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The big difference between the game and these forums...
sludgebeard
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...Is that in the game, no one is complaining about the guild bank bug, no one is freaking out over bad reviews, no one is saying how the game is a haven for gold spammers and cheaters.
Its seriously black and white, in game, people are having fun, talking in zone-chat about random stuff and striking up good conversations, theres PvP, theres RP, theres just a general feeling of community and enjoyment.
And then when you come to these forums, what is it? People who are spending their days on the forums complaining about the game rather than in the game actually playing it.
Is there bugs? Yes. Have their been problems? Of course.
But the community in game does not get anywhere close to how worked up this forum gets. This forum is seriously drama, over-exaggeration, and near-political levels of opinion. Its a FUCKING GAME!
Hell me and my friends just spent the past 5 hours getting over a jumping puzzle that the devs didnt even put in the game!! We literally created it ourselves in a psychotic emergent content kind of way and professed our devotion to the great Gull-Lord of Stros M'kai.
Having unique experiances in a modern MMO? Kind of a crazy concept I know, but guess what, its happening!! And its not just me, its a whole slew of other gamers who appreciate what ESO is, and not what others want it to be.
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It's all about expectations in my opinion. TESO has great potential to be a great game but it gives people the feeling that it falls short on something.
The more you look at a game that you're playing and you say " I can totally see this feature working and being a success in this game, why didn't they think about this?", the more you feel frustrated about it because of the potential it shows to do so.
Want to know why Elder Scrolls games were always such a huge success even after the dust settled? Because of the community, the modders create so many mods that you can customize your Elder Scroll game to your liking, just the way you want to play it.
With TESO that doesn't happen, can't happen as a MMO, you are forced to play exactly how Zenimax wants you to play. That's fine as long as there is enough content and diversity to keep you enjoying yourself playing it. Nevermind the bugs, those are many but fixeable. Even the unresponsive combat is fixeable. Even the overpowered skills are fixeable.
MMO's are meant to be a lot of games inside of one big package. Diversity is needed to keep people of different tastes entertained and depth to keep them subscribing. TESO lacks that content diversity and depth at the moment and it's the main reason so many people are getting bored so quickly.
The game is too heavily focused on questing. Questing in MMO's are just a means to an end. In TESO its 90% of the game.
You sure? because i have seen a lot of people getting angry when stuck at quests or falling through floor. Several guildies still waiting for getting compensated for bank bugs. People getting upset over long loading screens and what not.
From now i will take screenshots because after all seeing is believing.
I dont understand the relevance of the analogy, or the use of the term "Filter", but what I will do is try to explain my post a little better.
In the game, there isnt this hyper-politicalized opinion like you see on the forums, I wonder how anyone can consider the activity on here, "Healthy" from a social standpoint.
When a forum is 90% posts of people saying how bad things are in game, and then in the Actual Game that number is about 5% at best, there is a huge problem going on.
Were quickly generating a seperate social situation on these forums that involves people making gross overstatements about the conditions in game, to fit a sort of formulaic standard they have set for MMO's in general.
Think of how much hate was bred about this game pre-launch by the same group of people? Borderline conspiracy theorists who would rather let something like a "guild-bank dupping bug", be the only proof they need to shout incompetence and bad design.
It doesnt matter how much work went into the core gameplay, or the fact that they have a 98% working game, its the 2% that didnt work that becomes a political statement for them. Allowing them to keep their beliefs based on rash opinions and subjective reviews rather than actual time spent in game playing the game.
What do we call theses? Trolls? I think its something far worse...
Well I don't think you're right. As much as I love(d) the game myself, I see plenty of people whining about it, just not specifically about the cheaters and exploits as on forums like this, but more about the bugs. If people really can't stand it, they just leave the game never to be seen again and ofcourse you don't hear them in the game anymore. I've got a feeling a lot of people left already. Not that this game doesn't have a future as a sub based MMO, but the exploits, the bugs, as fluid as it seemed the first few days, wow the game has become a mess if you compare it to that.
Why couldn't they release right now, because they think 4-4-14 is a magical number? What a nonsense. I can't think of any other reason because this game clearly shouldn't be out. If it would come out a few weeks from now, I'm almost certain it would be a bigger game in the long run. The damage it already did to itself made thousands of people hit the unsubscribe button already, despite how freakin awesome this game is. Because it really is a good game, but ye... You can feel the rushed content. Always when I got a latency of a few seconds (which happens very often I can tell you) I'm always afraid of some bug or a server maintenance or whatever else is happening. I have to say though, I did play this game the first 30 levels almost without any problems, but the last few levels make me so frustrated, I don't have to explain because you've already seen that in my post I think. But ye, great game, launched too soon.
