Originally posted by DAS1337 Originally posted by muffins89Originally posted by DAS1337Originally posted by CazNeergOriginally posted by muffins89"Zenimax, let us play any race in any alliance!!!""No.""Boo. you guys are so stupid.""Ok, you can play any race in any alliance.""Boo. you guys are so stuipid."
Pretty much.It has everything to do with the fact that it should have been implemented day one of development. The lore should have supported it, rather than directly going against it entirely. They would have had so many different options on how to display the choice of alliance to the player. The vast majority of the early game would likely have been different. Now, you'll be born into an alliance as an 'enemy race', with no explanation as to how that came about in your story line. Some people like the immersive factor of an experience. This really hurts immersion. The lore in this story does not support the reality in the game. Imperial enemy, racial alliances, now making completely no sense. And no additional story to explain the change. People aren't bitching about playing imperials or any race in any faction as much as they are bitching that it makes zero sense and it appears that ZOS is trying to literally steal our money in a P2W fashion..how does this break lore? the game is about 3 warring factions. this changes nothing. there are still....3 warring factions. your telling me that 100% of a race goes all-in, packs up, and moves to their racial lands in war times? 100% of a race agrees with what their leaders are doing? as far as back story. use your imagination. I myself don't need a story handed to me on a silver platter for things to make sense.Three warring factions that are RACIALLY divided. That's what the lore said. This is how they were portraying it at every single turn. No, I'm sure there are betrayers. I'm sure, that certainly makes sense. However, there wouldn't be a lot. Not only that, those betrayers would be shunned by the vast majority of the alliance. Do you see that happening too? No.
Compared to the bulk of the alliance, the other races would be nothing but a speck in population compared to the others.
it doesn't even matter. Now it is quite possible that an alliance could be overtaken by races that aren't even supposed to be according to the lore. The lore says that the Daggerfall Covenant is comprised of Orcs, RedGuard, and Bretons. Now, it's highly likely that the Daggerfall Covenant is going to be comprised of mostly the most popular races in the game. As will the other alliances.
Now. You tell me how that makes sense according to RACIAL ALLIANCE LORE. You can't.
Funniest part is, These factions don't have any conflicting ideologies. And with being able to mix the alliances any way you want, you have a situation where you have 3 mixed race alliances with a single ideology (to take the throne of cyr) except they all go about it singularly 0.o
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I'm not expert, but I don't think there is anything in Elder Scrolls lore which stipulates that being born of a certain race removes from a person the free will to fight for whoever they want.
Tbh though, they should allow people from different alliances to group for certain things also, especially since that's clearly allowed by the lore.
According to the arguments to justify their 3 faction PVP setup this is totally against how they designed the game....they make it up as they go along it seems!!!
Or people cried and cried because they couldn't play any combination of race and alliance so they decided to add it as a preorder perk? But of course, why look for rational explanations when you can use them to feed the Hate?
Or its just a desperate cash grab to get people to pre-order before the NDA drops.
We have nothing in lore to support this. You are grasping at straws to try and not lose an argument and now you have completely changed the topic in an attempt to be right. How much are they paying you to abandon all logic and reason?
Ha, ha. As soon as the NDA drops people will know how hard you are trolling.
Except that I participate in beta and I know exactly how the game plays.
Let's get this out of the way. They won't even remember this conversation. No one will even remember us at all. We aren't special. Maybe you hold onto what your mother kept saying about how special you are, but I recognize that it's just something all mothers say and go about my life as I see fit.
Originally posted by muffins89"Zenimax, let us play any race in any alliance!!!""No.""Boo. you guys are so stupid.""Ok, you can play any race in any alliance.""Boo. you guys are so stuipid."
Pretty much.
It has everything to do with the fact that it should have been implemented day one of development. The lore should have supported it, rather than directly going against it entirely. They would have had so many different options on how to display the choice of alliance to the player. The vast majority of the early game would likely have been different. Now, you'll be born into an alliance as an 'enemy race', with no explanation as to how that came about in your story line. Some people like the immersive factor of an experience. This really hurts immersion. The lore in this story does not support the reality in the game. Imperial enemy, racial alliances, now making completely no sense. And no additional story to explain the change. People aren't bitching about playing imperials or any race in any faction as much as they are bitching that it makes zero sense and it appears that ZOS is trying to literally steal our money in a P2W fashion..
how does this break lore? the game is about 3 warring factions. this changes nothing. there are still....3 warring factions. your telling me that 100% of a race goes all-in, packs up, and moves to their racial lands in war times? 100% of a race agrees with what their leaders are doing? as far as back story. use your imagination. I myself don't need a story handed to me on a silver platter for things to make sense.
