no offense most people making these arguments know they are silly but still make them out of habbit).
In my opinion though, the 60/40 split is perfectly fine to me. At the end of the day, I fully understand that SOE are there to make money too and because they are the guys actually giving us this option, they hold the rights to the majority of the money in my eyes. In fact, Id actually go about to say that this opportunity is far more valuable to us than it is to them. Most likely, the people making the assets to go within the games are aspiring games artists, and having that chance to be able to go to a potential employer and say "I made quite a few items for the triple-A title, "Insert game here". They were amazingly popular with players and actually made quite a bit of money". That is a lot more valuable than what you will probably give it credit for.
You are wrong there, i admire all the modders and artists that made all these nice additions and sometimes even got a game made or a job offered from the game creators. It's great and i respect them as much a i can respect that you are fine with 40%. It's not for me to tell you how to sell your creations.
At the end of the day though, we wouldn't even have this chance if it wasn't for SOE. It is their game, their vision, they may not have given us the tools to physically make the items, but they certainly gave us a reason to make them. Quite simply, they can take however much they want, they are the guys with all the authority here, fair or not.
This is where you are wrong. The actual people with the authority here are you and the other modders that will create the content for them (SOE) to sell and promote their game, make it better and get more players to play it. You are confusing who is really in charge here and i get it, it's hard to shake generations of indoctrination and brain washing. It's easier to accept it as it is then fight for it or voice an upopular opinion.
Best example is this thread of me being slapped left and right for questioning the mighty SOE on taking most of the profits.
It's a common mistake that has been firmly implanted into most human beings from early on in their life, to see their ruler, master or authority figure as the one making sacrifices to give them a few breadcrumbs while they (the masters) dine on meat and wine.
So let me get this straight, you didn't make the game or programmed a single line of it, didn't sit in the decision making process, or sank any of YOUR money into it....but making something in your spare time and getting a decent cut is not enough for you??
I am not making anything in my spare time, if you could read you would have found the part in my OP where i state that i am not interested in modding or making content for this game
How you going to make it in the real world when you move out of mom and dad's place?
Interesting to hear about your living conditions but its not relevant to the discussion.
Originally posted by azmundai
you think you are getting 100% of the profit from that burger patty you serve after dropping it on the floor?
I know nothing about making burger patties but you seem to know an awful lot about it. In any case it is not relevant to the discussion here so please refrain from posting any more nonsense like this.
Originally posted by Golelorn
Umm, are you sure they do no work? Where'd the platform come from? Who does the advertising? Who'd be SOL if SOE shut down their "game"?
What would they sell if modders will not make any new Assets. . . . . /crickets
You're just another person who thinks a free meal is their god given right.
Another one that did not read my op where i made it quite clear that i am not interested in moding or making content for this game no matter how much they would pay me for it. I am simply not interested.
To all 3 of you:I asked for your opinion on the 40/60 share which i think is a bit much in favour for SOE. If you disagree you could say so and make an argument for it but it seems you rather insult and ramble while simply ignoring what is written in the OP.
I am a firm believer that your or anyone else's opinion matters just as much as mine does. I am sure you would agree. So let me ask you this:
(rhetorical) Does it matter if you find it acceptable?
Yes because I am an actual modder...the people they are targeting. They want people who love doing this, something you clearly do not. Hell, its because of those of us that built the modding community into the juggernaut that it is today that companies are doing things like this.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Sounds good to me, I've got ideas already so wouldn't mind seeing them in the game. Getting paid for easy work, even better.
Sir, i bow to you, this is the kind of responses i was expecting. Mature, to the point and friendly. Modders that discuss and share what they think about this oportunity. Sadly you are the only one in this now 8 pages long thread.
So let me get this straight, you didn't make the game or programmed a single line of it, didn't sit in the decision making process, or sank any of YOUR money into it....but making something in your spare time and getting a decent cut is not enough for you??
I am not making anything in my spare time, if you could read you would have found the part in my OP where i state that i am not interested in modding or making content for this game
How you going to make it in the real world when you move out of mom and dad's place?
