- Ranged combat doesn't feel meaty due to soft locking.
- Character dialogue is one dimensional.
- Outrageous pay gates.
And, a plethora of other small contentions...Many of these things we would commit any other MMORPG to the flames for. But, this isn't your Joe Shmoe MMO. It's the Elder Scrolls. Almost all of the reviewers seem to freely acknowledge that it doesn't work as an MMORPG, as an Elder Scrolls game, Or as a hybrid of the two. And, then they plead that we look at it in some strange light that serves as a hand wave and lets you forgive everything.
I don't think I will be playing the outset. Simply because if I want an Elder Scrolls experience there are better options out there. And, if I want an MMORPG experience -again- There are simply better options out there. If they make changes to it in the future that make it actually agreeable for me as an MMORPG and an Elder Scrolls game. At that point I may pick up the title. But, I won't force myself to like something that I feel is not done nearly as well as it could be. I won't compromise why I play games for the sake of brand loyalty (which is what I feel the reviewers/beta testers & developers/publishers are asking people to do, to much success).
I think you should make your own decisions. Play the beta and see if all these reviewers are correct or not - there are keys everywhere right now.
The big problem of ESO won't be the amount of people buying it at release. Nobody doubts it'll be a huge sale success then.
It's problem will be retention.
Remember, a similar poll about SW:TOR near release would have given similar results. We all know how it ended.
EDIT: oh, and I predict this thread won't last long... just a feeling =P
Yep - it ended with them making millions on their box sales and high initial subs - then millions on the FTP when subs started to decline like they do with every MMO. Same thing will happen here, by design.
Yeah I like it. The first weekend I logged on I was actually a bit meh and barely played it through the Saturday. and I genuinely felt bored. I changed faction from Aldmeri to Daggerfall later in the day and after a few hours of exploring I was finally hooked.
Now I know Aldmeri was meant to be the best starter zone but the reason I think I was bored is I wasnt even playing it like I would play a single player elder scrolls I was just going from quest marker to quest marker and skipping the texts and trying to speed level to 10 to pvp.
On my Daggerfall attempt I explored the coasts for hidden chests, went into dungeons I had no business going to, and it was just generally a lot more fun. Finding a semi hidden trapdoor in a cursed building that led to a unique crafting location was like a genuine "Woah" moment. I leveled at a reasonable pace and I wasnt scraping for quests off of high lvl areas. I also love faction vs faction large scale PVP so when I finally got to try that I was pretty impressed by the smooth gameplay and fun stealth mechanics.
But the thing that I like the most about ESO is it actually feels like an RPG which is missing from practically EVERY mmo I have every played. On a single player rpg I like to search areas for secrets and loot and collectables, equip my character with the best gear I can find and feel like my character is progressing. This I can do. I can then take my character and indulge in faction PVP which can keep me entertained for months..
Really don't like it since I played the beta, but it seems they've attemptes to address the major criticisms people have given so I'll definitely be checking the beta out again this weekend.
The big problem of ESO won't be the amount of people buying it at release. Nobody doubts it'll be a huge sale success then.
It's problem will be retention.
QFT
Once the "oh its new and shiney" wears off people will grow tired of the horrible combat that inhibits the game, then there will be those that realize its just another themepark and they have done it all already many times, the blandness will settle in. Toss in the TES fans that will buy the game just for the name who will leave once they realize they need to keep paying after a month and you will have your mass exodus.
I'll QFT your QFT
I think it's mainly a case of, "Look! A new MMO to play!". So those that are bored with what they are playing now are naturally going to pick this game up until the next one is released, and then the next one,...and so on and so forth. It's fine though, it's their money to spend. I used to be the same way between 2003-2007.
- Ranged combat doesn't feel meaty due to soft locking.
- Character dialogue is one dimensional.
- Outrageous pay gates.
And, a plethora of other small contentions...Many of these things we would commit any other MMORPG to the flames for. But, this isn't your Joe Shmoe MMO. It's the Elder Scrolls. Almost all of the reviewers seem to freely acknowledge that it doesn't work as an MMORPG, as an Elder Scrolls game, Or as a hybrid of the two. And, then they plead that we look at it in some strange light that serves as a hand wave and lets you forgive everything.