Three warring factions that are RACIALLY divided. That's what the lore said. This is how they were portraying it at every single turn. No, I'm sure there are betrayers. I'm sure, that certainly makes sense. However, there wouldn't be a lot. Not only that, those betrayers would be shunned by the vast majority of the alliance. Do you see that happening too? No.
Compared to the bulk of the alliance, the other races would be nothing but a speck in population compared to the others.
it doesn't even matter. Now it is quite possible that an alliance could be overtaken by races that aren't even supposed to be according to the lore. The lore says that the Daggerfall Covenant is comprised of Orcs, RedGuard, and Bretons. Now, it's highly likely that the Daggerfall Covenant is going to be comprised of mostly the most popular races in the game. As will the other alliances.
Now. You tell me how that makes sense according to RACIAL ALLIANCE LORE. You can't.
Funniest part is, These factions don't have any conflicting ideologies. And with being able to mix the alliances any way you want, you have a situation where you have 3 mixed race alliances with a single ideology (to take the throne of cyr) except they all go about it singularly 0.o
So, we have three alliances, with random racial population, all fighting for the throne, with no difference in ideology.
That's what I call immersion!
They should have done what we asked in the beginning. Three factions with differing ideology. You can play any race without being in a faction at character start. Then you go through some story line quests and make a decision on your alliance.
Bottom line is, now they look like liars, as well as appearing to be trying to make a quick buck. Regardless of whether you understand the frustration that some of us share. You at least have to accept that it is quite negative and it will stop some people from buying the game.
There are traitors all through history. To me this makes the game world and lore more believable.
I actually like it
Traitors would be one thing, but every faction that you will play is going to have whatever TES race is the most popular. Which means, if it's Nords at this point, You'll have Nords vs Nords vs Nords and some other races. It actually doesn't make sense if you ACTUALLY think about it. If the alliances weren't built on racial alliances, then it would make sense. The lore tells us this fact. The lore tells us we are fighting Imperials. Except that it isn't true now. Now we are fighting player imperials and alliances aren't locked to races from the beginning. That is the exact opposite of the lore.
Just because it is a TES game, doesn't mean you need to be a blind follower no matter what choice they make.
I can understand and I agree with your point, this could definitely be a problem if it applied to everyone. I'm hoping that it is limited... and since they have included it for the preorder's I hope that it ends with the pre order's. I do believe that with the right kind of number's, it enhances the game.
I guess it's in, so we will just have to see and hope for the best.
Originally posted by muffins89"Zenimax, let us play any race in any alliance!!!""No.""Boo. you guys are so stupid.""Ok, you can play any race in any alliance.""Boo. you guys are so stuipid."
Pretty much.
It has everything to do with the fact that it should have been implemented day one of development. The lore should have supported it, rather than directly going against it entirely. They would have had so many different options on how to display the choice of alliance to the player. The vast majority of the early game would likely have been different. Now, you'll be born into an alliance as an 'enemy race', with no explanation as to how that came about in your story line. Some people like the immersive factor of an experience. This really hurts immersion. The lore in this story does not support the reality in the game. Imperial enemy, racial alliances, now making completely no sense. And no additional story to explain the change. People aren't bitching about playing imperials or any race in any faction as much as they are bitching that it makes zero sense and it appears that ZOS is trying to literally steal our money in a P2W fashion..
how does this break lore? the game is about 3 warring factions. this changes nothing. there are still....3 warring factions. your telling me that 100% of a race goes all-in, packs up, and moves to their racial lands in war times? 100% of a race agrees with what their leaders are doing? as far as back story. use your imagination. I myself don't need a story handed to me on a silver platter for things to make sense.
Three warring factions that are RACIALLY divided. That's what the lore said. This is how they were portraying it at every single turn. No, I'm sure there are betrayers. I'm sure, that certainly makes sense. However, there wouldn't be a lot. Not only that, those betrayers would be shunned by the vast majority of the alliance. Do you see that happening too? No.