Interesting to hear about your living conditions but its not relevant to the discussion.
Originally posted by azmundai
you think you are getting 100% of the profit from that burger patty you serve after dropping it on the floor?
I know nothing about making burger patties but you seem to know an awful lot about it. In any case it is not relevant to the discussion here so please refrain from posting any more nonsense like this.
Originally posted by Golelorn
Umm, are you sure they do no work? Where'd the platform come from? Who does the advertising? Who'd be SOL if SOE shut down their "game"?
What would they sell if modders will not make any new Assets. . . . . /crickets
You're just another person who thinks a free meal is their god given right.
Another one that did not read my op where i made it quite clear that i am not interested in moding or making content for this game no matter how much they would pay me for it. I am simply not interested.
To all 3 of you:I asked for your opinion on the 40/60 share which i think is a bit much in favour for SOE. If you disagree you could say so and make an argument for it but it seems you rather insult and ramble while simply ignoring what is written in the OP.
If none of this matters to you..then why do you keep posting? As it is..yes you are coming off as an entitled brat.
You neglect to or probably refuse to understand that you are voluntarily making a "virtual product" for someone else's property...(and that's a maybe, it still has to be ok'ed, right? ) And I bet there are all kinds of stipulations that they have to agree to do that in the first place.
When people are saying "using their tools" they actually mean the game assets. You know..the game itself.
And as for actually having these programs that cost hundreds of dollars to actually do this, my guess would be that they are ALREADY doing something with them in the first place and not rushing out to buy said programs just for this game.So yes..if they do play this game, and do decide to do them on their on free will,then yes it probably is a good deal to them. As a poster already stated to your question, I think he is rather ok with the idea of getting paid to mod something as he has already been doing that.
And looking at all the post, most people disagree with you anyways, just seems like you are looking for a sympathetic ear.
Oh and by the way..my house is bought and paid for. No mortgage either ...so yeah life is good right now.
I am a firm believer that your or anyone else's opinion matters just as much as mine does. I am sure you would agree. So let me ask you this:
(rhetorical) Does it matter if you find it acceptable?
Yes because I am an actual modder...the people they are targeting. They want people who love doing this, something you clearly do not. Hell, its because of those of us that built the modding community into the juggernaut that it is today that companies are doing things like this.
Ignoring that it was a rhetorical question, i still think you are selling yourself short here. I think you deserver more than 40%. Again, if you say it's fine then it's fine.
I am looking forward to the content that is going to be created, mostly because of selfish reasons since i am a 40 year old lazy sob with too much money for it's own good and i appreciate i can buy all this stuff on the Market. It'll make me enjoy the game that much longer.
I 100% agree that the modding community is one of the few that really has influenced the gaming industry over the years, forcing them to be more open.
Exercise your free will OP. From what you said it appears this particular business proposition isn't to your liking. You aren't being compelled to engage in this transaction. Your non-participation will not be detrimental for you.
As for me I plan to make an attempt at creating items for sale.
Uh, my comment wasn't entitled to you personally (Tissmogi)... Read a tad better and calling someone a madman over the internet is not a suggested option to get your point across.
Man up. Be the bigger man in these discussions and refrain from calling someone off and throwing insults at them.
Itunes is probably the one that popularised it which i believe is 70/30 which is fair because they are primarily just hosts and distributors.
I am currently putting up shirt designs on Redbubble which is probably more weighted in the other direction since they are handling manufacturing, hosting and distribution.
Also all the admin fees etc.
If you are an aspiring artist then these types of things can go a long way to opening people to your work and whats the harm in turning over some coin at the same time. It can easily be regarding as an opportunity if you look at it from the right point of view.
40% is not only an acceptable return for the design work, but unprecedented for a big name game as far as I know. Perhaps it's not in line with other freelance work in very different industries with entirely different models of contractual service exchange, but consider the medium. They are making a game that thousands of people will buy. Maybe millions. They are letting you sell content to millions of prospective customers that are already present because of the development and money they already put into the game. They are putting this content right in front of millions of people. It is free to access this medium month after month after the initial purchase. To me, 40% seems like a very smart plan for them and for interested modders (especially the good ones.)
