Gate character progression behind hundreds of hours of solo content? Really?
I guess they were just that desperate to slow people down.
What else is there to do once you reach 50?
So they added 10 "hell levels". How it will turn out well see, but personally im not very optimistic about that tactic, especailly when they are using content form other alliances AND making those levels pretty much non optional.
Gate character progression behind hundreds of hours of solo content? Really?
I guess they were just that desperate to slow people down.
What else is there to do once you reach 50?
So they added 10 "hell levels". How it will turn out well see, but personally im not very optimistic about that tactic, especailly when they are using content form other alliances AND making those levels pretty much non optional.
It would probably be better to have a game that started you at level 50 ...let you stand around in gold gear , and you could just tell everyone in chat " How good you are " It appears that dressing up like you're playing with Barbie and dancing on a mailbox is about as difficult as a new mmo should get .
The problem with the game is that it forces questing down your throat. I started MMO's with EQ back in 1999 where "questing" wasn't even a thing. I hated quests in WoW and always leveled 10x slower than my friends when XPacks came out but suffered through them because I really enjoyed the group content. Eventually the dungeon finder allowed me to level alts up exclusively through dungeons which was fantastic for me.
If I could level through dungeons or pvp (read: group content) I think I would really be enjoying ESO. As it stands, I'm lvl 28 and I can't bring myself to log in anymore because the only activity available to me is solo questing. I don't care whether the game takes 300 hours or 30 hours to hit max level, I want to experience group content which is why I play MMO's in the first place.
There is NOTHING difficult about questing and this is the problem. I am never challenged, not even for a second during 40 or so hours of gameplay. It's mind numbingly boring. I think compared to most MMO's the quests are really well done and I know lots of people enjoy questing, good for them. If I wanted to "quest" I would go play Skyrim where the journey truly is its own reward because there is no grouping. That game is also about 10x more immersive.
I play a healer. I want to heal groups not press the same 5 buttons in the same exact order 40,000 times in order to get to the group content.
I'm not asking for questing to be removed, I'm asking for viable alternatives. It's really simple. I want to play in groups, ESO will not let me.
Now I'm reading that even if I did manage to suffer through the awful leveling experience that I will have to do the other 2 entire quest chains for the other 2 factions in order to play the endgame?
YEAH RIGHT. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
I was so excited when I first started playing this game, I really thought it had potential but I just can't take it, I'm done with ESO.
The problem with the game is that it forces questing down your throat. I started MMO's with EQ back in 1999 where "questing" wasn't even a thing. I hated quests in WoW and always leveled 10x slower than my friends when XPacks came out but suffered through them because I really enjoyed the group content. Eventually the dungeon finder allowed me to level alts up exclusively through dungeons which was fantastic for me.
If I could level through dungeons or pvp (read: group content) I think I would really be enjoying ESO. As it stands, I'm lvl 28 and I can't bring myself to log in anymore because the only activity available to me is solo questing. I don't care whether the game takes 300 hours or 30 hours to hit max level, I want to experience group content which is why I play MMO's in the first place.
There is NOTHING difficult about questing and this is the problem. I am never challenged, not even for a second during 40 or so hours of gameplay. It's mind numbingly boring. I think compared to most MMO's the quests are really well done and I know lots of people enjoy questing, good for them. If I wanted to "quest" I would go play Skyrim where the journey truly is its own reward because there is no grouping. That game is also about 10x more immersive.
I play a healer. I want to heal groups not press the same 5 buttons in the same exact order 40,000 times in order to get to the group content.
I'm not asking for questing to be removed, I'm asking for viable alternatives. It's really simple. I want to play in groups, ESO will not let me.
Now I'm reading that even if I did manage to suffer through the awful leveling experience that I will have to do the other 2 entire quest chains for the other 2 factions in order to play the endgame?
YEAH RIGHT. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
I was so excited when I first started playing this game, I really thought it had potential but I just can't take it, I'm done with ESO.
This is exactly why the game is stumbling, it has nothing to do with payment models as so many claim, it's simply flawed at its core. And sadly most of the players playing the game have no idea what's coming their way as they don't browse forums but they'll find out soon enough.