Compared to the bulk of the alliance, the other races would be nothing but a speck in population compared to the others.
it doesn't even matter. Now it is quite possible that an alliance could be overtaken by races that aren't even supposed to be according to the lore. The lore says that the Daggerfall Covenant is comprised of Orcs, RedGuard, and Bretons. Now, it's highly likely that the Daggerfall Covenant is going to be comprised of mostly the most popular races in the game. As will the other alliances.
Now. You tell me how that makes sense according to RACIAL ALLIANCE LORE. You can't.
Funniest part is, These factions don't have any conflicting ideologies. And with being able to mix the alliances any way you want, you have a situation where you have 3 mixed race alliances with a single ideology (to take the throne of cyr) except they all go about it singularly 0.o
So, we have three alliances, with random racial population, all fighting for the throne, with no difference in ideology.
That's what I call immersion!
They should have done what we asked in the beginning. Three factions with differing ideology. You can play any race without being in a faction at character start. Then you go through some story line quests and make a decision on your alliance.
Bottom line is, now they look like liars, as well as appearing to be trying to make a quick buck. Regardless of whether you understand the frustration that some of us share. You at least have to accept that it is quite negative and it will stop some people from buying the game.
Wow. If only history had ever had an example of an individual breaking with his racial, national or geographic orientation to make a stand on an issue that was based on their individual beliefs. If only that choice had come at a price such as fighting former friends, neighbor or even family. A 3 realm war makes sense give their lore and presentation. Making an individual choice that goes against the norm has a small cost.
Free to play games and our entitled generations of me have changed our very perspectives. Out of all the free to play games I have dabbled in there are very few that resisted the temptation to sell power or benefits that surpassed the offerings available to the gamer who never paid a cent. TBH the ONLY reason a game uses a free to play model is to keep you playing long enough that you grow attached enough to your character or the game that you will at some point pay them money either as a reward or to gain something. There is not a game development company out there saying it is all good if we go bankrupt and lose our jobs as long as we cater to every player for free and give them what they want at our expense.
Make an individual choice to decide if you are willing to pay the cost for betraying your race. Make an individual choice about being an Imperial. And thank you Bethesda et.al. for finally making a collector edition with some meat that has a benefit that last beyond a level 4 ring that you end up using a day. Personally I hope they do NOT add Imperials and a race betrayal quest in the cash shop or in-game. That would add value to a collectors edition every day that you play the game. I think the value of this collectors edition compared to other a standard box purchase is huge. If I was certain I was going to play ESO I would certainly spring for one. Now if I just knew if the game itself was any damn good. (Although I suspect by the relatively small number of people breaking the NDA that it is fun since people won't risk losing their accounts) I will most likely purchase a collectors edition or two. Lord knows I have enough game purchases in games I no longer play anyway to take a very nice vacation around the world for a month.
(In case you don't get the first paragraph please read anything about the American civil war, the 442nd in WWII or anything else about any other war in history ((the movie 300 even had one)))
The thing I don't understand is if you were planning on playing ESO...wouldn't you pre-order i anyways, so who cares about the pre-order perks?
I understand it goes against what they've said in the past, but it makes sense to me. You have people that were always planning on pre-ordering anyways, they're just trying to get those on the fence to pre-order as well. This is just the typical MMO player complaint these days, and it's no wonder we can't have another WoW. Developers can't please anyone these days. You start by crying about locked races, now you have the option to have open races, and you cry about that.../mindboggled
There are traitors all through history. To me this makes the game world and lore more believable.
I actually like it
Traitors would be one thing, but every faction that you will play is going to have whatever TES race is the most popular. Which means, if it's Nords at this point, You'll have Nords vs Nords vs Nords and some other races. It actually doesn't make sense if you ACTUALLY think about it. If the alliances weren't built on racial alliances, then it would make sense. The lore tells us this fact. The lore tells us we are fighting Imperials. Except that it isn't true now. Now we are fighting player imperials and alliances aren't locked to races from the beginning. That is the exact opposite of the lore.
Just because it is a TES game, doesn't mean you need to be a blind follower no matter what choice they make.
Same argument they were using to rage against the faction lock. This isn't an issue with Zeni doing what they want, its an issue of so many people demanding their be no racial lock. The players have no one to blame but the players for Zeni feeling like they had to cave in to the player's demands.
No, the developers are to blame. As a developer, it's your responsibility to listen to your consumers. However, it isn't your responsibility to do everything that your consumers want. Especially so because the vast majority of your consumers actually don't know what they want. We didn't make ZOS change something like this. They actually made the choice.