So they tell people upfront they will get 40% of the profit of player created items on the market?
If so.. arent they offering a deal you can chose to accept OR decline? I think thats a fair deal, they are offering an actual compensation for the thing so many have been asking for in the first place, namely the actual abbility to contribute to a game.
To me it sounds like the OP is angry about something that does not effect him and is angry about people given a choise to accept their deal.
Ignoring that it was a rhetorical question, i still think you are selling yourself short here. I think you deserver more than 40%. Again, if you say it's fine then it's fine.
PS: I am enjoying this suddenly mature and constructive discussion even if its just a few people.
My very first post at the top of page 3 was constructive...in fact there have been more than a few...and you ignored them all.
As I stated before, I have been doing this since Decal with Asherons Call 1, 12 years ago. We have never been paid before by the company of the games we mod. 40% is far more than any modder would have expected from this type of setup...I just don't think you like the fact that you not only came off as sounding entitled but also that you never modded before in your life and had no actual reason to complain at all.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Originally posted by PerfArt To me, 40% seems like a very smart plan for them and for interested modders (especially the good ones.)
Not only that but it's not unprecedented in the arts for the performer to even work for free for a blurb to put on his/her resume.
I could use that whole art gallery agent thing where not only does an agent take a commission but an art gallery could feasibly take up to 50% of the asking price for a work.
Now, having said that, the gallery does have to deal with security, insurance, advertising, etc.
I did some acting in a "semi professional" theater because a girlfriend at the time wanted to get her feet wet again in the acting scene and wanted me to join her.
The owners of the theater were the only people who made money besides the musicians. The actors made nothing BUT did use the theater work as a resume builder which helped some of them get other work.
I know young opera singers who work for peanuts just to get out themselves out there not to mention actors.
Go ask some New York young actor if he/she is getting paid for their current acting gig and we'd all be surprised to find out that many do not.
It's all resume stuff.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
Originally posted by Dauntis Hmm... I wonder how much an art asset designer makes working for a game company. I bet it is a whole lot less than 40% of the sales per item.
Originally posted by PerfArt To me, 40% seems like a very smart plan for them and for interested modders (especially the good ones.)
Not only that but it's not unprecedented in the arts for the performer to even work for free for a blurb to put on his/her resume.
I could use that whole art gallery agent thing where not only does an agent take a commission but an art gallery could feasibly take up to 50% of the asking price for a work.
Now, having said that, the gallery does have to deal with security, insurance, advertising, etc.
I did some acting in a "semi professional" theater because a girlfriend at the time wanted to get her feet wet again in the acting scene and wanted me to join her.
The owners of the theater were the only people who made money besides the musicians. The actors made nothing BUT did use the theater work as a resume builder which helped some of them get other work.
I know young opera singers who work for peanuts just to get out themselves out there not to mention actors.
Go ask some New York young actor if he/she is getting paid for their current acting gig and we'd all be surprised to find out that many do not.
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It's basically a broker fee... Your using their tools at least in Landmark and their marketing platform, I mean what do you expect?
What you are not taking into account is the fact that you can gain royalties anytime your product is used...
Say you design a window, sell it on the market.... someone uses them in their tower, then someone uses those towers for their castle... Your getting royalties for your window everytime it changes hands... now we may be talking pennies here but it is this element of passive income that is the plus side to the equation.
40% if far more than what some of those cam sites offer you for shakin your booty on the net...
What are your other Hobbies?
Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...
Originally posted by Tierless
Nothing is ever fair in business I'm afraid. Look around and witness the amount of people who spend 40 - 50 hours a week working their ass off to make some well dressed CEO money. If you expect to get fair compensation for anything you do in life, then your view of life must be slightly skewed.
In my opinion though, the 60/40 split is perfectly fine to me. At the end of the day, I fully understand that SOE are there to make money too and because they are the guys actually giving us this option, they hold the rights to the majority of the money in my eyes. In fact, Id actually go about to say that this opportunity is far more valuable to us than it is to them. Most likely, the people making the assets to go within the games are aspiring games artists, and having that chance to be able to go to a potential employer and say "I made quite a few items for the triple-A title, "Insert game here". They were amazingly popular with players and actually made quite a bit of money". That is a lot more valuable than what you will probably give it credit for.
