Wow so you actually don't have a link for what you said. You just have a bunch of links. gg on this Gia...NCsoft is 5 times larger than CCP btw.
So what? NCSoft doesn't develop GW2, ArenaNet does.
NCsoft owns it. Just like CCP owns EVE...
Eh... no. CCP is the creators of Eve. ArenaNet is the creator of Guild Wars 2. If ANet ever splits off from NCSoft, the Guild Wars titles go with them. NCSoft does not develop GW2.
Wow so you actually don't have a link for what you said. You just have a bunch of links. gg on this Gia...NCsoft is 5 times larger than CCP btw.
So what? NCSoft doesn't develop GW2, ArenaNet does.
NCsoft owns it. Just like CCP owns EVE...
Eh... no. CCP is the creators of Eve. ArenaNet is the creator of Guild Wars 2. If ANet ever splits off from NCSoft, the Guild Wars titles go with them. NCSoft does not develop GW2.
/sigh ok man if it helps you sleep at night. I'm gone see you at the next big story.
The last time I was in these forums, you had clear well written arguments. You are all over the place. I say "GW2 earned only 10% more than AION, and 1/3 of what Lineage made. They could use the cash." Then you start talking about GW1 time cards and CCP being bigger than ANET.
Your argument is completely meaningless without data. "Only 10% more than Aion" doesn't mean they didn't earn much even though it's worded that way. They're earning good money and will see even greater growth once the Chinese market is tapped as well.
If you earned only 10% more than Bill Gates, would you be hurting for cash?
The last time I was in these forums, you had clear well written arguments. You are all over the place. I say "GW2 earned only 10% more than AION, and 1/3 of what Lineage made. They could use the cash." Then you start talking about GW1 time cards and CCP being bigger than ANET.
Your argument is completely meaningless without data. "Only 10% more than Aion" doesn't mean they didn't earn much even though it's worded that way. They're earning good money and will see even greater growth once the Chinese market is tapped as well.
If you earned only 10% more than Bill Gates, would you be hurting for cash?
If I earned 10% of what Bill Gates makes I'd still be one of the richest people in the world.
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Wow so you actually don't have a link for what you said. You just have a bunch of links. gg on this Gia...NCsoft is 5 times larger than CCP btw.
So what? NCSoft doesn't develop GW2, ArenaNet does.
NCsoft owns it. Just like CCP owns EVE...
Eh... no. CCP is the creators of Eve. ArenaNet is the creator of Guild Wars 2. If ANet ever splits off from NCSoft, the Guild Wars titles go with them. NCSoft does not develop GW2.
/sigh ok man if it helps you sleep at night. I'm gone see you at the next big story.
For the context of the argument it doesn't really matter.
The people working on GW2 are Anet 300 peeps, not NCSoft 3000 peeps.
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
Wow so you actually don't have a link for what you said. You just have a bunch of links. gg on this Gia...NCsoft is 5 times larger than CCP btw.
So what? NCSoft doesn't develop GW2, ArenaNet does.
NCsoft owns it. Just like CCP owns EVE...
Eh... no. CCP is the creators of Eve. ArenaNet is the creator of Guild Wars 2. If ANet ever splits off from NCSoft, the Guild Wars titles go with them. NCSoft does not develop GW2.
/sigh ok man if it helps you sleep at night. I'm gone see you at the next big story.
For the context of the argument it doesn't really matter.
The people working on GW2 are Anet 300 peeps, not NCSoft 3000 peeps.
datamining of a cash shop model in the test server for the chinese market is a big story now? you need to get out more, bcbully.
And are you really saying that 3000 people are working on GW2? That's like saying 7,000 people are working on world of warcraft (activision blizzard has 7,000 employees). Come on now bcbully, I thought you were smarter than that.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
The irony of ArenaNet even considering this for any market is so rich and creamy, considering the type of game they've created.
:V You do realize that the type of pay models allowed are determined by the Chinese government, and that by LAW, all MMORPGs in China are run by Chinese companies?
... that Arenanet, in fact, has 0 control over the pay model... and the same for NCSoft as well actually?
But hey! Don't let ignorance on this matter stop you from feeling rich and creamy irony. It's like talking about how the WoW model in China proves the lack of confidence Blizzard has in their subscription model. :V
The irony of ArenaNet even considering this for any market is so rich and creamy, considering the type of game they've created.
Originally posted by Doogiehowser So much for B2P is the future!!!
Absolutely.
I mean they didn't have subscriptions and time cards in Asia for GW1 6 years ago or anything.
But on the other hand it might raise contradictory feelings in you guys.