I don't think I will be playing the outset. Simply because if I want an Elder Scrolls experience there are better options out there. And, if I want an MMORPG experience -again- There are simply better options out there. If they make changes to it in the future that make it actually agreeable for me as an MMORPG and an Elder Scrolls game. At that point I may pick up the title. But, I won't force myself to like something that I feel is not done nearly as well as it could be. I won't compromise why I play games for the sake of brand loyalty (which is what I feel the reviewers/beta testers & developers/publishers are asking people to do, to much success).
I think you should make your own decisions. Play the beta and see if all these reviewers are correct or not - there are keys everywhere right now.
I am supposed to be able to trust game reviewers to accurately inform me so that I don't make regrettable purchases. The only thing that I may be reasonably expected to do at this stage is gather as much information as possible. Which to my satisfaction I have done.
What I should never be expected to do, is pay for an unfinished product. The beta is invite only. And, invites only go to people who have Pre-Purchased the game (some of them). So, I cannot reasonably try it for myself (in order to validate many informed opinions that re-affirm each other) as I have not pre-purchased the game. Nor should I be expected to. It is absolutely unreasonable for customers to pay a company to test a product. That is not fair consumerism. And, I don't subscribe to the asinine practice of pre-ordering/pre-purchasing, as it is detrimental to the future of better practices in the industry and to the interests of consumers.
Suggesting that I should take what many different reviewers say with a grain of salt (people who are in the beta's at that and who have a long history of good practice in their profession). And, not make any decisions until I try it myself; Is to belittle the work that they do. And, insult my intelligence as a consumer. Because of that I find your comment to be nothing more then unfairly dismissive.
It's alright. There might be enough to get me started. It's missing a lot if social features like politics. I hope that it will hold me until I get more of what I need.
Having played in multiple Beta weekends, I will not be purchasing or playing ESO. I found the combat horribly clunky and unpolished and the general game play very slow. While I did like the slower leveling aspect, I did not care for the lack of fluidity in the mechanics or class builds. It felt like it tried too much to be an Elder Scrolls game and a generic MMO at the same time, and was found wanting in both departments.
- Ranged combat doesn't feel meaty due to soft locking.
- Character dialogue is one dimensional.
- Outrageous pay gates.
And, a plethora of other small contentions...Many of these things we would commit any other MMORPG to the flames for. But, this isn't your Joe Shmoe MMO. It's the Elder Scrolls. Almost all of the reviewers seem to freely acknowledge that it doesn't work as an MMORPG, as an Elder Scrolls game, Or as a hybrid of the two. And, then they plead that we look at it in some strange light that serves as a hand wave and lets you forgive everything.
I don't think I will be playing the outset. Simply because if I want an Elder Scrolls experience there are better options out there. And, if I want an MMORPG experience -again- There are simply better options out there. If they make changes to it in the future that make it actually agreeable for me as an MMORPG and an Elder Scrolls game. At that point I may pick up the title. But, I won't force myself to like something that I feel is not done nearly as well as it could be. I won't compromise why I play games for the sake of brand loyalty (which is what I feel the reviewers/beta testers & developers/publishers are asking people to do, to much success).
That is a pretty spot on summary of what has been and will continue to be all over the Beta forums for ESO. This is not even coming from one biased review, but a large portion of the Beta community is screaming about everything that is listed hoping that the developers will re-evaluate their position. I know no one likes when games are pushed back, but ESO is in dire need of more time to develop into a full fledged game.
- Ranged combat doesn't feel meaty due to soft locking.
- Character dialogue is one dimensional.
- Outrageous pay gates.
And, a plethora of other small contentions...Many of these things we would commit any other MMORPG to the flames for. But, this isn't your Joe Shmoe MMO. It's the Elder Scrolls. Almost all of the reviewers seem to freely acknowledge that it doesn't work as an MMORPG, as an Elder Scrolls game, Or as a hybrid of the two. And, then they plead that we look at it in some strange light that serves as a hand wave and lets you forgive everything.
I don't think I will be playing the outset. Simply because if I want an Elder Scrolls experience there are better options out there. And, if I want an MMORPG experience -again- There are simply better options out there. If they make changes to it in the future that make it actually agreeable for me as an MMORPG and an Elder Scrolls game. At that point I may pick up the title. But, I won't force myself to like something that I feel is not done nearly as well as it could be. I won't compromise why I play games for the sake of brand loyalty (which is what I feel the reviewers/beta testers & developers/publishers are asking people to do, to much success).