At the end of the day though, we wouldn't even have this chance if it wasn't for SOE. It is their game, their vision, they may not have given us the tools to physically make the items, but they certainly gave us a reason to make them. Quite simply, they can take however much they want, they are the guys with all the authority here, fair or not.
Sounds good to me, I've got ideas already so wouldn't mind seeing them in the game. Getting paid for easy work, even better.
Oh come on, he wasn't torn a new one.
He posted his opinion and people disagreed.
I still say that it's their game supporting these assets, they created a game that allows the creations of other players to be used "in their game".
You don't think that takes any effort on Sony's part?
Let alone if they actually have to do anything to these items to make them fully compatible on their end..
And as someone else posted, there is a review process. that means that they have to actually pay someone to sit down and go through these submissions. So that is part of their cost structure right there.
No one called him names or insulted him they disagreed. I think that should be ok on a forum.
As someone who makes mods I can tell you that if I got 40% off of an Oblvion or Skyrim Mod I think I would be pretty tickled. I could argue that it was me making all the stuff and I should get more and Bethesda might say "well, in that case let's just leave it and not have any of us make anything.
Additionally, regardless of taking x amount of dollars, how much of that money do they get to keep?
I'm sure there are all sorts of taxes and fees in creating such a program.Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
LOL. I can't believe someone is getting upset over this.
First off:
If you're seeking to play this game solely for the money. You're doing it wrong. Get a job. They didn't make this game to help boost the economy or to provide jobs to people. They made it for consumers and their company. The fact that they're actually giving you 40% for something you VOLUNTARILY decided to do is beyond me, but not as beyond me as to see a person complain about it. Are you kidding me? Nobody is forcing you to do this and you're not working around the clock, as they do keeping their system in check, making sure everything is functional. Giving you a simple, easy way to start building.
Can you even begin to think how much work goes behind a simple block you place on your house? They've done 20x as much work as you do on a single plank of wood than you do placing these ingeniously designed voxel objects on a certain area and calling it a masterpiece. Yeah, real good job, Bob.
Jesus Christ. Next thing I'll see is a guy demanding 80% of his money back on a hot dog. Because he added the mustard manually.
you think you are getting 100% of the profit from that burger patty you serve after dropping it on the floor?
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Umm, are you sure they do no work? Where'd the platform come from? Who does the advertising? Who'd be SOL if SOE shut down their "game"?
You're just another person who thinks a free meal is their god given right.
To all 3 of you: I asked for your opinion on the 40/60 share which i think is a bit much in favour for SOE. If you disagree you could say so and make an argument for it but it seems you rather insult and ramble while simply ignoring what is written in the OP.
Yes because I am an actual modder...the people they are targeting. They want people who love doing this, something you clearly do not. Hell, its because of those of us that built the modding community into the juggernaut that it is today that companies are doing things like this.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Sir, i bow to you, this is the kind of responses i was expecting. Mature, to the point and friendly. Modders that discuss and share what they think about this oportunity. Sadly you are the only one in this now 8 pages long thread.
If none of this matters to you..then why do you keep posting? As it is..yes you are coming off as an entitled brat.
You neglect to or probably refuse to understand that you are voluntarily making a "virtual product" for someone else's property...(and that's a maybe, it still has to be ok'ed, right? ) And I bet there are all kinds of stipulations that they have to agree to do that in the first place.
When people are saying "using their tools" they actually mean the game assets. You know..the game itself.
And as for actually having these programs that cost hundreds of dollars to actually do this, my guess would be that they are ALREADY doing something with them in the first place and not rushing out to buy said programs just for this game.So yes..if they do play this game, and do decide to do them on their on free will,then yes it probably is a good deal to them. As a poster already stated to your question, I think he is rather ok with the idea of getting paid to mod something as he has already been doing that.
And looking at all the post, most people disagree with you anyways, just seems like you are looking for a sympathetic ear.