There is a diffrence between pointing out the weak spots and stuff that needs improvement or burning a game to the ground.
These forums are filled with trolls and haters who just want to hate any mmo thats comes along.
There is no point going into a discussion about a particular point as the thread is instandly derailed by those haters who just like to anoy people.
The game is realy good, even tough it has some hickups and server downtime, this week alone we had 4 or 5 server downtime's for around 3 to 5 hours in EU primetime.
Does it sucks ? yes, is it the end of the world ? nope.
Dupe bug doesnt even effect the market either, most guilds dump their epics and blues back in the guildbank for someone else to wear.
Almost no item is soulbound so you can pass it on to the levelers behind you without a problem.
Yet when you read these forums you almost start to believe that ESO is the worste mmo ever created.
Once i loved to read comments, now i just get anoyed by these people who refuse to act normal and give solid feedback or ask normal questions.
Before i bought ESO i had alot of doubts as i tought it would be SWTOR 2.0
Dint like the animations and many others things, but man was i wrong.
If i dint bought ESO and would search these forums for truth then you would think its a no buy mmo, so much hate and trolls trying to burn games down.
Forums arent a source of information anymore they are there for those haters and trolls who are so bitter in their real life that they can only envy and hate.
I wish these people who only hate and troll get instand IP bans to bring back a glimpse of how forums once were.
A source of information and feedback.
A source to share our passion about gaming.
The worse part is at some point your also doing these things as you feel the urge to defend a game with all that false information people are spitting out.
People need to remember that mmo's arent perfect and no mmo is targeted for the total mmo playerbase.
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People with filters never do that's the whole point. Google psychology 101 "Filters".
worst example ever.
actually i dont even need to argue on it, just stating how much yours sucked is completely valid, since everyone can see it.
[mod edit]"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
Well, we are enjoying our 30days free time, then 50% of comunity wiill end this game because of bugs/poor zos support/duping bugs ets.
What i want to say - Im im enjoying this game, playing it 5-7 hours/day I have only lvl 38, but im not going to play this game after my free gametime expire, why ? my guildmate duped items worth of 50milion golds, he have these golds on 3 different accounts and alts, and that is really really bad... whole economy is sucket because of this duping bug, i dont want to play game where developers cannot repair bug reported many times in beta... while in full release, we are gonna to have thousands of milions gold bugged, wtf, why ? Also, they said that this bug is fixed, and ppls get banned, well i dont thinkso cuz its still working... its working for 3 weeks !
This game isVERY VERY GOOD, but doesnt deserve to be pay2play.
Edit : And i didnt mentioned BUGS, they are everywhere, ofcourse every game have bugs, but not soooo many + take in mind that this game has been postponed from Q3/4 2013 release, what a shame.
So let's recap and see if i got this straight.
You're unhappy that a bunch of random people on an internet forum said bad things about a game you like, so you decided to create a thread on said forum to express said unhapiness instead of doing the normal and logical thing about said situation and simply ignore the comments and carry on playing the game you enjoy.
So, you're apparently so attached to the game that you can't take someone having a negative opinion on it, therefore, you made this thread and call others out by saying they're trolls.
Hmmmm, sounds to me like you're the one with an unhealthy obssession, not just with ESO but with these forums aswell.
Back away from the computer friend.
Nailed it!!!!
I've pretty much have come to expect harsh criticism against this game--- forums, gaming sites, etc. I do see quite a bit of complaining in zone chat followed up by "stfu and play WoW " or other such nonsense. Seems as if people have lost the ability to converse with one another in a respectful manner. I am a bit shocked at the degree of negativity towards ESO overall. Heck, one of my hubby's coworkers wouldn't even try it due to everything he heard. He finally picked it up and now loves it. Seems that ESO is the game to hate.
Personally, I can't be happier with my experience. I've encountered my share of bugs to include losing my bank spaces that have never been restored nor me reimbursed. I've encountered a handful of bugs and other glitches that have been resolved logging out. I'm a bit unhappy with the gold spam and the bots camping dungeons. The dupe bugs are also pretty bad since I don't like things that impact the economy. In the greater scheme of things, ESO has been a positive experience and I'm having fun. I've played a few games that have been horror shows at launch.....Vanguard anyone? Loved Vanguard but most of my friends moved on and couldn't get through the bugs and growing pain of that game.
