Originally posted by rogue187 Your all being children now..the games a short life themepark..let them throw their money at it...doubt it equal the..what..200mil they spent on it? Really wish they went sandbox with this
and this helps how? I'd like a sandbox also .....and warm winters in Canada ...and the Toronto Maple Leafs to be the best team in the NHL , but reality is I'm not getting any of those things ,,,so life goes on
yep..reality. you get ES skinned GW2...what i said does'nt help..it's just the truth
Originally posted by LordZeik Why do I get the impression that ESO is only a bad game to these people because it isn't a f2p cash shop Iwinfest? Granted if you lose in pvp you can't say the other dude spent thousands of dollars. We're less than twelve hours to go for ESO. Hopefully this game strikes a huge victory against the f2p market that has sullied our mmorpgs for all these years. >_<
I agree for the most part but I find the most vocal of the f2p fans are the ones who simply want to play for free because, let's be honest, they are cheap asses. F2p is a myth, proven over and over again, someone HAS to pay and every single f2p model depends of the minority paying the vast majority of the money. F2p players who do not pay anything or less than what a sub is are nothing more than free loaders. Development will focus around those who pay (which is reflected in the cash shop and gating of content).
Basically all these troll posts about players complaining about a sub are a bunch of self entitled people demanding something for nothing. Those who actually pay in a f2p game often pay far more a month than a sub and even though they should be more vocal they usually are not because of threat of flack from posters insulting them for spending so much money on a game (how someone else spends their money bothers then I have no clue ... they obviously think $15 a month is too expensive so spending $25+ a month on a game must blow their minds). F2p free-loaders will continue to go out and spend $20+ on fast food and junk food for an evening or weekend while they play and continue to whine about having to actually pay for game services.
I have no idea if the sub model will be successful for ESO as it is a big budget game expected to host tons of players to be deemed successful. I still believe a sub only game is the ONLY payment model to support a smaller, very strong community mmorpg. Smaller budget games which stick around due to it's game community may be the best application for the a sub in the long run. It isn't the mmo model that often leads to failure, it is the developers expectations that their niche game can attract a larger audience than it should. A smaller, stronger community is better for success and big companies fail to see this each and every time.
Originally posted by rogue187 Your all being children now..the games a short life themepark..let them throw their money at it...doubt it equal the..what..200mil they spent on it? Really wish they went sandbox with this
and this helps how? I'd like a sandbox also .....and warm winters in Canada ...and the Toronto Maple Leafs to be the best team in the NHL , but reality is I'm not getting any of those things ,,,so life goes on
yep..reality. you get ES skinned GW2...what i said does'nt help..it's just the truth
Hmm that would imply it plays like GW2, has no persistent PVP enemy, would have a world based around dynamic events, as well as story content completely removed from the main experience. None of these would be true statements.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by rogue187 Your all being children now..the games a short life themepark..let them throw their money at it...doubt it equal the..what..200mil they spent on it? Really wish they went sandbox with this
and this helps how? I'd like a sandbox also .....and warm winters in Canada ...and the Toronto Maple Leafs to be the best team in the NHL , but reality is I'm not getting any of those things ,,,so life goes on
yep..reality. you get ES skinned GW2...what i said does'nt help..it's just the truth
Hmm that would imply it plays like GW2, has no persistent PVP enemy, would have a world based around dynamic events, as well as story content completely removed from the main experience. None of these would be true statements.
what is true, is nothing that that happens in cyrodiil..ACTUALLY matters
Originally posted by rogue187 Your all being children now..the games a short life themepark..let them throw their money at it...doubt it equal the..what..200mil they spent on it? Really wish they went sandbox with this
and this helps how? I'd like a sandbox also .....and warm winters in Canada ...and the Toronto Maple Leafs to be the best team in the NHL , but reality is I'm not getting any of those things ,,,so life goes on
yep..reality. you get ES skinned GW2...what i said does'nt help..it's just the truth
Hmm that would imply it plays like GW2, has no persistent PVP enemy, would have a world based around dynamic events, as well as story content completely removed from the main experience. None of these would be true statements.
what is true, is nothing that that happens in cyrodiil..ACTUALLY matters
LOL what's even more true is that ESO and every other mmo are just games for fun ...and sorry to break it to you, none of them will actually" Really Matter" to anything
try a trade run in RU AA..or your first day in Rust...official server. then tell me what pvp is..my 7 runs in cyrodiil was gw2 all over again...with longer run times..boring and zerg and lag, praise it all u like
Lol, I could care less if it s F2P, I think the game is crap. I m so confused how people can t see that not everyone will like TESO, lol.