If I ask you to kill someone for years, and you finally do it, does that mean I'm to blame and you walk free? No.
Actually in the US that has happened on several occasion, you just need to testify against the person who repeatedly asked you. Happens all the time in organized crime trials. In fact a recent high profile one in Florida to mention the most recent one.
MURICA!
There is always an exception to a rule. Thanks for saying something we already knew.
But back on topic, if you are a business and your customers make enough complaints, you are going to change. ZOS can't just say, oh well they don't know what they really want so we ignore them even though we are adamant that we want it a certain way, otherwise we won't even buy the product. Which brings me to the surveys they send out after beta, so if 70% of beta participants wanted cross faction races and gave that feedback, do you honestly think that ZOS shouldn't have changed it?
Should they not then allow all players, including those who do not preorder, this benefit?
They probably will, I would guess it will be one of the first items added to the cash shop when they go Freemium.
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Originally posted by Gravarg The thing I don't understand is if you were planning on playing ESO...wouldn't you pre-order i anyways, so who cares about the pre-order perks?
The fact that it goes against every single thing the makers have been saying about why they made the base game the way they did? Or the fact that they once again just slapped players in the face, only not just the biggest TES fans that want a real TES game, but now even DaoC fanboys that were giddy over getting a remake and now have their realm pride crushed under the weight of developers that don't care about them at all either by showing that the design actually is meaningless.
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There are traitors all through history. To me this makes the game world and lore more believable.
I actually like it
Traitors would be one thing, but every faction that you will play is going to have whatever TES race is the most popular. Which means, if it's Nords at this point, You'll have Nords vs Nords vs Nords and some other races. It actually doesn't make sense if you ACTUALLY think about it. If the alliances weren't built on racial alliances, then it would make sense. The lore tells us this fact. The lore tells us we are fighting Imperials. Except that it isn't true now. Now we are fighting player imperials and alliances aren't locked to races from the beginning. That is the exact opposite of the lore.
Just because it is a TES game, doesn't mean you need to be a blind follower no matter what choice they make.
Same argument they were using to rage against the faction lock. This isn't an issue with Zeni doing what they want, its an issue of so many people demanding their be no racial lock. The players have no one to blame but the players for Zeni feeling like they had to cave in to the player's demands.
No, the developers are to blame. As a developer, it's your responsibility to listen to your consumers. However, it isn't your responsibility to do everything that your consumers want. Especially so because the vast majority of your consumers actually don't know what they want. We didn't make ZOS change something like this. They actually made the choice.
If I ask you to kill someone for years, and you finally do it, does that mean I'm to blame and you walk free? No.
Actually in the US that has happened on several occasion, you just need to testify against the person who repeatedly asked you. Happens all the time in organized crime trials. In fact a recent high profile one in Florida to mention the most recent one.
MURICA!
There is always an exception to a rule. Thanks for saying something we already knew.
They destroyed alliance war, alliance pride and even their own logo(ring with 3 factions) before starting the game. Explorers pack is the worst thing that could happen to anyone one looking for pvp in cydorill with a little meaning. Faction lock was one of the bigger reasons for play the game, they sold that reason(faction locks) and alliance pride 'like daoc' for more than 2 years and now they kill it in 2 months before release.
Sad day for the long term pvp game retention power, and the worst thing its that is even before of the game realease or the game becomes f2p.
They destroyed alliance war, alliance pride and even their own logo(ring with 3 factions) before starting the game. Explorers pack is the worst thing that could happen to anyone one looking for pvp in cydorill with a little meaning. Faction lock was one of the bigger reasons for play the game, they sold that reason(faction locks) and alliance pride 'like daoc' for more than 2 years and now they kill it in 2 months before release.
Sad day for the long term pvp game retention power, and the worst thing its that is even before of the game realease or the game becomes f2p.
I don't really agree that they destroyed the alliance war and pride. The alliances still have their individual goals and reasons. I didn't pick my faction in ESO because of race, I chose the faction I liked best, based on their approach. Which is intact. Everyone can just choose now. That's just my personal view though :-)
Feeling like I was going to be forced into a faction because I only ever play Bosmer in ES games was one of the things that's kept me away from this, but tying the removal of this with a pre-order isn't going to get me to buy it sight unseen. If they keep this as a pre-order bonus forever then my problem will remain. Faction locks in something like DAoC are fine, doing it with an IP with a long history of freedom in character creation is just going to turn people off.