Generally, for these forums, a game starts with a subscription fee and going freemium means that it failed. By that logic a game starting with no sub and going for a sub is a sign of major success.
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
The irony of ArenaNet even considering this for any market is so rich and creamy, considering the type of game they've created.
:V You do realize that the type of pay models allowed are determined by the Chinese government, and that by LAW, all MMORPGs in China are run by Chinese companies?
... that Arenanet, in fact, has 0 control over the pay model... and the same for NCSoft as well actually?
But hey! Don't let ignorance on this matter stop you from feeling rich and creamy irony. It's like talking about how the WoW model in China proves the lack of confidence Blizzard has in their subscription model. :V
Uhhh yeah, my point about irony had nothing to do with the comparison of payment models themselves. It was about something else entirely. But please, don't let that stop you from your usual white knighting.
Uhhh yeah, my point about irony had nothing to do with the comparison of payment models themselves. It was about something else entirely. But please, don't let that stop you from your usual white knighting.
My whole point is that your entire point is invalid because your original premise is flawed. Arenanet isn't the one doing this.
I didn't bring up WoW to compare pricing models, I brought up WoW to show how even the most famous of the western MMOs still doesn't have control over pricing models in China.
I'm not white knighting GW2, if somebody said a statement that suggested that Blizzard was responsible for how their game's price structure works in China, I would also say they are wrong.
I have an interest in accuracy of statements. Yours was inaccurate, because it is based off of a basic misunderstanding.
It won't be the future in China, where MMORPG pay models are regulated by the government.
Do you live in China?
Do houses have basements in China ?
Some. But if all housing construction was mandated to be done by Chinese companies and there was a governmental rule that there wasn't supposed to be basements in China, I wouldn't use that to argue that basements are going out of style (Except in China).
For the record, I don't think B2P is the future, it seems that the most popular models are a combination of various types of F2P, and freemiums. Or the super popular 'be a subscription until a freemium model looks more profitable'.
I actually suspect that many of these companies are writing up their freemium plan before the game is even released. They seem to be doing the transitions quite smoothly lately.
My point was just that in THIS particular case, it has nothing to do with the success of B2P, and everything to do with what the government in China is mandating.
Originally posted by Doogiehowser So much for B2P is the future!!!
It won't be the future in China, where MMORPG pay models are regulated by the government.
Do you live in China?
Do houses have basements in China ?
Why? you don't like the one where you are currently living?
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Absolutely.
I mean they didn't have subscriptions and time cards in Asia for GW1 6 years ago or anything.
But on the other hand it might raise contradictory feelings in you guys.
Generally, for these forums, a game starts with a subscription fee and going freemium means that it failed. By that logic a game starting with no sub and going for a sub is a sign of major success.
My comment was about the rumor..if there is any truth to it ofcourse and that this model could be applied in west in near future.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
Gemstore discounts - I currently have 1600 gems unspent because there isn't anything I'm interested in. Do I care if someone else pays more to pay less? No
Convenient banking - With instant map travel it's hardly an inconvenience. I have unused instant banks on each character. Do I care that someone pays more to have them - no
Extra bank space - I can buy it if I want. Do I care that someone else can pay for it? No
Convenient trading - (see convenient banking)
Resurrection Buff - I don't die enough to care.
additional bag slot - (see extra bank space)
additional character slot - (see extra bank space)
additional skill points - I probably have close to 1000 unspent. Do I care if someone buys some. Not at all.
Prestige and recognition? - I'm guessing that is a tag or symbol by their name. If people want to buy that, great! I don't care.
Teleport to a friend - This is the closest thing to being neat, but with map travel, who really cares. And if anything gets nerfed, it will be this because people would use it to map around to the end of jp's.
As for the premise of collecting regular/reoccurring payments from people. As long as I can play the same way that I'm used to, I don't care what they charge anyone else. Nothing in that list is deal breaking. We've bought 8 gemcards over the last year and a half for 2 accounts. that is $160 / account total and within our budget. The amount I've paid is less than the typical subscription (roughly paying $8 per month)
The next person might have a substantially higher budget and who am I to say that a company shouldn't sell them stuff, or that the person shouldn't buy stuff. I think it's absolutely terrific if people that have an abundance of money end up spending that money. It's good for the economy.
The next person migh have a substantially lower budget, and can't afford to spend money at all in the cash shop. They can still play. They can play right alongside the person that has VIP. The value they will put on $15 will be different than the VIP beside them and they will probably think "I can't beleive someone would waste that money on something so trivial" while the VIP thinks "pffft. it's $15. Who cares."
