Originally posted by Betaguy Worse than GW2 for me, won't be playing.
Great context to the conversation. /sarcasm
Seriously, people, if all you're going to do is come into this thread with a one-liner complaint about the game, just please don't post at all.
And no, "too cartoony" is not feedback, nor justifiable conversation. In fact, if you don't like "cartoony" games, why are you posting on the forums for Wildstar --even going as far as bothering reading posts in its forums-- when you know the game is cartoony?
I'm going to be on the bandwagon of this game; and it's going to be my new MMO main. No, I'm not quitting GW2 but instead it will supplement this game. It's just that there are many things that Wildstar has that GW2 doesnt: sharded (individual server) economy with rare recipes, gear progression, player housing, mounts, and a few others. GW2's WvW system is very fun and still enjoyable to this day, which is why I log in and play it. The story was great to play through with multiple characters towards level 50, but the PvE Living Story kind of got butchered after September of last year; eventually boiled down to nothing more than zerg-trains on whatever content was there (*Correction*: Okay, so the Twisted Tower was different with it's dungeon at the top of the thing and the inner part was tiered in a way that encouraged multiple groups on each level).
I can easily get past the cartoon look of Wildstar as it is actually a complementing aesthetic to the humorous atmosphere the game exudes. [Besides being a fan of TF2 and many Japanese anime series.] The thing that they get right is that their textures don't look stretched and their art style is perfectly transformed into the game's world; that cannot be equally said for a more recently launched MMO that has some areas so stretched that their pixels are showing (horribly, I might add).
Oddly, my concern about this game is not the game. It's the players. I'm not even sure who the game is supposed to be marketed to. Wow players? I played the beta. The leveling is standard questing which I'm fine with. When I look at the vids of the crazy raid boss fights I think it looks fun, but then I remember most mmo players aren't amazing gamers with great reflexes. They're that person who can't pay enough attention to interrupt and will stand in that exact same fire they've been told a 100 times to get out of.
Vanilla wow was not hard. Getting 40 people to not screw up is hard. Back then there were still a lot of assholes but nothing compared to the post-wow mainstream mmo community. I can only imagine how horrible the community in Wildstar could become.
But...I'll try it because I looks good enough to give it a shot.
Carbine has stated i lost count of how many times...Wildstar is for the the hardcore of the hardcore...and people who want to get loot are going to have to put i the work like everyone else there is no future plans to put in any form of a LFR...so if your a extreme casual then you prob wont like it....but if you do pvp at end game they have stated they match people based off rank and gear in pvp
1. Let's see how long it takes until they backpaddle with full speed from that.
2. With only 4 dungeons i wouldn't spend resources and manpower on a LFR tool, too.
I hope they pull it off anyway, the genre needed a title with staying power 5 years ago.
Reading different opinions on Wilstar, its so clearly apparent that the consensus is definitely split.. You either love it.. Or you hate it. I haven't seen to many fence sitters, or at least not many that are posting.
I will be honest. When I first got to play the WS beta, on a friends account.. Meh..Did not like it at all. Played 30 min and uninstalled it. To Cartoony for me, plus I got to play TESO beta and loved it. Then a strange thing happened. After playing the TESO Beta for many many hours, I realized I honestly just didn't like the style of game that it was. Dont get me wrong, there are some incredible things about TESO, but it wasn't "My Style", so I uninstalled it. This left me with a quandary. What do now.
So I went back to Wildstar. Since I didn't have a whole lot of options, I figured I would give it til level 10 and then decide. After playing Wildstar I realized it was what I had been looking for. A Game that has both PvE and PvP content, Solid Crafting, and even some things I hadnt seen before..
I was hooked.
Now as Im having withdrawals and reading anything I can find on Wildstar, one thing is apparent.
Wilstar will be one of the most complete MMOs to release in many many years.. If not since WoW.
I was reading an article today from Pax East and it made me giddy. Here is just a simple statement that made the game that much better for me.
Artifacts So you have epic (purple) and legendary (orange) items, but there's also "epics" -- aka pinks. Artifacts are the best of the best. Each class has two types of artifact weapons, one for assault and one for support. Everybody has the ability to earn their artifact weapon assuming they are able to participate in the most difficult content in WildStar. Artifact items have really, really good stats, but if you want to unlock the full potential of these items you are going to have to do some "really crazy" stuff. For example, one artifact quest will require you to kill two 40-person bosses at one time
I mean seriously, how much fun does that sound like.. You have to kill 2 40 man raid bosses at a time to get your artifact weapon. That sounds like its going to be a blast.
Now the question remains.
Are you going to be on the Bandwagon from launch?