I don't know about you...It's generally considered bad form where I come from to consider something crap because it's not to your tastes. WOW is a game I dislike, that doesn't make it a bad game, to think so would make me a rather self centered person IMO. It's just not my style. Another example being, I don't like country music, nor gansta rap, yet there are many acts who perform such music who have great talent. It's not hard to look past preference and see quality. It's really not about liking different things, it's about seeing past your own personal beliefs when judging things. Regardless of the styles you prefer. Anything else is putting far too much weight behind your own opinion.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Lol, I could care less if it s F2P, I think the game is crap. I m so confused how people can t see that not everyone will like TESO, lol.
I don't know about you...It's generally considered bad form where I come from to consider something crap because it's not to your tastes. WOW is a game I dislike, that doesn't make it a bad game, to think so would make me a rather self centered person IMO. It's just not my style. Another example being, I don't like country music, nor gansta rap, yet there are many acts who perform such music who have great talent. It's not hard to look past preference and see quality. It's really not about liking different things, it's about seeing past your own personal beliefs when judging things. Regardless of the styles you prefer. Anything else is putting far too much weight behind your own opinion.
+1 WoW does suck ....just for most of us it hasn't been an issue for the last 7 years or so
Originally posted by rogue187 Your all being children now..the games a short life themepark..let them throw their money at it...doubt it equal the..what..200mil they spent on it? Really wish they went sandbox with this
and this helps how? I'd like a sandbox also .....and warm winters in Canada ...and the Toronto Maple Leafs to be the best team in the NHL , but reality is I'm not getting any of those things ,,,so life goes on
yep..reality. you get ES skinned GW2...what i said does'nt help..it's just the truth
Hmm that would imply it plays like GW2, has no persistent PVP enemy, would have a world based around dynamic events, as well as story content completely removed from the main experience. None of these would be true statements.
what is true, is nothing that that happens in cyrodiil..ACTUALLY matters
LOL what's even more true is that ESO and every other mmo are just games for fun ...and sorry to break it to you, none of them will actually" Really Matter" to anything
if the goal is a quick rush kill play BF3 bro...fun equates differently to different ppl, if ur cool with a pat on the back and a badge ESO is up your alley...i wish the game well, it just doesn't provide anything dynamic
Originally posted by rogue187 Your all being children now..the games a short life themepark..let them throw their money at it...doubt it equal the..what..200mil they spent on it? Really wish they went sandbox with this
and this helps how? I'd like a sandbox also .....and warm winters in Canada ...and the Toronto Maple Leafs to be the best team in the NHL , but reality is I'm not getting any of those things ,,,so life goes on
yep..reality. you get ES skinned GW2...what i said does'nt help..it's just the truth
Hmm that would imply it plays like GW2, has no persistent PVP enemy, would have a world based around dynamic events, as well as story content completely removed from the main experience. None of these would be true statements.
what is true, is nothing that that happens in cyrodiil..ACTUALLY matters
Tons of things that happen within Cyrodiil matters. It is a self-contained system within the game of ESO. It isn't meant to affect the pve world that much. You are making a complaint based upon what YOU want out of the game instead on what the game actually is. Think of the futility of your argument for a moment.
Originally posted by rogue187 try a trade run in RU AA..or your first day in Rust...official server. then tell me what pvp is..my 7 runs in cyrodiil was gw2 all over again...with longer run times..boring and zerg and lag, praise it all u like
Hmm that would imply it plays like GW2, has no persistent PVP enemy, would have a world based around dynamic events, as well as story content completely removed from the main experience. None of these would be true statements.
