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Citing bad sales, will ESO survive with console sales?
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Has ZOS shown any amount of competency when it comes to marketing and PR? I love the game itself, but from the first beta to now, they've had one of the worst marketing campaigns (if you can even call it marketing) in the history of MMO's. Not to mention their community relations, they must be understaffed or something because I've never seen anything like this.
OP puts up whatever numbers they feel like without any real validity or investigation behind what those numbers actually are. I wont be performing and investigation because I dont give a rats hairy ass, but if you want me to pay attention to your post, more effort is required.
The game is never going FTP. I also havent investigated this at all on my own, and I dont have to because I also dont give a rats hairy ass if you believe me or not.
The end.
Regardless of whatever estimates and dodgy xfire figures are brought up at the moment I can see ESO selling a lot of boxed copies even if people dont sub past 30 days simply because of the IP and it plays well as a co-op single player game speaking from experience.
Seeing as these figures wont even include Zenimaxs own store figures or even special offers - I got ESO for free with AC4.
I'd wait until June before jizzing yourselves with hate and self proclaimed "victory"
yeah, main sales will be through the Zenimax Online Store which is left out of the sales figures. 5 million registered beta users would have bought through the ZOS website store.
Op is hilarious, he hopes you wont see that 253k sold in the first day of launch, and because the week eneded on the first day of sales, he thinks that was a weeks sale also.
Just do a little research on the OP ( I did ) this is his MO. His ESO are lining up to be identical to his Swtor threads. It's almost as if he just copy/pasted the Swtor threads and inserted eso. The bad news is according to his history he was at that in Swtor for two years, let's just hope he loses interest in hating this video game a little faster, or we will be seeing more and more misinformation long nonsense and hate post from him.
I don't play ESO, so no stake in this, but I HIGHLY doubt ESO only sold 253K copies. I thought it was buggy for the stage it was in, when I played the last beta, and was on the fence, but I would be willing to bet the number is probably 10x that or more. Does that , mean they will keep them? No... But I don't buy that number at all.
Fanboi's and haters are both rabid in this game, and all discussions about it... but, I judge it based on my beta experience and the experiences of my friends who game.
I know quite a few people who were looking forward to TESO. Most of those people, myself included, chose not to buy the game after a few beta sessions. A few, who had pre-ordered, cancelled. A few, who had pre-purchased, own the game but don't play it. And yes, a few still liked and enjoyed it, and are happily plugging away at it.
I don't know the 250K sales is accurate, but it seems likely that it isn't too far off. The fanboi's were trumpeting about 5 million beta testers downloading the game, and somehow not only assumed every one of those people would buy the game, but that they'd get several friends to ALSO buy it. I think we all know how many people will spend a few hours trying something FOR FREE, and then not actually pay money for it, even if they DID like it.
But let's say the numbers are wrong. Let's pretend that the sales were more on the order of 2 million copies. Let's even pretend that 1/4 of those were collector's edition sales. So, an average price of $70 * 2 million players == $140M in revenue. Let's also assume that 1/4 of those purchasers will buy 3 month plans right out of the gate... That gtives us another $22M in revenue. So, $160M in revenue for a game that cost $200M to produce.
Investors are NOT happy with an ROI that has to be projected out over a full year just to break even. I'm just saying...
Zenimax is a big company. They can absorb the cost for a couple years, but at some point the sales of sparkle ponies have to offset the fading subscription rate (EVERY game loses players at the 30/60/90 day points after launch). I suspect you're going to see the cash shop become far more invasive, as a profit has to be found somehow.
"If eso will surive"
stopped reading there.
I personally have no investment in TESO other than to sit on the fence and wait this out. If after a few months, TESO still has the majority of it's subscribers staying on-board and are happily playing, then I'll buy the game. I've been in too many new releases where the game looks great at 1st but then at endgame, falls apart. So for me, and those like me, I want to evaluate everyone's viewpoints. I want to see what players have to say that's great about TESO and what players are saying is wrong with TESO. Ultimately, I really do want to play TESO, but not if I'm not going to be playing it long term. There are better short term games if I will only play for a month or 2. So, this thread is of interest to me.
However, what I am seeing a lot of, are people trying to "expose" the OP as having an agenda against TESO. That is nothing more than a collective Ad-Hom here. And historically, speaking, when I see Ad-Hom against an OP, it means someone doesn't know how to deal with the OP's statements. So, the best way to "expose" the OP is to prove him wrong. Otherwise Ad-Homs actually support OP because it is like saying.
"Oh he's at it again, I can't deal with this. I wish he'd just shut up and go away."
Personally, I don't care what his personal view is, but if there is data that shows sales trends, that is important be it positive or negative. (or accurate or inaccurate)
2 past history does need to be taken into account with forums.
1. With multiple posters quoting that 1st post in agreement.
2. For opinions to carry weight, sure, but for his referencing Forbes? Hater or Fanboy, he has presented a link to something else that isn't his. Who cares if it supports his agenda, address what it says 1st.
When you can not argue the content of the post.. attack the poster. Pretty usual affair around here.
Your last sentence is basically what any game comes down to for anyone. All games eventually just turn into niche fan based games no matter the sales numbers. SWTOR, GW2, FFXIV:ARR, and now ESO are all just going to be fans of those games. No matter how bad others trash games, and fans defend them, it all comes down to the individual asking themselves if they are having fun or not.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
On day of stats, no listing for actual sources, yes they put Steam but I know that the retail place I work at doesn't report it sales numbers to anyone for at least 3 months.
This is just someone trying to make an article out of some numbers they pulled out of there ass, dont get me wrong I'm sure it has sold .25 mill but I am also sure is has sold more than that since the 5th, and that there are alot of retailers that have not posted their sales figures, again Forbes is trying to wave a panic flag just for the sake of an article.
Good example of this kind of reporting "Taylor Swift leave clothing tags on her pants" I know right BIG news she forgot a tag, but they managed to make a 1 page spread out of it.
So lets all not feed this troll and let this piece of crap article die the death is deserves, perhaps an arrow to the knee?
Disappointing OP, in all your years this is as close to lying as you have ever been.
I think it's a pretty safe bet that 10-20 times more people hit the Online DL button fresh from Bethesda, like me.
OP should be required to put PHYSICAL BOX COPIES ONLY at the bottom of the OP.
Certainly. No arguement. But looking back at my last pre-release purchase, I was playing FF14. The game looked like it was going to have everything I wanted........But that changed at endgame. It wasn't so obvious at 1st it wasn't until after SE made their 1st endgame content patch. But see, this is my point. What is wrong (for me) with FF14, I could have discovered what I wanted to know had I waited and paid attention.
So, you might say, Did you not have fun during the time you played? Well, sure, I had fun for a month, but based on what I play MMORPGs for, I would have skipped it all the same.
So that's what I am doing now. Paying attention and gathering the info.
I also want to see how much value crafted gear has after endgame settles in and the "meta" is established.
I remember when the digital downloads became purchasable and everyone was hammering the Zenimax systems trying to buy one lol.
Yes lets rubbish OP's speculative numbers with more made up numbers. That will make this even right? lol
It is not the box price and sub that is the problem.
It is the game effecting bugs like the missing inventory slots, that will kill ESO.
If you are going to do big budget and have both a box fee and a sub, you have to nail the quality and content.
People are willing to pay... for high quality. You just can't expect people to want to risk a wad of cash on a game when virtually every game is F2P quality now.
All die, so die well.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
I don't think this is the worst I've ever seen from him.
Most of Karteli's posts are insightful and articulate; and some of them sound like his account has been hijacked by a shill from hell.