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Am I the only person who loves this game. My PC broke a while back and now i just ordered a new one. I have just to wait another week or so and then i can resub and start playing again. I can't wait.
There is always so many negative comments about this game everywhere but it's sooo much better than Wow IMO. I played Wow for 6 years and then just got tired it and started playing Swtor. I have all classes doing end game content and IMO the endgame is better than any other |MMO, the rewards are better and look better, the character creation is so much better than most MMO's, the events and content updates are better and more frequent than most other MMO's and the story lines were awesome. The idea of having companions was a stroke of genius aswell.
A few months ago I resubbed for a month back at Wow, I played for a few hours and then didn't play again, after Swtors graphics I just couldn't go back to Wows old dated and cartoony graphics. IMO that game is now so old people are just not prepared to play a game that is so dated anymore, I mean the character creation of Wow is just horrible lol
come back, when you have played swtor for 6 years, with a sub
that should put Things into perspective
the character creator is a Little below standard, and on par with wows
the companions is one of the games biggest advantages, thumbs up on that one
wow is getting old, yes, its a miracle , that theyre still going so strong
2. yes, it does , TO THE CASUAL PLAYER, which is their main segment
and their main source of income
3. it does..5 months, or would you argue with REAL $ numbers? theyre on wows side..again
4. wow was never F2P, maybe theyre not counting free trial accounts?
5. ill just leave that, Theres many smaller games now, maybe youre right
6.that is the only way , to find the most popular STAR WARS game..many players buying it, and playing it
if you look at raw numbers , yes , SWG was even lesser popular, than swtor
but Theres so many other variables, that a direct comparison wouldnt be "fair"..or useful
SWG launched as sandbox, but tried to convert to themepark
they pissed off most of the playerbase , but they couldnt get new ones, we were in blizzards grasp
thats 2 for the panda, 0 for the jedi
when the third iteration of this epic IP is born, the panda will prolly be too old, to compete
but then, TITAN will be on the street, so...
Post a link. Post several.
The 10m was in the link you posted which had the 1m number - so same source. From what EA has said 10m accounts is, as you say, crap. Anyway - post a link to 1m steady. (I have seen Jorgenssen's steady comment - in the sense of financially steady - but not a 1M steady link.)
Post where EA said that SWTORs was 20% up. Or reread it. The comment was made against a basket of games one of which was FIFA. You will find specific comments about FIFA but not about SWTOR - except for the comment that SWTOR was (mainly) responsible for the drop in sub revenue. I added the mainly to show that their statement was - again - about a basket of games.
An analogy. 12months ago you were renting; now you have a mortgage. You can say: my rent is way down as in ZERO compared to 12 months ago but my mortgage payments are way UP compared with 12 months ago. Pretty obvious. It doesn't say whether you are paying more or less however.
Now canvass everyone in your workplace / guild / school / church congregation / guild - whatever. Add up everyones rent payments and mortgage payments. Compare to 12 months ago. statement: rents are 20% up mainly due to the football ground doing a sale and leaseback deal along with Bobdole moving into rented but mortgage payments are well down due to the football ground no longer paying a mortgage. Based on that would I be able to say that you are paying 20% than you were 12 months ago. No.
You will find specific statements about FIFA mainly, some on BF3 etc. If you find any on SWTOR in the financial reports please share. As I said the last highlight report said nothing about SWTOR. The last two quarterly reports have mentioned SWTOR only as one of a basket of games when talking about f2p etc. revenue and sub etc. revenue. I add the etc. by the way because they are not just talking about sub and f2p revenue but about advertising, royalties and a host of other stuff. A basket of games, a basket of revenue streams.
I hate to see people misled. As I say it will be interesting to see what the courts make of the lawsuit resulting from BF4. If you think I have reading comprehension difficulties however paste what was said and I will eat humble pie.