what is true, is nothing that that happens in cyrodiil..ACTUALLY matters
Hmm what do you mean by "matters"? IN SWG nothing "mattered" from a design stand point, that didn't make it meaningless to those participating, on a guild level everything mattered that was going on. Great fun came of that.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by rogue187 Your all being children now..the games a short life themepark..let them throw their money at it...doubt it equal the..what..200mil they spent on it? Really wish they went sandbox with this
and this helps how? I'd like a sandbox also .....and warm winters in Canada ...and the Toronto Maple Leafs to be the best team in the NHL , but reality is I'm not getting any of those things ,,,so life goes on
yep..reality. you get ES skinned GW2...what i said does'nt help..it's just the truth
Hmm that would imply it plays like GW2, has no persistent PVP enemy, would have a world based around dynamic events, as well as story content completely removed from the main experience. None of these would be true statements.
what is true, is nothing that that happens in cyrodiil..ACTUALLY matters
LOL what's even more true is that ESO and every other mmo are just games for fun ...and sorry to break it to you, none of them will actually" Really Matter" to anything
if the goal is a quick rush kill play BF3 bro...fun equates differently to different ppl, if ur cool with a pat on the back and a badge ESO is up your alley...i wish the game well, it just doesn't provide anything dynamic
Continue with your rubbish .. it is very entertaining.
if the goal is a quick rush kill play BF3 bro...fun equates differently to different ppl, if ur cool with a pat on the back and a badge ESO is up your alley...i wish the game well, it just doesn't provide anything dynamic
PVP game-play is always "dynamic" especially in the typical gaming design usage of that word...it's certainly not the opposite in gaming lingo...Static..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by rogue187 Your all being children now..the games a short life themepark..let them throw their money at it...doubt it equal the..what..200mil they spent on it? Really wish they went sandbox with this
and this helps how? I'd like a sandbox also .....and warm winters in Canada ...and the Toronto Maple Leafs to be the best team in the NHL , but reality is I'm not getting any of those things ,,,so life goes on
yep..reality. you get ES skinned GW2...what i said does'nt help..it's just the truth
Hmm that would imply it plays like GW2, has no persistent PVP enemy, would have a world based around dynamic events, as well as story content completely removed from the main experience. None of these would be true statements.
what is true, is nothing that that happens in cyrodiil..ACTUALLY matters
Tons of things that happen within Cyrodiil matters. It is a self-contained system within the game of ESO. It isn't meant to affect the pve world that much. You are making a complaint based upon what YOU want out of the game instead on what the game actually is. Think of the futility of your argument for a moment.
so your argument is that its an instance..wowsers, that makes anyone wanting owpvp wanna play this more..and ya, what i wanted is what started this arguement..i apoligize..only "going with the grain" is accepted here..fuck you, its my opinion
Originally posted by Gestankfaust Saying a game is very bad...when you know it isn't is a lie. Any other opinion comes from and agenda. Only Asshats spit forth false opinions. Just funny to see an argument here about this...as if it had "sides" to the argument.
Ofcourse there are sides. Its called good and bad. And both are valid opinions.
Don't know why you are getting so upset though. Hardly any need for name calling.
What name calling? If you are blatantly labeling a game as something you have no idea about or have an agenda against....you are a moron.
Why are why we so afraid of calling out such people now days?
Because it makes you look like an immature brat? now if someone abused your mother i would understand your outburst but over video game? nah not cool.
And on top of that its against forum rules to indulge in name calling.
Yes others think ESO is a bad game... you act as if that is a shocker or something. Not everyone likes the same thing.
You have issues.....if a person is a liar...then they are called a liar. How this makes me seem like an immature brat falls on you I spose.
Anyone that says a game like ESO is a terrible game...is a liar...PERIOD! You can not like it, but the "opinion" stops there.
i think there are design choices and elements of ESO that are bad, i also think that some things are kind of fun. i'm going to be playing the game anyway in like 9.5 hours or whatever it is now... i am not lying some of the game is bad some of it is ok, it's my opinion, it doesnt make me a liar.
Originally posted by Gestankfaust Saying a game is very bad...when you know it isn't is a lie. Any other opinion comes from and agenda. Only Asshats spit forth false opinions. Just funny to see an argument here about this...as if it had "sides" to the argument.
Ofcourse there are sides. Its called good and bad. And both are valid opinions.
Don't know why you are getting so upset though. Hardly any need for name calling.
What name calling? If you are blatantly labeling a game as something you have no idea about or have an agenda against....you are a moron.
Why are why we so afraid of calling out such people now days?
Because it makes you look like an immature brat? now if someone abused your mother i would understand your outburst but over video game? nah not cool.