Would seem allot of people do not read what ESO has said for many months. My friend best friend got to 50 about a week ago. Never rushed for we share the same account. He only played a few hours every day. He got to 44 or around there and had to grind. Do you remember what ESO said about questing?
Play the way you like. Do you remember what people just here alone said about questing? No hubs..I mean come on. Unless you SEARCH everywhere you will end up grinding.
How many high lvl players are there? Hmm I am guessing some posts here do not really play ESO. Then stop this chicken **** crap and talk to them IN GAME. Tell them IN GAME how you feel. You hide and watch behind some computer saying things about others you know they cant see you. Notice anyone can do this..sorry your not unique.
So lets stop with the lies and talk truth. No one is crying no one is hating. Well if that as not what you meant why in the world did you say it? "everyone else does it"...pffft..
I've said this.. I get 15+ greens and now getting blues. Every day and not playing the whole day but just a few hours. Now if you really played from at least WOW you know this should not be like this. Go play on EU side.. its dead. Lol yeah its going to get better by next week.
LIke some said who wants to get to 50 just to go back and do all that over again then over again then over again? Some dont like change I guess.
Its text.. thats it. Its not personal so relax. Just treat others the way you want to be treated. Yes Jesus said that and you know its truth.
As has been stated several times in this thread - even though many of you keep saying "you're not getting the point" - the crux of your complaint is based on the idea that the endgame is leveling VR through quests. It's obviously not. They have stated that they're adding endgame content -- actually a pretty huge amount of it -- which is designed to give you something to do as you progress your character further.
Originally posted by Svarcanum Yeah, ESO players are going drop off in droves when they hit VR for sure. I was sooo happy when I reached 50, thinking I'd now get to, you know, play with others. Only problem the first set of VR dungeons are for VR5, so now I have to grind yet another 50 hours of "avoid mobs and run to waypoint and press E" unimaginative quests. Seriously, instead of making the world a slightly worse place for 10s of millions of dollars with those gameplay wise aweful quests, why not give it to charity or something. And rid us social MMO players of the single player mindless scourge that is ESO quests.
You are not familiar with Elder Scrolls games, you are still too far into the "get to max level asap and skip the content when possible so I can join the real endgame and burn out" box.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Originally posted by Svarcanum Yeah, ESO players are going drop off in droves when they hit VR for sure. I was sooo happy when I reached 50, thinking I'd now get to, you know, play with others. Only problem the first set of VR dungeons are for VR5, so now I have to grind yet another 50 hours of "avoid mobs and run to waypoint and press E" unimaginative quests. Seriously, instead of making the world a slightly worse place for 10s of millions of dollars with those gameplay wise aweful quests, why not give it to charity or something. And rid us social MMO players of the single player mindless scourge that is ESO quests.
You are not familiar with Elder Scrolls games, you are still too far into the "get to max level asap and skip the content when possible so I can join the real endgame and burn out" box.
Exactly...
Many people who are playing i.e. skyrim/Fallout 3, actually download mods which slows down the character advancement, slows down the character progression and makes the game more difficult. There are modifications which adds more content, more quests, more stories, changes to economics, building your own business with farms or whatever....
These are on of the best mods out there and very famous i.e. survival mods, weather mods, real time travelling, stronger wildlife mods and so on.....
Elder Scrolls is for sure not a game series to get to max asap, the journey is the most interesting and with challenging modificatons you have the best survival rpg on the market.
The people love modificatons for Elder Scrolls games to get more challengin gaming time.
You play Elder Scrolls games for many months with 300+ hours ........
I am atm doing VR grind, atm VR 3 and i am totally burned out it is HELL!. No variation at ALL, those quest are very nice but get booooring after a while, it really gets to u at some point and hits you like a TRUCK. And then imagine doing that till VR10, it is just insane. I like this game very much but VR grind is just HORROR, IF u are a lover or not doing Quests only, u will start to hate questing after playing ESO from VR1 till VR10 in every MMO u play because of the insane grind. I just can't see anymore quest quest quest..Give us some other way to earn VR ranks PLZ ZANIMAX plz!!!, people do like this game! but this is just torcher!