Hopefully Zenimax finds their stride and gets everything under control. With WildStar just around the corner, I'm sure that every bit of gaming angst will be directed towards that for a bit. Gamers are a hard bunch to please and I don't envy the job of a developer.
You add in the fact that the fanboys in mmorpg.coms forums aren't usually a patch on those in the actual games forums then I
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I agree 100% the game is good the best mmo I have played.
but I am still looking for more,[sand box] I have not played star wars galaxies but that sounds like what I want.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
And people spending their days on this forum trying to convince anyone who does not like the game that it's the bestest mmo. The games that good that it seems many spend more time on these forums trying to counter any negative thread about ESO.
And why the hell would it bother you lol.
I won't label this the best MMO ever. Honestly, I don't even think its in the top 5. There are a lot of things missing that make this game fun. Community, depth, economy, etc. This is, for now, a single player game with PvP. Perhaps this changes at end game, but that will be seen.
Its a decent game with potential. But most games never reach their potential.
Actually what he said makes a lot of sense but try telling that to the guys sitting at the window in the old folks home and well.... looks like you already know the answer you'd get.
Why people fight so hard for their right to bitch and moan about a game on a forum no dev is ever going to read, I'll never really understand. No one here is changing the mmo world, that should be obvious by now. You're just gathering all the bitter old vets in one place so you can agree everything used to be better and those damn kids are on your lawn again.
I'm getting a chuckle about the fact that you wrote up this post to complain about the complaining in the forums for a MMORPG, and that you are so worked up over what is, as you called it, "a fucking game".
I should also point out that in just about every MMO I've ever played, the in-game community is typically far less vocal on the game's issues (unless the whole game is terrible and everyone's in agreement on that) than they are in message forums. It's not just ESO. Part of the reason for that is because it's mostly people who like and enjoy the game you're speaking to in the chat channels, and those people tend to be extremely defensive about any criticism of the game. I've seen it first-hand. So, someone wanting to say something about a given bug or issue is likely to be ripped to pieces the moment they utter a word of complaint.
Hell, I saw it happening in ESO during the betas I participated in.
Just one example that stands out...
Someone spoke up stating that they were stuck (it was an issue that was affecting a number of people) and didn't know how to correct it. Within a few moments, about 6 people immediately jumped on them for "bitching about known issues in a Beta", following up with, "if you think the game sucks and is so broken, then go back to WoW. We don't want you here. This is a Beta, not a free trial". The person attempted to clarify that they'd only just gotten in, it was their first beta and they weren't aware of the issue. Didn't help. There was already blood in the water, and the chat channel became a frenzy of people ripping this person to shreds because he dared to state he was encountering a bug "in their game". All he was looking for was advice on how to avoid or fix it. They asked why everyone was attacking them, and the answer they got was along the lines of "we're sick of trolls like you getting into Beta just so you can bash the game".
And they hadn't bashed anything. They just brought up a known bug, looking for help on dealing with it.
A sane person finally calmly explained that they'd have to log out and back in as there was no known fix for it at the time.
That's just one of many examples I could give from my own experiences of why people in-game don't dare to voice any complaint or criticism. Because the fans in-game are completely intolerant of it. That's not exactly what I'd call "a better community". Those same people have certainly continued on into retail, defending the game with the same kind of intolerance.
So, I wouldn't say the lack of complaining in-game is due to any "higher class of player" being involved. I'd say it's more about the degree of intolerance demonstrated toward anyone who dares to complain about anything.
What doesnt make sense to me is those who are claiming "best game ever" have time to defend this game on a forum during Easter Morning when they could be playing the game they love so much. Us Bitter old vets dont have a game or thats where we would be- With all the theme parks and all the "Best game ever" that have been released lately (SW:TOR/GW2 and now ESO) I wonder how all these people have time for forums... I certainly wouldnt.
-Also, I think it was you who asked yesterday if I think devs read this forum. I answered you and offered to provide a link - So again- They DO or they are foolish. They also use viral marketing and collect data. Its kind of a given... Does that mean our opinions have any effect- No. Our opinions do not. Nor does yours- So why are we posting exactly? If the barameter to posting is if a "dev" reads it, why are oYOU posting (being so certain they wont read it)? I am here to discuss games with gamers and could care what a dev thinks of my opinion.
Dont you have the best game ever to be playing? I envy you.
EDIT_ I also find it funny anyone takes offence at someone dissing their "game"- Thats unhealthy...Kind of like fighting at school because someone said Reebok is better than Nike and you are wearing a pair of Nike's...Themz figtin words...ahahahahahhahaha