And on top of that its against forum rules to indulge in name calling.
Yes others think ESO is a bad game... you act as if that is a shocker or something. Not everyone likes the same thing.
You have issues.....if a person is a liar...then they are called a liar. How this makes me seem like an immature brat falls on you I spose.
Anyone that says a game like ESO is a terrible game...is a liar...PERIOD! You can not like it, but the "opinion" stops there.
i think there are design choices and elements of ESO that are bad, i also think that some things are kind of fun. i'm going to be playing the game anyway in like 9.5 hours or whatever it is now... i am not lying some of the game is bad some of it is ok, it's my opinion, it doesnt make me a liar.
I do not think you are a liar ... just a person who chooses their words and methods of expression poorly. That is far worse and you fail to see it. To be a liar you must first know the truth. They at least have that going for them.
Originally posted by rogue187 Your all being children now..the games a short life themepark..let them throw their money at it...doubt it equal the..what..200mil they spent on it? Really wish they went sandbox with this
and this helps how? I'd like a sandbox also .....and warm winters in Canada ...and the Toronto Maple Leafs to be the best team in the NHL , but reality is I'm not getting any of those things ,,,so life goes on
yep..reality. you get ES skinned GW2...what i said does'nt help..it's just the truth
Hmm that would imply it plays like GW2, has no persistent PVP enemy, would have a world based around dynamic events, as well as story content completely removed from the main experience. None of these would be true statements.
what is true, is nothing that that happens in cyrodiil..ACTUALLY matters
LOL what's even more true is that ESO and every other mmo are just games for fun ...and sorry to break it to you, none of them will actually" Really Matter" to anything
if the goal is a quick rush kill play BF3 bro...fun equates differently to different ppl, if ur cool with a pat on the back and a badge ESO is up your alley...i wish the game well, it just doesn't provide anything dynamic
Continue with your rubbish .. it is very entertaining.
if the goal is a quick rush kill play BF3 bro...fun equates differently to different ppl, if ur cool with a pat on the back and a badge ESO is up your alley...i wish the game well, it just doesn't provide anything dynamic
PVP game-play is always "dynamic" especially in the typical gaming design usage of that word...it's certainly not the opposite in gaming lingo...Static..
Originally posted by rogue187 try a trade run in RU AA..or your first day in Rust...official server. then tell me what pvp is..my 7 runs in cyrodiil was gw2 all over again...with longer run times..boring and zerg and lag, praise it all u like
Originally posted by Gestankfaust Saying a game is very bad...when you know it isn't is a lie. Any other opinion comes from and agenda. Only Asshats spit forth false opinions. Just funny to see an argument here about this...as if it had "sides" to the argument.
Ofcourse there are sides. Its called good and bad. And both are valid opinions.
Don't know why you are getting so upset though. Hardly any need for name calling.
What name calling? If you are blatantly labeling a game as something you have no idea about or have an agenda against....you are a moron.
Why are why we so afraid of calling out such people now days?
Because it makes you look like an immature brat? now if someone abused your mother i would understand your outburst but over video game? nah not cool.
And on top of that its against forum rules to indulge in name calling.
Yes others think ESO is a bad game... you act as if that is a shocker or something. Not everyone likes the same thing.
You have issues.....if a person is a liar...then they are called a liar. How this makes me seem like an immature brat falls on you I spose.
Anyone that says a game like ESO is a terrible game...is a liar...PERIOD! You can not like it, but the "opinion" stops there.
i think there are design choices and elements of ESO that are bad, i also think that some things are kind of fun. i'm going to be playing the game anyway in like 9.5 hours or whatever it is now... i am not lying some of the game is bad some of it is ok, it's my opinion, it doesnt make me a liar.
I do not think you are a liar ... just a person who chooses their words and methods of expression poorly. That is far worse and you fail to see it. To be a liar you must first know the truth. They at least have that going for them.
that is by far the worst reply ever, i know how i feel about certain aspects of the game and that is my truth. i express myself fine, i find some elements good and bad, that is the truth in my opinion.
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Down with f2p!
We do not have to accept $$ to gold conversions. We do not have to accept systems built to guide us to greedy cash shops!