This doesn't change B2P at all. It's a cash-shop subscription at best. I think it's great even though I wouldn't be taking part.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
Why wouldn't you want this VIP sub here in the west? it's OPTIONAL. Just look at all those goodies.
I know a lot of people who would have payed for this VIP. If you don't pay it you can play normally and enjoy like you played before. It wouldn't hurt the game, it would actually increase the income for ArenaNet and gain more players.
I can see this move a positive one. Effectively, it caters to those who are willing to sub to the game, and eventually the game will cater to these VIP players, since they are the ones who are the real consistant money spender, excluding the whales. Reminds of an SOE game's past action, where subscribing means access to new expansions without purchasing them.
Eventually, if the move is a very positive and profitable one, the game will become what MMOs used to be: Initial purchase of game client plus monthly subscription. Sweet. A good way to filter those f2p and b2p "supporters". So much for the B2P shilling...
The possibility of the universe collapsing into a singularity is higher than the birth of a perfect MMORPG.
I can see this move a positive one. Effectively, it caters to those who are willing to sub to the game, and eventually the game will cater to these VIP players, since they are the ones who are the real consistant money spender, excluding the whales. Reminds of an SOE game's past action, where subscribing means access to new expansions without purchasing them.
Eventually, if the move is a very positive and profitable one, the game will become what MMOs used to be: Initial purchase of game client plus monthly subscription. Sweet. A good way to filter those f2p and b2p "supporters". So much for the B2P shilling...
Even if this was for the US market (Which it isn't) instead of the Chinese market, I would think most subscription supports would HATE this particular model.
This is a tiered VIP thing. Rather than the 'flat fee and everybody is equal' thing many people tout as the reason for subscription... well, look at Blade & Soul which uses almost an identical model in China.
There's 20 tiers, and you can be paying up to hundreds of dollars for top tier and the most benefits.
I question the validity of the use of the term "Resurrection Buff". 1st ANET never use the word "buff / debuff" in the game, everything is called "Boon" or "Condition". The 2nd official term is not "Ressurection" but "Revivial"
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Eh... no. CCP is the creators of Eve. ArenaNet is the creator of Guild Wars 2. If ANet ever splits off from NCSoft, the Guild Wars titles go with them. NCSoft does not develop GW2.
Oderint, dum metuant.
/sigh ok man if it helps you sleep at night. I'm gone see you at the next big story.
Your argument is completely meaningless without data. "Only 10% more than Aion" doesn't mean they didn't earn much even though it's worded that way. They're earning good money and will see even greater growth once the Chinese market is tapped as well.
If you earned only 10% more than Bill Gates, would you be hurting for cash?
Oderint, dum metuant.
If I earned 10% of what Bill Gates makes I'd still be one of the richest people in the world.
Feel free to send the cash my way.
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For the context of the argument it doesn't really matter.
The people working on GW2 are Anet 300 peeps, not NCSoft 3000 peeps.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
datamining of a cash shop model in the test server for the chinese market is a big story now? you need to get out more, bcbully.
And are you really saying that 3000 people are working on GW2? That's like saying 7,000 people are working on world of warcraft (activision blizzard has 7,000 employees). Come on now bcbully, I thought you were smarter than that.
The irony of ArenaNet even considering this for any market is so rich and creamy, considering the type of game they've created.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
:V You do realize that the type of pay models allowed are determined by the Chinese government, and that by LAW, all MMORPGs in China are run by Chinese companies?
... that Arenanet, in fact, has 0 control over the pay model... and the same for NCSoft as well actually?
But hey! Don't let ignorance on this matter stop you from feeling rich and creamy irony. It's like talking about how the WoW model in China proves the lack of confidence Blizzard has in their subscription model. :V
It won't be the future in China, where MMORPG pay models are regulated by the government.
Do you live in China?
Do houses have basements in China ?
Absolutely.
I mean they didn't have subscriptions and time cards in Asia for GW1 6 years ago or anything.
But on the other hand it might raise contradictory feelings in you guys.
Generally, for these forums, a game starts with a subscription fee and going freemium means that it failed. By that logic a game starting with no sub and going for a sub is a sign of major success.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
Didn't they? Interesting.
I am not one to let a rumour lie. B2P clearly doesn't work- oooohh!
Uhhh yeah, my point about irony had nothing to do with the comparison of payment models themselves. It was about something else entirely. But please, don't let that stop you from your usual white knighting.
There are certain things I have a really disdainful view of. Mindless defence of GW2 is one of them; it reflects so poorly on the fanboy involved.