Or
Are you going to be one of those who is behind the curve because you waited til you hear from everyone how epic the game is?
The Choice is Yours.
Hehehe behind the curve, really you care that much about some pixels?
While I have no doubt WS is gonna be more tailored to the wow and raiding crowd which generally feels the need to be max level in 2 weeks I'll pass
Originally I had thought of giving WS a try but the beta was uninspiring, and in all honesty having way to much fun in TESO to have time to play WS even if I did enjoy raiding, which in all honesty is just a time sink to me where you wait around for 40 people to finally get their shit together so you can spend another 2 hours hoping someone doesn't pull a Leeroy Jenkins and wipe the raid so you might get a 10% chance of a blue (or PIINK!) pixel dropping that you then have to roll on repeat till your eyes bleed. YMMV, have fun we all have a game we can get into so that's cool.
Wilstar will be one of the most complete MMOs to release in many many years.. If not since WoW.
Um... before I address the thread.... I had to address this point. You do realize WoW wasn't very complete when it launched right? To the point WoW would of been blasted and burned for being a rather poor launch both having many issues plaguing it, as well as lacking actual content to do. A lot of modern games have done VASTLY more then what wow had at launch (pretty much every triple A MMO released). Seriously, it was HORRIBLE compare to the standards we have today.
As far as WIldstar goes, as someone who loves wildstar and enjoys it... I'm sorry but your going overboard with it. its a fun game and all, but its just silly to have that absolute "Its epic, your either in or late". It has a lot coming with it, but it also has its own flaws. I do feel it has the ability to be a really strong MMo and that I feel many who give it a chance who stop with the childish "But its all cartoony, I don't want people to think I'm a little kid!" might find the game very enjoyable, but that won't be everyone.
NO bandwagon is good to jump on out of the gate. As much as I want people to play the game and I feel its great, its not good to just blindly jump onto an MMo. Your throwing money at something you might not potentially like if you just blindly follow along. If your on the fence there is no reason to jump on the other side until your comfortable enough to do so. Just cause you start late won't ruin your chances of getting anywhere in the game, its not a sandbox. The bandwagon fallacy is a terrible one for the consumer. Join because you enjoy the idea (ideally after trying it) and because you believe in the company. Don't just join in since "Everyone is doing it".
What little interest i had in this game went right out the window when they did the whole breast size reduction thing. Now, thats not because im some proponent of slapping huge tits on female characters in games, but the fact that they caved to a bunch of whiney ass social justice warriors who were making a big deal out of something that wasnt even remotely a big deal.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
Originally posted by Hrimnir What little interest i had in this game went right out the window when they did the whole breast size reduction thing. Now, thats not because im some proponent of slapping huge tits on female characters in games, but the fact that they caved to a bunch of whiney ass social justice warriors who were making a big deal out of something that wasnt even remotely a big deal.
I do hope that the new character body customisations that came with the recent patch bring some more boobs with them, we'll see on friday.
@Hrimnir - yea, the WHOLE game rests on cup size... Yea, good luck with that, I'm sure There's a developer out there that won't let you down and cave in to those nasty tit-police.
Aside from that; W* has pleanty for raiders and non-raiders alike. Will you be busy - yep, will you find it amazing, life changing and genre changing - meh? Probably not.
My hopes were high, but now I'm not expecting anything but a good game to explore.
Also, I think they'll forgo the LFR for quite some time. I expect many shoutouts in game to keep it going, but you will see the hardcore group way ahead and plowing/farming content within the first 2 weeks.
Although the game looks interesting to me and I more than likely would love the game, I will not be playing anything related to NC Soft. I can still feel the sting of how they treated us Tabula Rasa fans/players.
I am interested, but the combat is very similar to gw2 and I don't see enough in the game to pay a sub. I'll give it a few months or until B2P model drops.
Played it and didn't like it. My friend was letting me play it as his place and trying to pawn off his copy on me to recoup his funds. I could not justify paying a sub for this game in any way, shape or form.
My reaction to the game is the opposite of the OP. I as really enjoying the game until I got into the teens and then i started feeling the gear grind and the PvP grind and it was WoW all over again.... Plus I started noticing that the world although very noisy is actually really static as far as NPC/Player interaction goes....real similar to SWTOR in this regards....
I wish there was a way to to go back and see how many people hate it now, but in a few months are playing it.
Or go back and see who are talking bout the game likes its the greatest thing since sliced bread but in a few months have stopped playing.... like every new shiney that comes along.
And I can really care less bout WS. Playing AoW3 now, n various tantilizing single player games are coming out think I'll be able to forget bout MMOs for a while, plus just really don't have the time commitment anymore for em.