I consider myself as a hardcore gamer play a lot each day ect, causal gamer's will melt at some point when doing VR grind and most of them will never reach VR10 because they will quit the game before that. And then when new content comes out VR grind goes on, i can't see any causal gamer having the nerfs to do this at all.
PS: they will increase XP gain, but that will happen in the next content patch that will prolly come out at the END next month. But i already know that i will be off to a other MMO by that time, and come back after few months when ZANIMAX has improved the game exp/bugged it out/balanced/added BAsic Features like Nameplates that makes it appealing to play it as an MMO PVE and PVP wise. to the game.
Typical. People Always complain about there being not enough content coz you can race through it all and then when a game actually requires you to put some time in they complain its to much grind.
They complain about reports where the majority of players reach the end content way to fast but at the same time if its not so they complain about it taking to long.
Everything should be attainable within 2 weeks right ? Lol ! God forbid something actually takes time.
I swear people have got it down to an art form on this site. 20 pages and people still haven't grasped or tried to get the point. Instead have jumped to the conclusion "content locust" or instant gratification, even when people have explained it so clearly.
So the simple version is this; the VR levels are boring, uninteresting and a pain to do. More alternatives are needed.
That's it, no hidden objective or meaning.
Hate being that guy, but come on guys.
Ihmo, it's understandable. If your going to make this new type of leveling idea and then slap standard quests that you've been doing up until then, whats the point? they might as well just called it level 50 - 60. When you think VR (well me anyway), you think things will become much harder and challenging, and that you won't be doing the same stuff you've been doing since level one. YOu think something new and epic will open up, but instead you just sent back to the other starting areas, nothing wrong with that, but at least make it worth while and make it fun.
Typical. People Always complain about there being not enough content coz you can race through it all and then when a game actually requires you to put some time in they complain its to much grind.
They complain about reports where the majority of players reach the end content way to fast but at the same time if its not so they complain about it taking to long.
Everything should be attainable within 2 weeks right ? Lol ! God forbid something actually takes time.
People sipt all over SWTOR when they mentioned part of the endgame is to reroll new character with new story prefrably on opposite faction.
So here we are, ESO basically shoves that down your throat just masked as "VRs" and even without new class story SWTOR had to spice it up a bit.
Grind for the sake of grind is not the answer for majority of people.
I swear people have got it down to an art form on this site. 20 pages and people still haven't grasped or tried to get the point. Instead have jumped to the conclusion "content locust" or instant gratification, even when people have explained it so clearly.
So the simple version is this; the VR levels are boring, uninteresting and a pain to do. More alternatives are needed.
That's it, no hidden objective or meaning.
Hate being that guy, but come on guys.
Ihmo, it's understandable. If your going to make this new type of leveling idea and then slap standard quests that you've been doing up until then, whats the point? they might as well just called it level 50 - 60. When you think VR (well me anyway), you think things will become much harder and challenging, and that you won't be doing the same stuff you've been doing since level one. YOu think something new and epic will open up, but instead you just sent back to the other starting areas, nothing wrong with that, but at least make it worth while and make it fun.
Its an art and people on these forums have mastered it. Another 20 pages and i can bet you people will still fail to understand what Op was actually saying.
I swear people have got it down to an art form on this site. 20 pages and people still haven't grasped or tried to get the point. Instead have jumped to the conclusion "content locust" or instant gratification, even when people have explained it so clearly.
So the simple version is this; the VR levels are boring, uninteresting and a pain to do. More alternatives are needed.
That's it, no hidden objective or meaning.
Hate being that guy, but come on guys.
Ihmo, it's understandable. If your going to make this new type of leveling idea and then slap standard quests that you've been doing up until then, whats the point? they might as well just called it level 50 - 60. When you think VR (well me anyway), you think things will become much harder and challenging, and that you won't be doing the same stuff you've been doing since level one. YOu think something new and epic will open up, but instead you just sent back to the other starting areas, nothing wrong with that, but at least make it worth while and make it fun.