And, as above, post a link to a 1m number at the time of the 2013 Q1 report (back in August) - all I picked up for August was that subs were down 25% from the f2p launch number. (Don't say EA didn't say that - again - as I pasted the comment in an earlier post and you said oh right, they did).
And why does it matter? Well they posted a 2.2m number last May (1.7m + 500k subs) and if they only have 1m now (link please) then that is a drop of over 50%. So if in August they had 1.5m - say - then that x2 revenue you are going on about might have been from a higher number of accounts.
Just post some links - reputable sources would be good. Actual Eric quotes say not things that people think he said - as in 10m .... which you said was crap.
1. Content is in the eye of the beholder. Will be interesting to see what 2014 brings though. Still nothing on the drums - sorry GSF is coming to f2p in January!
2. To be accurate WoW 5.4 was September 2012; 5.3 was May 2013; 5.2 was March 2013 and 5.1 was November 2012. So 4 content drops in the last 13 months. So comparing a years worth of SWTOR to 2 content patches is off. 10 moths from 4.3 (November 2011) to MoP however (September 2012) as you say.
5. Once you start to count f2p accounts then a whole other number of games have to be included as well in any comparison. If you are just looking at western games then yes Runescape, and Clone Wars, and Free Worlds, and WoW as it is western and has f2p accounts to level 20. Arguablt co-op games as well. Now if you you cannot look at WoW because it has non-western accounts - well SWTOR has non-western accounts as well. Why it had Asiatic servers. Or are you saying every non-western account left when they closed the servers. And I want that the links to 1m for several time periods from reputable sources as well.
At the end of the day 2nd or 4th or 10tgh place for a f2p game doesn't mean a great deal. It comes down to spend, retention and cost of acquisition. f2p accounts are like gadflies - a huge cloud arrives and they die quickly. You need to keep the light burning bright to get more and that costs advertising dollars. Or development dollars to generate content to generate publicity. And looking forward looks very dark. The f2p launch brought a cloud of gadflies; Makeb brought another cloud; GSF ... not so sure.
yes do please post links backing up your arguements.
The burden of proof is on you.
This thread is asking about the state of the game which these facts can be said about it
1. It has a very healthy population
2. They have added more content in a year then WoW and most other MMOs add.
3. They are continuing adding new content every 6-8 weeks which is HUGE in the MMO world
4. they are making a healthy profit.
Feel free to try and dispute those facts.
1. I see you admit you lost that arugment
2. Do you think WoW is magical? That some how its content takes longer to get through then other MMOs? Siege of Orgrimmar the last content patch (WHICH CAME OUT IN SEPTEMBER) has already been beaten many times over.
It was BEAT IN 24 HOURS!
There is not another content patch due till whenever Warlords of Dranror is released.
3. I play WoW and SWTOR. I have yet to find a single WoW raid that is as good as Terror From Beyond. Not to mention SWTOR has interesting World Bosses. I can't think of a single SWTOR raid that was beat in 24 hours after it was released.
4. yeah i know its not F2P but millions upon millions have played WoW. Many tried for a month then quit some for 1 expansion.
5. ok
6. Even when SWG lanuched it was considered a failure. Why do you think they did the NGE and CU?
Boy, are you going to be disappointed.
1. if he is happy with the content, he gets, why..and how, would i argue with that?
but, looking at the raw stats, other games have more to offer
2. why would i care if some hardcores rush through a raid?
is there enough content for me? yes
3. who cares about raids? raiders do...i dont
4.roughly 50 mios players over 8 years, so the average wow player is subbed for about a year
how long is the average swtor player subbed? if he is subbed, at all?
6.didnt there go several months , before that?
AFAIK, they only started tweaking, after they saw wows numbers soar
i didnt play SWG, so i wont defend it
by that defintion, swtor is a even bigger failure
why did they go F2P in a year? because they wanted, to make all the STAR WARS fans happy?
or. because, they couldnt sell their product, at a standard, and FIXED Price?