My whole point is that your entire point is invalid because your original premise is flawed. Arenanet isn't the one doing this.
I didn't bring up WoW to compare pricing models, I brought up WoW to show how even the most famous of the western MMOs still doesn't have control over pricing models in China.
I'm not white knighting GW2, if somebody said a statement that suggested that Blizzard was responsible for how their game's price structure works in China, I would also say they are wrong.
I have an interest in accuracy of statements. Yours was inaccurate, because it is based off of a basic misunderstanding.
Some. But if all housing construction was mandated to be done by Chinese companies and there was a governmental rule that there wasn't supposed to be basements in China, I wouldn't use that to argue that basements are going out of style (Except in China).
For the record, I don't think B2P is the future, it seems that the most popular models are a combination of various types of F2P, and freemiums. Or the super popular 'be a subscription until a freemium model looks more profitable'.
I actually suspect that many of these companies are writing up their freemium plan before the game is even released. They seem to be doing the transitions quite smoothly lately.
My point was just that in THIS particular case, it has nothing to do with the success of B2P, and everything to do with what the government in China is mandating.
Why? you don't like the one where you are currently living?
My comment was about the rumor..if there is any truth to it ofcourse and that this model could be applied in west in near future.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Gemstore discounts - I currently have 1600 gems unspent because there isn't anything I'm interested in. Do I care if someone else pays more to pay less? No
Convenient banking - With instant map travel it's hardly an inconvenience. I have unused instant banks on each character. Do I care that someone pays more to have them - no
Extra bank space - I can buy it if I want. Do I care that someone else can pay for it? No
Convenient trading - (see convenient banking)
Resurrection Buff - I don't die enough to care.
additional bag slot - (see extra bank space)
additional character slot - (see extra bank space)
additional skill points - I probably have close to 1000 unspent. Do I care if someone buys some. Not at all.
Prestige and recognition? - I'm guessing that is a tag or symbol by their name. If people want to buy that, great! I don't care.
Teleport to a friend - This is the closest thing to being neat, but with map travel, who really cares. And if anything gets nerfed, it will be this because people would use it to map around to the end of jp's.
As for the premise of collecting regular/reoccurring payments from people. As long as I can play the same way that I'm used to, I don't care what they charge anyone else. Nothing in that list is deal breaking. We've bought 8 gemcards over the last year and a half for 2 accounts. that is $160 / account total and within our budget. The amount I've paid is less than the typical subscription (roughly paying $8 per month)
The next person might have a substantially higher budget and who am I to say that a company shouldn't sell them stuff, or that the person shouldn't buy stuff. I think it's absolutely terrific if people that have an abundance of money end up spending that money. It's good for the economy.
The next person migh have a substantially lower budget, and can't afford to spend money at all in the cash shop. They can still play. They can play right alongside the person that has VIP. The value they will put on $15 will be different than the VIP beside them and they will probably think "I can't beleive someone would waste that money on something so trivial" while the VIP thinks "pffft. it's $15. Who cares."
This doesn't change B2P at all. It's a cash-shop subscription at best. I think it's great even though I wouldn't be taking part.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
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Why wouldn't you want this VIP sub here in the west? it's OPTIONAL. Just look at all those goodies.
I know a lot of people who would have payed for this VIP. If you don't pay it you can play normally and enjoy like you played before. It wouldn't hurt the game, it would actually increase the income for ArenaNet and gain more players.
I can see this move a positive one. Effectively, it caters to those who are willing to sub to the game, and eventually the game will cater to these VIP players, since they are the ones who are the real consistant money spender, excluding the whales. Reminds of an SOE game's past action, where subscribing means access to new expansions without purchasing them.
Eventually, if the move is a very positive and profitable one, the game will become what MMOs used to be: Initial purchase of game client plus monthly subscription. Sweet. A good way to filter those f2p and b2p "supporters". So much for the B2P shilling...
The possibility of the universe collapsing into a singularity is higher than the birth of a perfect MMORPG.
Even if this was for the US market (Which it isn't) instead of the Chinese market, I would think most subscription supports would HATE this particular model.
This is a tiered VIP thing. Rather than the 'flat fee and everybody is equal' thing many people tout as the reason for subscription... well, look at Blade & Soul which uses almost an identical model in China.
There's 20 tiers, and you can be paying up to hundreds of dollars for top tier and the most benefits.
(edited for typo. Free instead of fee.
)
I question the validity of the use of the term "Resurrection Buff". 1st ANET never use the word "buff / debuff" in the game, everything is called "Boon" or "Condition". The 2nd official term is not "Ressurection" but "Revivial"