As far as other people go, this should make people who play mmos in groups happy as their members won't have to compromise on race to get the whole group in one faction.
I think this type of business practice will only hurt the game if ESO's launch is unsuccessful. I understand why everyone is upset at this piece of news. Many of us just want to be able to play the game and play it our own way.
The guild I'm in is apart of the Daggerfall Convenant. The majority of us have been excited about the 5 day early access(HR..I request vacation), Imperial race, and the ability to play any race with any Alliance. We're having the same discussion on our boards, but most of us do not regret purchasing the Imperial Edition. Besides, YOU GET THE EMPEROR'S POCKET GUIDE TO TAMRIEL WITH THE RETAIL VERSION!
Many of you don't care about that anyway. To be honest I don't regret spending my money on it. It just makes me more excited for April. By the way, I thought everyone knew there was going to be a cash shop? It was announced at the end of last summer.
One thing is for sure. If MMORPG.com is blowing up instantly over this than I guess The Elder Scrolls Online is really one of the most anticipated games of 2014.
The game been riddled with nonsense since the early talks just about everything in the game.
Just forget about the game, and let it become F2P in less than a year if you really want to try it.
Maybe, just maybe, this is the reason why Beth said during Morrowind times, and later on on Oblivion times... "No online Elder Scrolls ever" for a reason. Nothing seems right on this game branded with the ES name.
Blame it on the greedy parent company that's making this game. Everyone wants that Wow money and every mmo that's come out since wow is half arsed. Beth.was right a long time ago about not making an mmo and that's proven right now. I can't wait to read about the mess they made. Talk about a ip having rabid fan's. I just hope it doesn't hurt Beth's Rep.
Feeling like I was going to be forced into a faction because I only ever play Bosmer in ES games was one of the things that's kept me away from this, but tying the removal of this with a pre-order isn't going to get me to buy it sight unseen. If they keep this as a pre-order bonus forever then my problem will remain. Faction locks in something like DAoC are fine, doing it with an IP with a long history of freedom in character creation is just going to turn people off.
As far as other people go, this should make people who play mmos in groups happy as their members won't have to compromise on race to get the whole group in one faction.
Assuming they have an open beta at some point, you should be able to play enough then to make an informed purchase decision in time to get the pre-order bonuses, if you like the game.
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One thing is for sure. If MMORPG.com is blowing up instantly over this than I guess The Elder Scrolls Online is really one of the most anticipated games of 2014.
That is something only the IP brought on. Without the name, most people wouldn't care a lick because they wouldn't be feeling betrayed.....and this only added a few more on the betrayed side, the ultra diehard DaoC fans that are now losing their fake faction pride and race/faction locks they loved so much because now the idea has been brought down to cheap cash status due to having a way around it.
You know damn well that this will eventually be something a player can buy after release and they need money to make up for loss of subscriptions. It will make the entire DaoC design pointless, not that it wasn't anything but a bad idea anyway.
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It has everything to do with the fact that it should have been implemented day one of development. The lore should have supported it, rather than directly going against it entirely. They would have had so many different options on how to display the choice of alliance to the player. The vast majority of the early game would likely have been different. Now, you'll be born into an alliance as an 'enemy race', with no explanation as to how that came about in your story line. Some people like the immersive factor of an experience. This really hurts immersion. The lore in this story does not support the reality in the game. Imperial enemy, racial alliances, now making completely no sense. And no additional story to explain the change. People aren't bitching about playing imperials or any race in any faction as much as they are bitching that it makes zero sense and it appears that ZOS is trying to literally steal our money in a P2W fashion. .
how does this break lore? the game is about 3 warring factions. this changes nothing. there are still....3 warring factions. your telling me that 100% of a race goes all-in, packs up, and moves to their racial lands in war times? 100% of a race agrees with what their leaders are doing? as far as back story. use your imagination. I myself don't need a story handed to me on a silver platter for things to make sense.
Three warring factions that are RACIALLY divided. That's what the lore said. This is how they were portraying it at every single turn. No, I'm sure there are betrayers. I'm sure, that certainly makes sense. However, there wouldn't be a lot. Not only that, those betrayers would be shunned by the vast majority of the alliance. Do you see that happening too? No.