Originally posted by Xasapis The game also, from my point of view, doesn't seem to have any defining feature, which is another reason I feel my decision to skip this one feels justified.
Huh? What do you mean?
It has loads of different kinds of PvE and loads of different kinds of PvP.
It has a very defining combat system as well as a monstrous housing system.
Wildstar pretty much has all the defining features of a VERY complete themepark MMO.
No it does not, it has nothing new at all, warplots are just there version of WoW battlegrounds. PvE is just rehashed quest hub PvE, and Housing is still instanced and well its the same as any other game that has it.
Combat is not new, it takes aspects from other games.
I am sorry but this game is catered to one demographic... Raiders, enjoy the raids, i am seriously 100% behind Raiders having there game, i just will not support it, and neither will alot of my friends and family that i game with, it is not appealing to me to have a new game come out, focused around 40 man raids.
Tell me all you want that i don't have to do the raids if i don't want to, but why play the game then if i do not engage in the defining aspect this game promoting ?
Carbine wants to make this game for hardcore raiders, that's fine, i have no qualms about that, but they cannot expect other types of players to be interested in a game that promotes same old same old, and tries to repackage it all as NEW !! EXCITING !! REFRESHING !!
As i stated in another post in this thread i do not mind smaller raid sizes 20 man or less, but 40 man is work, and i want fun not work.
I really, really want to like this game but I cannot get into it. Just doesn't click with me anymore. I think it started with me thinking this would be a multi-planetary mmo with non instance housing. That was a long, long time ago though. Before I got into beta. Man that first beta was rough...tried a few more times a few months ago but the screen seemed a bit too busy. The colors they use and the sheer amount of info they're trying to present doesn't mix well. Like everything is kinda washed together. Was gonna at least pick up the collector's ed though, until I found out they're forgoing a physical box....bleh.
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Originally posted by Xasapis The game also, from my point of view, doesn't seem to have any defining feature, which is another reason I feel my decision to skip this one feels justified.
Huh? What do you mean?
It has loads of different kinds of PvE and loads of different kinds of PvP.
It has a very defining combat system as well as a monstrous housing system.
Wildstar pretty much has all the defining features of a VERY complete themepark MMO.
No it does not, it has nothing new at all, warplots are just there version of WoW battlegrounds. PvE is just rehashed quest hub PvE, and Housing is still instanced and well its the same as any other game that has it.
Combat is not new, it takes aspects from other games.
I am sorry but this game is catered to one demographic... Raiders, enjoy the raids, i am seriously 100% behind Raiders having there game, i just will not support it, and neither will alot of my friends and family that i game with, it is not appealing to me to have a new game come out, focused around 40 man raids.
Tell me all you want that i don't have to do the raids if i don't want to, but why play the game then if i do not engage in the defining aspect this game promoting ?
Carbine wants to make this game for hardcore raiders, that's fine, i have no qualms about that, but they cannot expect other types of players to be interested in a game that promotes same old same old, and tries to repackage it all as NEW !! EXCITING !! REFRESHING !!
As i stated in another post in this thread i do not mind smaller raid sizes 20 man or less, but 40 man is work, and i want fun not work.
Defining features and brand new stuff that no one has ever done before are two different things. That being said, this plentiful mix of features, polish and a focus on fun has never been done before in an MMORPG. WoW did something similar and it is the most successful MMORPG that has ever existed.
What exactly are you looking for? I have a feeling that you'll be waiting a loooooong time if you are looking for a game that does everything brand new and never before seen, but it also has to fit into the MMORPG genre.
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Great context to the conversation. /sarcasm
Seriously, people, if all you're going to do is come into this thread with a one-liner complaint about the game, just please don't post at all.
And no, "too cartoony" is not feedback, nor justifiable conversation. In fact, if you don't like "cartoony" games, why are you posting on the forums for Wildstar --even going as far as bothering reading posts in its forums-- when you know the game is cartoony?
I'm going to be on the bandwagon of this game; and it's going to be my new MMO main. No, I'm not quitting GW2 but instead it will supplement this game. It's just that there are many things that Wildstar has that GW2 doesnt: sharded (individual server) economy with rare recipes, gear progression, player housing, mounts, and a few others. GW2's WvW system is very fun and still enjoyable to this day, which is why I log in and play it. The story was great to play through with multiple characters towards level 50, but the PvE Living Story kind of got butchered after September of last year; eventually boiled down to nothing more than zerg-trains on whatever content was there (*Correction*: Okay, so the Twisted Tower was different with it's dungeon at the top of the thing and the inner part was tiered in a way that encouraged multiple groups on each level).