I understand what the OP is saying, but if you didn't like the ride to VR level, then why would you think it would be any different during the VR leveling? It was discussed ad naseum pre launch that VR content consisted of leveling through the other factions, pvp, and veteran dungeons for launch.
What boggles my mind, is why people complain about the way something is while they experience it, when it was made clear that was the intention. If we are going to argue why they label it differently, then lets also discuss why other mmo's do it as well. This is not a unique mechanic to ESO, and honestly I would rather them work on other things (like bugs, etc..) rather than what they label the higher levels.
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Quests counts as content? If lets say, i make a mmo and put a 156754654 quests and 564875484 VR or Paragon or whatever levels, means that i will have a game with endless content?
This question is not only about ESO but applies to every other game.
You just described "old school" MMOs. How many people play those these days? People want meat not mindless grinds.
It would not be bad if it was optional, but it isnt (well, you can always quit as an option but i doubt many people considers that as something good)
ESO... a grind... HAHAHA. Go play L2 on an old server. Then you will truly know what a grind is.
"In the immediate future, we have this one, and then weve got another one that is actually going to be so were going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what were targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you cant hold me to it. But what were targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo
The grind exists because people either have too much time on their hand, or, as some admitted in this thread, use exploits. With early access just about one months has passed and people are through the content already (some even earlier), as usual with MMOs. It's this type of "chewing-up" content which results in this weird mechanisms for "end-game-content".
This screws it up for casual players who will QQ and then it will get nerved and then the "hard-core" players with QQ and so on and so forth. ESO is no exception to the MMO market dynamics, I guess.
Again, if you aren't in veteran content yourself (VR3+ lets say) you have no business posting in this thread. Your opinion literally does not matter because you have no way of forming an opinion based on facts and reality.
VR was too much of a slog through quests, Zeni realized this and increased exp for kills in both pve and pvp. End of story. Hopefully they will continue to tweak the VR experience because even with the exp changes to mobs I don't see it being terribly lucrative unless the exp also applies to dungeons.
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I understand what the OP is saying, but if you didn't like the ride to VR level, then why would you think it would be any different during the VR leveling? It was discussed ad naseum pre launch that VR content consisted of leveling through the other factions, pvp, and veteran dungeons for launch.
What boggles my mind, is why people complain about the way something is while they experience it, when it was made clear that was the intention. If we are going to argue why they label it differently, then lets also discuss why other mmo's do it as well. This is not a unique mechanic to ESO, and honestly I would rather them work on other things (like bugs, etc..) rather than what they label the higher levels.
Cheers!
No, you clearly don't understand what the OP is saying. nobody is complaining about having to level through VR content, they are upset that there is a lack of options available besides questing in the veteran content. From level 1-50 you could quest, do dungeons, pvp or grind mobs in order to level. VR1+ you can quest, quest, quest and then quest (and if you're lucky, maybe find an exploit like the dungeon boss that let people grind VR6-10 in about 5 hours). There are no other options to progress in a reasonable amount of time.
Now don't get me wrong, I did the gear grind for WotLK and Cataclysm, had a level 50 in Vanguard: SOH, and a level 85 raiding swashbuckler (last I checked) in EQ2, but I did all of that because there was still a sense of character progression and various activities that were EXCLUSIVE to endgame players.
In TESO, a game that I've enjoyed tremendously for the entire leveling experience, I have absolutely no ambition to do my Veteran Ranks. There is simply no way, none, that I am going to drag myself through every quest for BOTH other factions to get to VR10, especially if dungeons only reward me the first time around. That's just too much time investment for ten "levels".
Now, if VR were optional that would be one thing, but I get stomped routinely by VR5-10 players in PVP, who seem to almost one-shot me.
I'm not much of a PVP player anyways, truth be told, so I was more excited for Craglorn, until I saw that you needed to be VR10 to do anything in it. Sure, they say you can 'visit" at VR1, but I'm guessing that you won't be able to do anything without instantly dying.
I guess I'm more irritated than anything that they are locking out the brand-spanking-new dungeon and raid from endgame players who won't throw in the extra 230+ hours to grind veteran ranks.