1. okay
2. except STO, and wow is on a skeleton crew, theyre using most resources on titan
3. that cycle is the norm now, not the exception
oddly enougn, the EXCEPTION is still doing best..by far
4. Again: if they can sell recolored STAR WARS pixels, for 20$ a pop, its hard NOT to have a profit
and, where does the profit go? back in the game, or in EAs pockets?
if anything, they will increase the amount of half -finished themeparks, by a substantial number
how many sandboxes on the Horizon? 2? 3?
a themepark wont get your average dev rich, but it will give him a job
and me something, to bitch about
we dont get, what we want, but, at least, we get SOMETHING
2. STO really??? You think STO has released more conent this year? Ok lets see the links.
ROFL WoW is on a Skeleton CREW???? OMG you have to be the biggest troll here. Ok show me the links saying that WoW is on a skeleton crew. Keep in mind they have been working on the new expansion for a while now.
3. Really? What other MMOs are on a 6 week content cycle?
4. Well as we have seen them hiring more developers and add new content every 6 weeks I would say back in the game.
Unfortunately, I prefer a quality game over numbers any day, and the quality of this game stinks......
i see the problem here: you believe more in a LINK, than in actual FACTS
you want links, find them yourself, or look at the game
blizzard saying" were just gonna take the same Money, but give you lesser for it"...of course, they would say that
wow financed big parts of starcraft 2 and diablo 3
GW2 and STO both have very fast content cycles, Theres prolly more, that i dont know
umm... no, you don't see the problem. A LINK is to an official source where you got that info from. It is a fact. You just saying it, doesn't mean anything. The burden of proof is on you. Telling him to go look it up himself only means you don't know where the original source came from...or you just made it up yourself.
considering, how many links there are on pretty much every subject, i dont put too much faith in them
i can link you to a nazi site, that tells you, to kill jews
i can link you to al quaida, telling you the same about westeners
does that mean, that theyre right?
if i did provide links,,would that make him less happy, with his game?
would it make me happier, with mine?
and , even if it did
Companies dont make MISTAKES, right?
Companies dont LIE, right?
a link is just pixels, i believe more in reality
What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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Not really sure how the nazi reference is even relevant nor do I want you to elaborate on it...
You're not trying to prove his game is bad with links, you're trying to prove what you're saying is founded in "reality" Good and bad games are not "facts" ever.
Like you saying wow is on a skeleton crew and everyone is working on Titan. Well anyone following that would know it's not true because Blizzard scaled it back from a team of 100 down to 30 last year....here is a link http://venturebeat.com/2013/05/28/blizzard-delays-unannounced-mmo-until-2016-resets-whole-project-exclusive/
See how that works ?
Now I have no information on where all those devs went but we didn't hear about any layoffs so they still work for blizzard somewhere. Since no one really knows ( that I've heard ) we'd just be arguing opinions on if they went back to wow or not, but with a new x-pack on it's way...my guess is some of them did.
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/read the date, this article is more, than ½ a year old
and do note: most of the article is based on rumours and speculations
that is its biggest strength, IMO
it prolly happened, but NO WAY would the suits admit it
i knew, that they had reset Titan, but i didnt know about the cutbacks
its obviously giving them a lot of trouble, beating a legend is pretty hard
and note the $$ number, where did all those Money go?
Theres prolly countries, that have less Money, than that
scary thought
weird..SWG servers had jedi protection , but that didnt help
these were ancient servers, prolly run on oil lamps, and stone tablets
swtor has modern SUPER servers, to prevent the same fate
Would you care to add the number of players per server to that statistic or are you just assuming that 2005 era servers are comparable to 2012 era servers?
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
he is trolling, and he is a true artist in his field
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I don't think that word means what you think it means. "Quality" doesn't mean "what I like," so failure to conform to your tastes does not indicate a lack of it.
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Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
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That's the second time you've lost
Seeing as you can't provide ANY links backing up what you say I'm not worried about.
So where did you hear that WoW is on a skeleton crew?