Long live p2p!
yep..reality. you get ES skinned GW2...what i said does'nt help..it's just the truth
+1 totally agree
I agree for the most part but I find the most vocal of the f2p fans are the ones who simply want to play for free because, let's be honest, they are cheap asses. F2p is a myth, proven over and over again, someone HAS to pay and every single f2p model depends of the minority paying the vast majority of the money. F2p players who do not pay anything or less than what a sub is are nothing more than free loaders. Development will focus around those who pay (which is reflected in the cash shop and gating of content).
Basically all these troll posts about players complaining about a sub are a bunch of self entitled people demanding something for nothing. Those who actually pay in a f2p game often pay far more a month than a sub and even though they should be more vocal they usually are not because of threat of flack from posters insulting them for spending so much money on a game (how someone else spends their money bothers then I have no clue ... they obviously think $15 a month is too expensive so spending $25+ a month on a game must blow their minds). F2p free-loaders will continue to go out and spend $20+ on fast food and junk food for an evening or weekend while they play and continue to whine about having to actually pay for game services.
I have no idea if the sub model will be successful for ESO as it is a big budget game expected to host tons of players to be deemed successful. I still believe a sub only game is the ONLY payment model to support a smaller, very strong community mmorpg. Smaller budget games which stick around due to it's game community may be the best application for the a sub in the long run. It isn't the mmo model that often leads to failure, it is the developers expectations that their niche game can attract a larger audience than it should. A smaller, stronger community is better for success and big companies fail to see this each and every time.
You stay sassy!
Hmm that would imply it plays like GW2, has no persistent PVP enemy, would have a world based around dynamic events, as well as story content completely removed from the main experience. None of these would be true statements.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
what is true, is nothing that that happens in cyrodiil..ACTUALLY matters
LOL what's even more true is that ESO and every other mmo are just games for fun ...and sorry to break it to you, none of them will actually" Really Matter" to anything
I don't know about you...It's generally considered bad form where I come from to consider something crap because it's not to your tastes. WOW is a game I dislike, that doesn't make it a bad game, to think so would make me a rather self centered person IMO. It's just not my style. Another example being, I don't like country music, nor gansta rap, yet there are many acts who perform such music who have great talent. It's not hard to look past preference and see quality. It's really not about liking different things, it's about seeing past your own personal beliefs when judging things. Regardless of the styles you prefer. Anything else is putting far too much weight behind your own opinion.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
+1 WoW does suck ....just for most of us it hasn't been an issue for the last 7 years or so
if the goal is a quick rush kill play BF3 bro...fun equates differently to different ppl, if ur cool with a pat on the back and a badge ESO is up your alley...i wish the game well, it just doesn't provide anything dynamic
Tons of things that happen within Cyrodiil matters. It is a self-contained system within the game of ESO. It isn't meant to affect the pve world that much. You are making a complaint based upon what YOU want out of the game instead on what the game actually is. Think of the futility of your argument for a moment.
You stay sassy!
Tell us the way it is Rouge
Hmm what do you mean by "matters"? IN SWG nothing "mattered" from a design stand point, that didn't make it meaningless to those participating, on a guild level everything mattered that was going on. Great fun came of that.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Continue with your rubbish .. it is very entertaining.
PVP game-play is always "dynamic" especially in the typical gaming design usage of that word...it's certainly not the opposite in gaming lingo...Static..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
so your argument is that its an instance..wowsers, that makes anyone wanting owpvp wanna play this more..and ya, what i wanted is what started this arguement..i apoligize..only "going with the grain" is accepted here..fuck you, its my opinion
"If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor
i think there are design choices and elements of ESO that are bad, i also think that some things are kind of fun. i'm going to be playing the game anyway in like 9.5 hours or whatever it is now... i am not lying some of the game is bad some of it is ok, it's my opinion, it doesnt make me a liar.
This is oddly deep and poetic at the same time!
You stay sassy!
I do not think you are a liar ... just a person who chooses their words and methods of expression poorly. That is far worse and you fail to see it. To be a liar you must first know the truth. They at least have that going for them.
You stay sassy!
continue with your insight..oh..there isn't any
exactly
harsh..makes you aprecciate things
that is by far the worst reply ever, i know how i feel about certain aspects of the game and that is my truth. i express myself fine, i find some elements good and bad, that is the truth in my opinion.