I agree with you. My plans were to play my templar until I complete the main quest and then create a new character with a different class in a different faction. I was hoping that running dungeons would be a good way of gaining XP without going to the other factions for the VR ranks. I am fine with players having the option to gain their VR ranks through questing in other factions, but I don't understand why zenimax did not provide the option for players to gain their VR ranks by running dungeons. In about 3 months, many will have to beg their guildies to run dungeons with them because no one will want to run them after the first time.
Because of this, I am not rolling a new character. Matter of fact, I will take a break from this game until zenimax provides the alternative. There are other things I would like to see in-game such as necromancer class or skill line, but for now, I am back to Skyrim. I will check on ESO news though.
VR+ the pace of leveling is slowed by an extreme margin, questing is the only real way to level and there is no compelling story pushing you along like the 1-50 Main/Guild questlines. Questing other alliance quests seems rushed and using a story-loop-hole to take on 10 more levels with a flashy yet inconsequential name which is only there to distract the players that there is another 10 levels to get to the cap. The pace and lack of a compelling story along with reduced ways of leveling just put a massive spotlight on it.
Wow, I really did NOT understand what everybody was talking about. I'm actually forced to eat a little bit of crow here. It's not the fact that the VR Grind is bad, it's the fact that all the little things you could do to level before you can't anymore at VR.
I could be mistaken but there's no exploration XP anymore, finding and opening chests don't do it either. All the things that made leveling bearable before is absolutely gone. For the first time ever in ESO I caught myself skipping through quest dialogue. I honestly don't give a shit about the other 2 factions besides the one I picked and now I have nothing to do in between quests.
I'm not saying it needs to be fast but what a way to basically say "do it all again except don't enjoy the varied way to progress". I don't think I have the patience to do it all again. Wow that kinda blows.
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Wow, I really did NOT understand what everybody was talking about. I'm actually forced to eat a little bit of crow here. It's not the fact that the VR Grind is bad, it's the fact that all the little things you could do to level before you can't anymore at VR.
I could be mistaken but there's no exploration XP anymore, finding and opening chests don't do it either. All the things that made leveling bearable before is absolutely gone. For the first time ever in ESO I caught myself skipping through quest dialogue. I honestly don't give a shit about the other 2 factions besides the one I picked and now I have nothing to do in between quests.
I'm not saying it needs to be fast but what a way to basically say "do it all again except don't enjoy the varied way to progress". I don't think I have the patience to do it all again. Wow that kinda blows.
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What else is there to do once you reach 50?
So they added 10 "hell levels". How it will turn out well see, but personally im not very optimistic about that tactic, especailly when they are using content form other alliances AND making those levels pretty much non optional.
It would probably be better to have a game that started you at level 50 ...let you stand around in gold gear , and you could just tell everyone in chat " How good you are " It appears that dressing up like you're playing with Barbie and dancing on a mailbox is about as difficult as a new mmo should get .
The problem with the game is that it forces questing down your throat. I started MMO's with EQ back in 1999 where "questing" wasn't even a thing. I hated quests in WoW and always leveled 10x slower than my friends when XPacks came out but suffered through them because I really enjoyed the group content. Eventually the dungeon finder allowed me to level alts up exclusively through dungeons which was fantastic for me.
If I could level through dungeons or pvp (read: group content) I think I would really be enjoying ESO. As it stands, I'm lvl 28 and I can't bring myself to log in anymore because the only activity available to me is solo questing. I don't care whether the game takes 300 hours or 30 hours to hit max level, I want to experience group content which is why I play MMO's in the first place.
There is NOTHING difficult about questing and this is the problem. I am never challenged, not even for a second during 40 or so hours of gameplay. It's mind numbingly boring. I think compared to most MMO's the quests are really well done and I know lots of people enjoy questing, good for them. If I wanted to "quest" I would go play Skyrim where the journey truly is its own reward because there is no grouping. That game is also about 10x more immersive.
I play a healer. I want to heal groups not press the same 5 buttons in the same exact order 40,000 times in order to get to the group content.
I'm not asking for questing to be removed, I'm asking for viable alternatives. It's really simple. I want to play in groups, ESO will not let me.