Oh and by the way..my house is bought and paid for. No mortgage either ...so yeah life is good right now.
Ignoring that it was a rhetorical question, i still think you are selling yourself short here. I think you deserver more than 40%. Again, if you say it's fine then it's fine.
I am looking forward to the content that is going to be created, mostly because of selfish reasons since i am a 40 year old lazy sob with too much money for it's own good and i appreciate i can buy all this stuff on the Market. It'll make me enjoy the game that much longer.
I 100% agree that the modding community is one of the few that really has influenced the gaming industry over the years, forcing them to be more open.
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Exercise your free will OP. From what you said it appears this particular business proposition isn't to your liking. You aren't being compelled to engage in this transaction. Your non-participation will not be detrimental for you.
As for me I plan to make an attempt at creating items for sale.
Help support an artist and gamer who has lost his tools to create and play: http://www.gofundme.com/u63nzcgk
Uh, my comment wasn't entitled to you personally (Tissmogi)... Read a tad better and calling someone a madman over the internet is not a suggested option to get your point across.
Man up. Be the bigger man in these discussions and refrain from calling someone off and throwing insults at them.
My advice.
This is actually becoming more prominent online.
Itunes is probably the one that popularised it which i believe is 70/30 which is fair because they are primarily just hosts and distributors.
I am currently putting up shirt designs on Redbubble which is probably more weighted in the other direction since they are handling manufacturing, hosting and distribution.
Also all the admin fees etc.
If you are an aspiring artist then these types of things can go a long way to opening people to your work and whats the harm in turning over some coin at the same time. It can easily be regarding as an opportunity if you look at it from the right point of view.
http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/PerfArt
So they tell people upfront they will get 40% of the profit of player created items on the market?
If so.. arent they offering a deal you can chose to accept OR decline? I think thats a fair deal, they are offering an actual compensation for the thing so many have been asking for in the first place, namely the actual abbility to contribute to a game.
To me it sounds like the OP is angry about something that does not effect him and is angry about people given a choise to accept their deal.
My very first post at the top of page 3 was constructive...in fact there have been more than a few...and you ignored them all.
As I stated before, I have been doing this since Decal with Asherons Call 1, 12 years ago. We have never been paid before by the company of the games we mod. 40% is far more than any modder would have expected from this type of setup...I just don't think you like the fact that you not only came off as sounding entitled but also that you never modded before in your life and had no actual reason to complain at all.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Not only that but it's not unprecedented in the arts for the performer to even work for free for a blurb to put on his/her resume.
I could use that whole art gallery agent thing where not only does an agent take a commission but an art gallery could feasibly take up to 50% of the asking price for a work.
Now, having said that, the gallery does have to deal with security, insurance, advertising, etc.
I did some acting in a "semi professional" theater because a girlfriend at the time wanted to get her feet wet again in the acting scene and wanted me to join her.
The owners of the theater were the only people who made money besides the musicians. The actors made nothing BUT did use the theater work as a resume builder which helped some of them get other work.
I know young opera singers who work for peanuts just to get out themselves out there not to mention actors.
Go ask some New York young actor if he/she is getting paid for their current acting gig and we'd all be surprised to find out that many do not.
It's all resume stuff.
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Not only that but it's not unprecedented in the arts for the performer to even work for free for a blurb to put on his/her resume.
I could use that whole art gallery agent thing where not only does an agent take a commission but an art gallery could feasibly take up to 50% of the asking price for a work.
Now, having said that, the gallery does have to deal with security, insurance, advertising, etc.
I did some acting in a "semi professional" theater because a girlfriend at the time wanted to get her feet wet again in the acting scene and wanted me to join her.
The owners of the theater were the only people who made money besides the musicians. The actors made nothing BUT did use the theater work as a resume builder which helped some of them get other work.
I know young opera singers who work for peanuts just to get out themselves out there not to mention actors.
Go ask some New York young actor if he/she is getting paid for their current acting gig and we'd all be surprised to find out that many do not.
It's all resume stuff.
Good points all.http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/PerfArt