Compared to the bulk of the alliance, the other races would be nothing but a speck in population compared to the others.
it doesn't even matter. Now it is quite possible that an alliance could be overtaken by races that aren't even supposed to be according to the lore. The lore says that the Daggerfall Covenant is comprised of Orcs, RedGuard, and Bretons. Now, it's highly likely that the Daggerfall Covenant is going to be comprised of mostly the most popular races in the game. As will the other alliances.
Now. You tell me how that makes sense according to RACIAL ALLIANCE LORE. You can't.
Funniest part is, These factions don't have any conflicting ideologies. And with being able to mix the alliances any way you want, you have a situation where you have 3 mixed race alliances with a single ideology (to take the throne of cyr) except they all go about it singularly 0.o
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Or its just a desperate cash grab to get people to pre-order before the NDA drops.
Except that I participate in beta and I know exactly how the game plays.
Let's get this out of the way. They won't even remember this conversation. No one will even remember us at all. We aren't special. Maybe you hold onto what your mother kept saying about how special you are, but I recognize that it's just something all mothers say and go about my life as I see fit.
Its an absolute No-Go.
IT show that they know that the game will suck and want to sell as many as possible by pre-order
Step in the arena and break the wall down
So, we have three alliances, with random racial population, all fighting for the throne, with no difference in ideology.
That's what I call immersion!
They should have done what we asked in the beginning. Three factions with differing ideology. You can play any race without being in a faction at character start. Then you go through some story line quests and make a decision on your alliance.
Bottom line is, now they look like liars, as well as appearing to be trying to make a quick buck. Regardless of whether you understand the frustration that some of us share. You at least have to accept that it is quite negative and it will stop some people from buying the game.
I can understand and I agree with your point, this could definitely be a problem if it applied to everyone. I'm hoping that it is limited... and since they have included it for the preorder's I hope that it ends with the pre order's. I do believe that with the right kind of number's, it enhances the game.
I guess it's in, so we will just have to see and hope for the best.
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There's information out a few places. http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Factions_(Online) and http://elderscrollsonline.info/factions and http://elderscrollsonline.com/en-uk/game-guide/the-alliance-war
I'm seeing plenty of differences between the alliances? :O
Edit: Sorry for not providing actual clickable links. I have no idea how to do it.
Should they not then allow all players, including those who do not preorder, this benefit?
Wow. If only history had ever had an example of an individual breaking with his racial, national or geographic orientation to make a stand on an issue that was based on their individual beliefs. If only that choice had come at a price such as fighting former friends, neighbor or even family. A 3 realm war makes sense give their lore and presentation. Making an individual choice that goes against the norm has a small cost.
Free to play games and our entitled generations of me have changed our very perspectives. Out of all the free to play games I have dabbled in there are very few that resisted the temptation to sell power or benefits that surpassed the offerings available to the gamer who never paid a cent. TBH the ONLY reason a game uses a free to play model is to keep you playing long enough that you grow attached enough to your character or the game that you will at some point pay them money either as a reward or to gain something. There is not a game development company out there saying it is all good if we go bankrupt and lose our jobs as long as we cater to every player for free and give them what they want at our expense.
Make an individual choice to decide if you are willing to pay the cost for betraying your race. Make an individual choice about being an Imperial. And thank you Bethesda et.al. for finally making a collector edition with some meat that has a benefit that last beyond a level 4 ring that you end up using a day. Personally I hope they do NOT add Imperials and a race betrayal quest in the cash shop or in-game. That would add value to a collectors edition every day that you play the game. I think the value of this collectors edition compared to other a standard box purchase is huge. If I was certain I was going to play ESO I would certainly spring for one. Now if I just knew if the game itself was any damn good. (Although I suspect by the relatively small number of people breaking the NDA that it is fun since people won't risk losing their accounts) I will most likely purchase a collectors edition or two. Lord knows I have enough game purchases in games I no longer play anyway to take a very nice vacation around the world for a month.
(In case you don't get the first paragraph please read anything about the American civil war, the 442nd in WWII or anything else about any other war in history ((the movie 300 even had one)))
The thing I don't understand is if you were planning on playing ESO...wouldn't you pre-order i anyways, so who cares about the pre-order perks?
