TESO and EQ:N - Where did the Hypetrain go?

Elikal

Seriously... I am somewhat surprised about the lack of hype. Yeah I know many say, Hype is bad. I never shared that perspective. On the contrary, a bit unrealistic hype is something I feel necessary for gaming, and it's absence never is a good sign. Yeah, maybe it's just me. But then, neither on this website nor any other nor in the huge mulit-game-guild I am in there ever was much discussion or excitement about either Elder Scrolls Online or Everquest Next.

If I relate it to the BIG, hot debates around SWTOR, this is very lukewarm. Yes there is something to like and something to dislike, but compared to other upcoming MMOs in the past, this feels like a whole lot have become quite neutral and disinterested in these two MMOs. At least it seems to me.

And I looking into myself feel like the same. Some stuff sounds good, some bad, but overall I lack the zeal and interest to follow this en detail as I used to.

 

So, what's your opinion on this?

fl0w

Maybe it's a tell that gamers does not trust a politicians promising speech as he's running for president?

Alright so my analogy wasn't the best but it holds some truth to it. At least to me, it seems they're promising WAY more then what I believe they can deliver. And whilst doing that, what they've shown me isn't impressive at all to me.

Disregarding that, I personally think their feature-list seems bloated - as if they've lost their identity. I'm kinda "meh" about that game so I don't engage in discussions about it.

So maybe you're right. Maybe this "lukewarm hype" you're referring to is a sign of disbelief or an unimpressed crowd.

Zajjar

Down the pipeline and down into the drain, when we realized we got pulled out of bed for no big reason, "but excentric salesmen knocking on ur door 5am,,

 

Eqnext u say??? whats that I only know of something called Landmark, wich is a disgrace to any real mmo high fantasy gamer.

Bunnyking

I'm still excited for EQN, but there's not much info out there aside from the stuff they revealed at their 'con'. Hype will go up when they start revealing more interesting stuff I think. 

 

As for ESO, well... I'm interested for sure, but several of their development choices have left me disappointed. So I'm not psyching myself up for this one, since I might not even be playing it.

Phry

Not sure how you guys are missing seeing all the Hype around EQN tbh, although admittedly things on the TESO front do seem to be a bit quieter, but some of it is probably due to a certain amount of 'derailment' of the hype trains, which is probably just as well, as they inevitably end up in a 'hype train wreck'

or maybe players are just wising up to the hype train and seeing them for what they are, which more often than not, is misleading, there is such a tendancy these days for those hyping a game to  'cherry pick' facts and figures in order to 'feed the hype' while glossing over anything that might create a negative image.

on the other hand, the PS4 and the Xbone are now out (or about to be!) so maybe these other topics are a bit too much 'last year'

Covet78

Hype dies down when the information flow slows to a crawl. It's like watching an epic series finally on tv with a mjor cliffhanger. And now you have to wait 4 months for the next episode to see what happens. At first you are all excited to find out what happens next, but after a week, you don't even think about it until closer to when the next season airs.

 

It's like that with game development. Hype will arise again when some substantial information is released. Considering that both landmark and EQ:N are not even in alpha at this point, I can easily understand why hype after the 1 1/2 hour video last summer has died down. 

 

Hype will be stirred again when we get to see more. Something substantial. It's been like this forever regarding all aspects of life regarding needs/wants.

 

Scot

Into a siding never to be seen again with any luck.

Elikal

One of the signs of lack of "interest" is the lack of new posts. When SWTOR was in development, the forums for these games had always many new threads and posts. Now, I come back after a week, and hardly ANY new threads are there. And just a few lackluster debates.

Feels kinda odd to me, like the games would be years away.

Kyleran

You can't discuss that which nothing new is being revealed, simple as this really.

Elikal

Originally posted by Kyleran
You can't discuss that which nothing new is being revealed, simple as this really.

Hm, then the question is, why do we hear nothing new? I mean ESO is not so far away, and EQN has told us VERY little, at least very little substantial.

Weird. Just weird.

Dibdabs

The longer the hype-train gets, the more cynical gamers get.  We've all been conned so many times.  Maybe the game companies finally realised less is more.

apocoluster

Originally posted by Elikal

One of the signs of lack of "interest" is the lack of new posts. When SWTOR was in development, the forums for these games had always many new threads and posts. Now, I come back after a week, and hardly ANY new threads are there. And just a few lackluster debates.