I can easily get past the cartoon look of Wildstar as it is actually a complementing aesthetic to the humorous atmosphere the game exudes. [Besides being a fan of TF2 and many Japanese anime series.] The thing that they get right is that their textures don't look stretched and their art style is perfectly transformed into the game's world; that cannot be equally said for a more recently launched MMO that has some areas so stretched that their pixels are showing (horribly, I might add).
I'll be missing it.
This game brings nothing good to the table. I would rather go play WoW instead which Wildstar tries to copy but fails hard.
Oddly, my concern about this game is not the game. It's the players. I'm not even sure who the game is supposed to be marketed to. Wow players? I played the beta. The leveling is standard questing which I'm fine with. When I look at the vids of the crazy raid boss fights I think it looks fun, but then I remember most mmo players aren't amazing gamers with great reflexes. They're that person who can't pay enough attention to interrupt and will stand in that exact same fire they've been told a 100 times to get out of.
Vanilla wow was not hard. Getting 40 people to not screw up is hard. Back then there were still a lot of assholes but nothing compared to the post-wow mainstream mmo community. I can only imagine how horrible the community in Wildstar could become.
But...I'll try it because I looks good enough to give it a shot.
1. Let's see how long it takes until they backpaddle with full speed from that.
2. With only 4 dungeons i wouldn't spend resources and manpower on a LFR tool, too.
I hope they pull it off anyway, the genre needed a title with staying power 5 years ago.
<------Fence Sitter
Just like TESO, I will wait till this game's true nature surfaces before i spend any money on it.
Hehehe behind the curve, really you care that much about some pixels?
While I have no doubt WS is gonna be more tailored to the wow and raiding crowd which generally feels the need to be max level in 2 weeks I'll pass
Originally I had thought of giving WS a try but the beta was uninspiring, and in all honesty having way to much fun in TESO to have time to play WS even if I did enjoy raiding, which in all honesty is just a time sink to me where you wait around for 40 people to finally get their shit together so you can spend another 2 hours hoping someone doesn't pull a Leeroy Jenkins and wipe the raid so you might get a 10% chance of a blue (or PIINK!) pixel dropping that you then have to roll on repeat till your eyes bleed. YMMV, have fun we all have a game we can get into so that's cool.
I just wanted to say, well said.
PS I am eating pretzels and string cheese
Are you going to be on the Bandwagon from launch?
I fell off the bandwagon during beta.... Zzzzzzzzz
Honestly, I just couldn't stand the cartoony look.....
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I do hope that the new character body customisations that came with the recent patch bring some more boobs with them, we'll see on friday.
Aside from that; W* has pleanty for raiders and non-raiders alike. Will you be busy - yep, will you find it amazing, life changing and genre changing - meh? Probably not.
My hopes were high, but now I'm not expecting anything but a good game to explore.
Also, I think they'll forgo the LFR for quite some time. I expect many shoutouts in game to keep it going, but you will see the hardcore group way ahead and plowing/farming content within the first 2 weeks.
I choose this option. Played it, hated it moving along.
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Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
Or go back and see who are talking bout the game likes its the greatest thing since sliced bread but in a few months have stopped playing.... like every new shiney that comes along.
And I can really care less bout WS. Playing AoW3 now, n various tantilizing single player games are coming out think I'll be able to forget bout MMOs for a while, plus just really don't have the time commitment anymore for em.
No it does not, it has nothing new at all, warplots are just there version of WoW battlegrounds. PvE is just rehashed quest hub PvE, and Housing is still instanced and well its the same as any other game that has it.
Combat is not new, it takes aspects from other games.
I am sorry but this game is catered to one demographic... Raiders, enjoy the raids, i am seriously 100% behind Raiders having there game, i just will not support it, and neither will alot of my friends and family that i game with, it is not appealing to me to have a new game come out, focused around 40 man raids.
Tell me all you want that i don't have to do the raids if i don't want to, but why play the game then if i do not engage in the defining aspect this game promoting ?
Carbine wants to make this game for hardcore raiders, that's fine, i have no qualms about that, but they cannot expect other types of players to be interested in a game that promotes same old same old, and tries to repackage it all as NEW !! EXCITING !! REFRESHING !!
As i stated in another post in this thread i do not mind smaller raid sizes 20 man or less, but 40 man is work, and i want fun not work.
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"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Defining features and brand new stuff that no one has ever done before are two different things. That being said, this plentiful mix of features, polish and a focus on fun has never been done before in an MMORPG. WoW did something similar and it is the most successful MMORPG that has ever existed.
What exactly are you looking for? I have a feeling that you'll be waiting a loooooong time if you are looking for a game that does everything brand new and never before seen, but it also has to fit into the MMORPG genre.