That is a pretty spot on summary of what has been and will continue to be all over the Beta forums for ESO. This is not even coming from one biased review, but a large portion of the Beta community is screaming about everything that is listed hoping that the developers will re-evaluate their position. I know no one likes when games are pushed back, but ESO is in dire need of more time to develop into a full fledged game.
I agree that the game simply is not ready; That their launch is premature. I don't think they can reasonably delay it though to work on the game more. They have already over committed and going back on their launch date now, may very well alienate their target audience. Even if the result would be a better game.
They will go to launch as planned (I've at least seen nothing to suggest that they won't). But likely, will be almost forced to make the needed changes over time. This game is probably not going to look the same 1-2 years from now. I think further down the line it will be a more sound purchase. That is not to say I think it will flop out right. Just because it is the Elder Scrolls, it will probably be moderately successful (at least it should have a good out-the-gate influx of players and be able to maintain modest to good subscriptions long term). It is just to say that I have no intention right now of playing it until I see it turn into a game I find to be worth playing.
I don't think I've seen number like this on this site. 73% out of 130+ people say "YES, I will play and pay".
Pretty cool imo.
Polls give bias to the best option presented. They tend to force the answer wanted by the person who creates them by the very way options are phrased (at least well designed polls do). One has to wonder what the results would be if three of the polling options were:
- I like it and I'll pay (happily)
- I like it and I'll pay (with reservations)
- I like it and I'll pay (for lack of a better idea, and because it isn't the absolute worst I have seen).
You might as well be asking me if I liked Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
It comes out the first Friday of April but hey, we saw the trailer. That's enough to say one way or the other.
The answer is that you like it. For no other reason then it is "Captain America". And, it's not okay to dislike it . Also anything you end up not liking about it you are obliged to ignore.
I am supposed to be able to trust game reviewers to accurately inform me so that I don't make regrettable purchases. The only thing that I may be reasonably expected to do at this stage is gather as much information as possible. Which to my satisfaction I have done.
What I should never be expected to do, is pay for an unfinished product. The beta is invite only. And, invites only go to people who have Pre-Purchased the game (some of them). So, I cannot reasonably try it for myself (in order to validate many informed opinions that re-affirm each other) as I have not pre-purchased the game. Nor should I be expected to. It is absolutely unreasonable for customers to pay a company to test a product. That is not fair consumerism. And, I don't subscribe to the asinine practice of pre-ordering/pre-purchasing, as it is detrimental to the future of better practices in the industry and to the interests of consumers.
Suggesting that I should take what many different reviewers say with a grain of salt (people who are in the beta's at that and who have a long history of good practice in their profession). And, not make any decisions until I try it myself; Is to belittle the work that they do. And, insult my intelligence as a consumer. Because of that I find your comment to be nothing more then unfairly dismissive.
Wait, you are talking about ESO right, this site is giving away 25k keys and still has like 2k left. Other sites are giving away keys too. You can be in there and judge it all for yourself on an older build. It won't be the newest because the regular testers are using that one but if you get in now you might stay in and see the build the full time testers are on now before the game comes out.
For the record - I have not pre-ordered. I signed up so late they weren't even taking dxdiags or questionairres and I got in just from applying but I thought I had no shot at all because I wasn't a first signup.
You can not only go this round, you could invite people you want to see the game with. It's practically an unspoken open beta. No NDA either, screenshot or take video - it's all up for grabs.
Yes, there are beta keys. But, from what I have seen you are still required to pre-purchase the game even with a key. On their site after redemption of one of these keys I had found no place to actually access the beta. Only links to their purchase page.
I am supposed to be able to trust game reviewers to accurately inform me so that I don't make regrettable purchases. The only thing that I may be reasonably expected to do at this stage is gather as much information as possible. Which to my satisfaction I have done.
What I should never be expected to do, is pay for an unfinished product. The beta is invite only. And, invites only go to people who have Pre-Purchased the game (some of them). So, I cannot reasonably try it for myself (in order to validate many informed opinions that re-affirm each other) as I have not pre-purchased the game. Nor should I be expected to. It is absolutely unreasonable for customers to pay a company to test a product. That is not fair consumerism. And, I don't subscribe to the asinine practice of pre-ordering/pre-purchasing, as it is detrimental to the future of better practices in the industry and to the interests of consumers.