Feels kinda odd to me, like the games would be years away.

Should I start a bunch of random ESO posts to entertain you?

Kyleran

Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by Kyleran
You can't discuss that which nothing new is being revealed, simple as this really.

Hm, then the question is, why do we hear nothing new? I mean ESO is not so far away, and EQN has told us VERY little, at least very little substantial.

Weird. Just weird.

I dunno why, but it almost seems like ESO went back to the drawing board to rework some things based on feedback from their closed beta testing.  (a la WAR)

EQN has largely been overshadowed by EQL since it is on the very near horizon (Jan by some accounts) and pretty much all discussion of EQN (which is likely 2015 at best) has dropped way back.

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Shaigh

ESO fans abandoned this site long ago in favor of moderated fansites like tamriel foundry where you can discuss the game without having half the posts being about people that never had any interest about the game but still feel like its their duty to say how they feel about it.

monochrome19

Maybe people are so used to getting their hopes up they dont care anymore? They'll just wait and see instead of jumping to conclusions.

apocoluster

Originally posted by Shaigh
ESO fans abandoned this site long ago in favor of moderated fansites like tamriel foundry where you can discuss the game without having half the posts being about people that never had any interest about the game but still feel like its their duty to say how they feel about it.

That interaction is the foundation of these here sites

Juaks

SOE stated things like "There has never before been a game like this", and Smedley say things like : "You will be amazed"

If that is not hype I don't know what it is.

Also the game is far away from release. wait till they are 3 or so months about to release. It's gonna be madness.

Xthos

I don't get hyped for anything anymore.  With that said, I am in wait and see more for EQN/L, I am more excited to start with EQN, but EQL could actually become their best product, if they actually give all the tools to people to basically make it a mmo tool kit....Want a super themepark?  Make it....Hardcore permadeath mmo?  Make it....etc...   I thought they might try to license it out with their engine, but who knows exactly what limits they will put on it.  EQN is supposedly being made in parallel to EQL, and they said they had a lot of the previous artwork and such that is still useable, so not sure how much longer after EQL it will be, before EQN goes into alpha/beta (I would suspect they will do something similar to EQL with it).

 

TESO - Never was too excited about it.

 

 

Eluwien

EQN hype went cold the moment we were revealed yet another cartoon arts game with fluffy hugable lions and shit ton of instanced irrelevance. The game has nothing to do with EQ, its not Massive and it has bare minimum of RP, so basically its NMG, Next Multiplayer Game and I'd personally add "Generic" somewhere there. Judging by the more recent revelations of core game concentrating on non challenging action combat and what appears to be a lack of any sort of carrying story or greater purpose, I'd add "Arcade" there too. 

 

TESO hype slit its own wrists by greeding with 60 bucks for the box + 15e/month (+ cash shop). Even before that the hype got it by "everyone can be anything" rage that kicked out of the window any specialization or class purpose and  "everyone can go everywhere, but not see the opposing faction" that basically hit the realm pride and alt-rolling, or alternatively respect to RP and TES legacy to the nuts. Oh, and postponing the game for 6 months to be able to launch (aka stupify) it to consoles, 8 spells seriously?

 

 

I'm still going to play TESO, and atleast try EQN when its F2P, but I'm masochist like that ... 

donpopuki

We need new info to talk about. You can only make so many EQN graphics threads lol! That dead horse has been beaten, put away, draged out and beaten again several times.

Veriel

The last game I hyped was GW2. I have never spent as much money on a single game as I spent on GW2 even before its release.

For me, GW1 is still one of the best online games, if not be best itself.

However, GW2 was such a big disappointment in many aspects (from the screwed up PvP to the rude moves of ArenaNet) that I have no idea what will be the next time when I will be able to feel such a hype. 

I recently bought two different MMO mices to compare (G600 and Naga), but there is no MMO to play. 

Distaste

ESO just looks like the same old same old. They been showing nothing new or exciting and what they do reveal are bad mechanics(faction locked races). On top of all of that they tried to distance themselves from calling it a MMO, which just reeks of a game that will try to combine single player and MMO, of course we all know that this does not work out well for the overall state of the game. Single player stuff runs out and they leave, the MMO fans leave because the MMO framework is underdeveloped in order to shoehorn in the single player stuff. The result is a game that no one really wants.