I understand it goes against what they've said in the past, but it makes sense to me. You have people that were always planning on pre-ordering anyways, they're just trying to get those on the fence to pre-order as well. This is just the typical MMO player complaint these days, and it's no wonder we can't have another WoW. Developers can't please anyone these days. You start by crying about locked races, now you have the option to have open races, and you cry about that.../mindboggled
But back on topic, if you are a business and your customers make enough complaints, you are going to change. ZOS can't just say, oh well they don't know what they really want so we ignore them even though we are adamant that we want it a certain way, otherwise we won't even buy the product. Which brings me to the surveys they send out after beta, so if 70% of beta participants wanted cross faction races and gave that feedback, do you honestly think that ZOS shouldn't have changed it?
They probably will, I would guess it will be one of the first items added to the cash shop when they go Freemium.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
The fact that it goes against every single thing the makers have been saying about why they made the base game the way they did? Or the fact that they once again just slapped players in the face, only not just the biggest TES fans that want a real TES game, but now even DaoC fanboys that were giddy over getting a remake and now have their realm pride crushed under the weight of developers that don't care about them at all either by showing that the design actually is meaningless.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
Nevermind, just going to walk away.
They destroyed alliance war, alliance pride and even their own logo(ring with 3 factions) before starting the game. Explorers pack is the worst thing that could happen to anyone one looking for pvp in cydorill with a little meaning. Faction lock was one of the bigger reasons for play the game, they sold that reason(faction locks) and alliance pride 'like daoc' for more than 2 years and now they kill it in 2 months before release.
Sad day for the long term pvp game retention power, and the worst thing its that is even before of the game realease or the game becomes f2p.
Its my money, I spend it how I WANT TO SPEND IT.
something someone else gets is NOT OK with YOU?
You either be JEALOUS or you PONY UP THE DOUGH.. Alliance race is no more then VANITY.....
VANITY RACE = WHO CARES!
I don't really agree that they destroyed the alliance war and pride. The alliances still have their individual goals and reasons. I didn't pick my faction in ESO because of race, I chose the faction I liked best, based on their approach. Which is intact. Everyone can just choose now. That's just my personal view though :-)
First, they are called Imperials.
Second, they are not just vanity. They include a racial skill line that differentiates them from all the other races.
Feeling like I was going to be forced into a faction because I only ever play Bosmer in ES games was one of the things that's kept me away from this, but tying the removal of this with a pre-order isn't going to get me to buy it sight unseen. If they keep this as a pre-order bonus forever then my problem will remain. Faction locks in something like DAoC are fine, doing it with an IP with a long history of freedom in character creation is just going to turn people off.
As far as other people go, this should make people who play mmos in groups happy as their members won't have to compromise on race to get the whole group in one faction.
haha oh my!
they threw their own faction pride out the window for some preorder cash.
Way to go, Zenimax. Now i dont have to look your way until Bethesda makes TES VI
I think this type of business practice will only hurt the game if ESO's launch is unsuccessful. I understand why everyone is upset at this piece of news. Many of us just want to be able to play the game and play it our own way.
The guild I'm in is apart of the Daggerfall Convenant. The majority of us have been excited about the 5 day early access(HR..I request vacation), Imperial race, and the ability to play any race with any Alliance. We're having the same discussion on our boards, but most of us do not regret purchasing the Imperial Edition. Besides, YOU GET THE EMPEROR'S POCKET GUIDE TO TAMRIEL WITH THE RETAIL VERSION!
Many of you don't care about that anyway. To be honest I don't regret spending my money on it. It just makes me more excited for April. By the way, I thought everyone knew there was going to be a cash shop? It was announced at the end of last summer.
One thing is for sure. If MMORPG.com is blowing up instantly over this than I guess The Elder Scrolls Online is really one of the most anticipated games of 2014.
Blame it on the greedy parent company that's making this game. Everyone wants that Wow money and every mmo that's come out since wow is half arsed. Beth.was right a long time ago about not making an mmo and that's proven right now. I can't wait to read about the mess they made. Talk about a ip having rabid fan's. I just hope it doesn't hurt Beth's Rep.
Assuming they have an open beta at some point, you should be able to play enough then to make an informed purchase decision in time to get the pre-order bonuses, if you like the game.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
That is something only the IP brought on. Without the name, most people wouldn't care a lick because they wouldn't be feeling betrayed.....and this only added a few more on the betrayed side, the ultra diehard DaoC fans that are now losing their fake faction pride and race/faction locks they loved so much because now the idea has been brought down to cheap cash status due to having a way around it.
You know damn well that this will eventually be something a player can buy after release and they need money to make up for loss of subscriptions. It will make the entire DaoC design pointless, not that it wasn't anything but a bad idea anyway.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/