Suggesting that I should take what many different reviewers say with a grain of salt (people who are in the beta's at that and who have a long history of good practice in their profession). And, not make any decisions until I try it myself; Is to belittle the work that they do. And, insult my intelligence as a consumer. Because of that I find your comment to be nothing more then unfairly dismissive.
Wait, you are talking about ESO right, this site is giving away 25k keys and still has like 2k left. Other sites are giving away keys too. You can be in there and judge it all for yourself on an older build. It won't be the newest because the regular testers are using that one but if you get in now you might stay in and see the build the full time testers are on now before the game comes out.
For the record - I have not pre-ordered. I signed up so late they weren't even taking dxdiags or questionairres and I got in just from applying but I thought I had no shot at all because I wasn't a first signup.
You can not only go this round, you could invite people you want to see the game with. It's practically an unspoken open beta. No NDA either, screenshot or take video - it's all up for grabs.
Yes, there are beta keys. But, from what I have seen you are still required to pre-purchase the game even with a key. On their site after redemption of one of these keys I had found no place to actually access the beta. Only links to their purchase page.
Check your email. The beta download isn't in that section man, because you couldn't find it doesn't mean they are making you pay for the whole game just to get into beta.
Then after you make the account you apply the key you were given - think they call it "redeem a code" or something like that then it will say you have beta access and offer you a link to download the launcher in that screen to start.
I don't know if you will have beta forum access but if you do, it's a different login located over here. That one came in my email, I didn't set it up but it looks like you might be able to enter a code there under "Create One" below the login section. Not every beta key has always had forum access so I have no clue if your key will allow you to get it or not.
If you don't have beta forum access and you want to report a bug in the game you can use /bug to do it in the chat window.
If you don't have beta forum access and you want to make a comment about the game you can use /feedback to do it in the chat window.
Usually within few days after the beta they will send a formal survey out to your email address asking you to rate things and give feedback on specific topics etc.
The /feedback in game they say is for anything you want to offer up to them about gameplay or what you would like but /bug should only be for a problem you find in the game.
Found it....I probably actually need a new machine though given the system recommendations....meh...might be fine.
Up for round two this weekend. Didn't really enjoy it a ton the first go (Quite a while ago now) but seeing all of the updates and such I am willing to give it another chance. I love PvP and I think I will focus on playing mostly that this beta.
Originally posted by Cephus404 It's not really that I don't like, it's that I don't care. I like my Elder Scrolls as a single player game, I really have no interest whatsoever playing online with a bunch of idiots. I'll just wait until the next installment by Bethesda.
I do realize the online game is by Zenimax and not Bethesda, but as far as I understand there is no definite answer to the question : Will there be more single player Elder Scrolls titles? There is rumour that they are working on another Fallout game but Elder Scrolls single player experience might end with Skyrim.
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I think you should make your own decisions. Play the beta and see if all these reviewers are correct or not - there are keys everywhere right now.
Yep - it ended with them making millions on their box sales and high initial subs - then millions on the FTP when subs started to decline like they do with every MMO. Same thing will happen here, by design.
Yeah I like it. The first weekend I logged on I was actually a bit meh and barely played it through the Saturday. and I genuinely felt bored. I changed faction from Aldmeri to Daggerfall later in the day and after a few hours of exploring I was finally hooked.
Now I know Aldmeri was meant to be the best starter zone but the reason I think I was bored is I wasnt even playing it like I would play a single player elder scrolls I was just going from quest marker to quest marker and skipping the texts and trying to speed level to 10 to pvp.
On my Daggerfall attempt I explored the coasts for hidden chests, went into dungeons I had no business going to, and it was just generally a lot more fun. Finding a semi hidden trapdoor in a cursed building that led to a unique crafting location was like a genuine "Woah" moment. I leveled at a reasonable pace and I wasnt scraping for quests off of high lvl areas. I also love faction vs faction large scale PVP so when I finally got to try that I was pretty impressed by the smooth gameplay and fun stealth mechanics.
But the thing that I like the most about ESO is it actually feels like an RPG which is missing from practically EVERY mmo I have every played. On a single player rpg I like to search areas for secrets and loot and collectables, equip my character with the best gear I can find and feel like my character is progressing. This I can do. I can then take my character and indulge in faction PVP which can keep me entertained for months..