 

EQN is still just a big question mark and just too far away to be riding the hype train. What we know looks really good, but the main mechanics will ultimately determine what the game turns into. Voxels and breaking stuff is cool but whether its fully sandbox or more themepark, weapons break or remain forever, how things get crafted, PvP, etc will determine the final hype. EQNL is what's close but with it being a minecraft-like game it isn't really going to hype the MMO crowd. SOE didn't do themselves any favors with the paid/kickstarter beta thing they just announced, why on earth would you charge for beta when the game will be f2p?

 

The MMO genre is just in a major lull since nothing "revolutionary" has been released in over a decade. Developers seem to realize that rehashing the same themepark design again and again isn't the best idea. GW2 started the push towards change, but ultimately fell due to poor game direction and development. EQN is the first massive technological change for MMO's, we just need to see what SOE will do with it.

Sk1ppeR

Originally posted by Distaste

ESO just looks like the same old same old. They been showing nothing new or exciting and what they do reveal are bad mechanics(faction locked races). On top of all of that they tried to distance themselves from calling it a MMO, which just reeks of a game that will try to combine single player and MMO, of course we all know that this does not work out well for the overall state of the game. Single player stuff runs out and they leave, the MMO fans leave because the MMO framework is underdeveloped in order to shoehorn in the single player stuff. The result is a game that no one really wants.

 

EQN is still just a big question mark and just too far away to be riding the hype train. What we know looks really good, but the main mechanics will ultimately determine what the game turns into. Voxels and breaking stuff is cool but whether its fully sandbox or more themepark, weapons break or remain forever, how things get crafted, PvP, etc will determine the final hype. EQNL is what's close but with it being a minecraft-like game it isn't really going to hype the MMO crowd. SOE didn't do themselves any favors with the paid/kickstarter beta thing they just announced, why on earth would you charge for beta when the game will be f2p?

 

The MMO genre is just in a major lull since nothing "revolutionary" has been released in over a decade. Developers seem to realize that rehashing the same themepark design again and again isn't the best idea. GW2 started the push towards change, but ultimately fell due to poor game direction and development. EQN is the first massive technological change for MMO's, we just need to see what SOE will do with it.

Gw2 fell? xD Riiight. Have you been online recently? The fact that you do not like action combat that requires player skill (unless you are a warrior) instead of 30+ button mashup, is your own fault. 

nerovipus32

Zenimax pretty much killed the hype for ESO with their lack of video footage. Nobody really knows what EQN/EQL is.

Tibernicuspa

Well EQN isn't out for another eon and we have no gameplay (and troubling dev posts, concerning no racial traits and fast travel).

 

With TESO...as far as I was aware no one here was really excited about it. It won't please themepark fans, it won't please DAoC fans and it won't please ES fans. It is a game that has shifted design direction so many times since it was announced, trying to capture some audience, it's clearly a soulless directionless game not worth paying attention to.

Anthur

Don't know about TESO as I am not following that game very closely. But for EQN/Landmark I assume the hype got killed for the following reasons:

- too early announcement. They even gave the impression of an release late this year or early next year. Now summer next year is more likely and that's only for landmark. Ok, you can (possibly) buy yourself into landmark alpha/beta earlier. Another de-hype factor.

- kicking their EQ/EQ2 veterans into the ***.. . EQ/EQ2 players in the first place are adventurers, not builders. Graphics and combat (as few as we have seen anyway) did the rest. So vets won't help SOE keeping the hype going.

- community panels which are just there to give the impression that they care for the community. But in reality they don't care and just pick those decisions they prefer. Which is ok for me, but please, drop those panels/round tables/polls/whatever. They are a joke.

- interviews which mostly contain no info at all. They are more like politican speeches. Only buzz words, no facts about game. SOE wants to keep the hype going with those but they have the opposite effect. At least on me.

I know I was hyped for EQN before any real info except the name was known. But today I don't really care much about EQN-L and the real EQN won't be released for a very long time anyway. From what I read on forums I get the impression that many EQ vets (not all of course) lost the interest in EQN too. No interest -> no hype.