Really don't like it since I played the beta, but it seems they've attemptes to address the major criticisms people have given so I'll definitely be checking the beta out again this weekend.
I'll QFT your QFT
I think it's mainly a case of, "Look! A new MMO to play!". So those that are bored with what they are playing now are naturally going to pick this game up until the next one is released, and then the next one,...and so on and so forth. It's fine though, it's their money to spend. I used to be the same way between 2003-2007.
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I am supposed to be able to trust game reviewers to accurately inform me so that I don't make regrettable purchases. The only thing that I may be reasonably expected to do at this stage is gather as much information as possible. Which to my satisfaction I have done.
What I should never be expected to do, is pay for an unfinished product. The beta is invite only. And, invites only go to people who have Pre-Purchased the game (some of them). So, I cannot reasonably try it for myself (in order to validate many informed opinions that re-affirm each other) as I have not pre-purchased the game. Nor should I be expected to. It is absolutely unreasonable for customers to pay a company to test a product. That is not fair consumerism. And, I don't subscribe to the asinine practice of pre-ordering/pre-purchasing, as it is detrimental to the future of better practices in the industry and to the interests of consumers.
Suggesting that I should take what many different reviewers say with a grain of salt (people who are in the beta's at that and who have a long history of good practice in their profession). And, not make any decisions until I try it myself; Is to belittle the work that they do. And, insult my intelligence as a consumer. Because of that I find your comment to be nothing more then unfairly dismissive.
That is a pretty spot on summary of what has been and will continue to be all over the Beta forums for ESO. This is not even coming from one biased review, but a large portion of the Beta community is screaming about everything that is listed hoping that the developers will re-evaluate their position. I know no one likes when games are pushed back, but ESO is in dire need of more time to develop into a full fledged game.
I agree that the game simply is not ready; That their launch is premature. I don't think they can reasonably delay it though to work on the game more. They have already over committed and going back on their launch date now, may very well alienate their target audience. Even if the result would be a better game.
They will go to launch as planned (I've at least seen nothing to suggest that they won't). But likely, will be almost forced to make the needed changes over time. This game is probably not going to look the same 1-2 years from now. I think further down the line it will be a more sound purchase. That is not to say I think it will flop out right. Just because it is the Elder Scrolls, it will probably be moderately successful (at least it should have a good out-the-gate influx of players and be able to maintain modest to good subscriptions long term). It is just to say that I have no intention right now of playing it until I see it turn into a game I find to be worth playing.
I don't think I've seen number like this on this site. 73% out of 130+ people say "YES, I will play and pay".
Pretty cool imo.
Polls give bias to the best option presented. They tend to force the answer wanted by the person who creates them by the very way options are phrased (at least well designed polls do). One has to wonder what the results would be if three of the polling options were:
- I like it and I'll pay (happily)
- I like it and I'll pay (with reservations)
- I like it and I'll pay (for lack of a better idea, and because it isn't the absolute worst I have seen).
You might as well be asking me if I liked Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
It comes out the first Friday of April but hey, we saw the trailer. That's enough to say one way or the other.
The answer is that you like it. For no other reason then it is "Captain America". And, it's not okay to dislike it . Also anything you end up not liking about it you are obliged to ignore.
Yes, there are beta keys. But, from what I have seen you are still required to pre-purchase the game even with a key. On their site after redemption of one of these keys I had found no place to actually access the beta. Only links to their purchase page.
Um, Buy to Play would be a nice choice here.
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Check your email. The beta download isn't in that section man, because you couldn't find it doesn't mean they are making you pay for the whole game just to get into beta.
Found it....I probably actually need a new machine though given the system recommendations....meh...might be fine.
Wish there was an "Undecided" vote button.
Up for round two this weekend. Didn't really enjoy it a ton the first go (Quite a while ago now) but seeing all of the updates and such I am willing to give it another chance. I love PvP and I think I will focus on playing mostly that this beta.
I do realize the online game is by Zenimax and not Bethesda, but as far as I understand there is no definite answer to the question : Will there be more single player Elder Scrolls titles? There is rumour that they are working on another Fallout game but Elder Scrolls single player experience might end with Skyrim.