Now I'm reading that even if I did manage to suffer through the awful leveling experience that I will have to do the other 2 entire quest chains for the other 2 factions in order to play the endgame?
YEAH RIGHT. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
I was so excited when I first started playing this game, I really thought it had potential but I just can't take it, I'm done with ESO.
This is exactly why the game is stumbling, it has nothing to do with payment models as so many claim, it's simply flawed at its core. And sadly most of the players playing the game have no idea what's coming their way as they don't browse forums but they'll find out soon enough.
Would seem allot of people do not read what ESO has said for many months. My friend best friend got to 50 about a week ago. Never rushed for we share the same account. He only played a few hours every day. He got to 44 or around there and had to grind. Do you remember what ESO said about questing?
Play the way you like. Do you remember what people just here alone said about questing? No hubs..I mean come on. Unless you SEARCH everywhere you will end up grinding.
How many high lvl players are there? Hmm I am guessing some posts here do not really play ESO. Then stop this chicken **** crap and talk to them IN GAME. Tell them IN GAME how you feel. You hide and watch behind some computer saying things about others you know they cant see you. Notice anyone can do this..sorry your not unique.
So lets stop with the lies and talk truth. No one is crying no one is hating. Well if that as not what you meant why in the world did you say it? "everyone else does it"...pffft..
I've said this.. I get 15+ greens and now getting blues. Every day and not playing the whole day but just a few hours. Now if you really played from at least WOW you know this should not be like this. Go play on EU side.. its dead. Lol yeah its going to get better by next week.
LIke some said who wants to get to 50 just to go back and do all that over again then over again then over again? Some dont like change I guess.
Its text.. thats it. Its not personal so relax. Just treat others the way you want to be treated. Yes Jesus said that and you know its truth.
As has been stated several times in this thread - even though many of you keep saying "you're not getting the point" - the crux of your complaint is based on the idea that the endgame is leveling VR through quests. It's obviously not. They have stated that they're adding endgame content -- actually a pretty huge amount of it -- which is designed to give you something to do as you progress your character further.
You are not familiar with Elder Scrolls games, you are still too far into the "get to max level asap and skip the content when possible so I can join the real endgame and burn out" box.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Exactly...
Many people who are playing i.e. skyrim/Fallout 3, actually download mods which slows down the character advancement, slows down the character progression and makes the game more difficult. There are modifications which adds more content, more quests, more stories, changes to economics, building your own business with farms or whatever....
These are on of the best mods out there and very famous i.e. survival mods, weather mods, real time travelling, stronger wildlife mods and so on.....
Elder Scrolls is for sure not a game series to get to max asap, the journey is the most interesting and with challenging modificatons you have the best survival rpg on the market.
The people love modificatons for Elder Scrolls games to get more challengin gaming time.
You play Elder Scrolls games for many months with 300+ hours ........
I am atm doing VR grind, atm VR 3 and i am totally burned out it is HELL!. No variation at ALL, those quest are very nice but get booooring after a while, it really gets to u at some point and hits you like a TRUCK. And then imagine doing that till VR10, it is just insane. I like this game very much but VR grind is just HORROR, IF u are a lover or not doing Quests only, u will start to hate questing after playing ESO from VR1 till VR10 in every MMO u play because of the insane grind. I just can't see anymore quest quest quest..Give us some other way to earn VR ranks PLZ ZANIMAX plz!!!, people do like this game! but this is just torcher!
I consider myself as a hardcore gamer play a lot each day ect, causal gamer's will melt at some point when doing VR grind and most of them will never reach VR10 because they will quit the game before that. And then when new content comes out VR grind goes on, i can't see any causal gamer having the nerfs to do this at all.
PS: they will increase XP gain, but that will happen in the next content patch that will prolly come out at the END next month. But i already know that i will be off to a other MMO by that time, and come back after few months when ZANIMAX has improved the game exp/bugged it out/balanced/added BAsic Features like Nameplates that makes it appealing to play it as an MMO PVE and PVP wise. to the game.
Typical. People Always complain about there being not enough content coz you can race through it all and then when a game actually requires you to put some time in they complain its to much grind.
They complain about reports where the majority of players reach the end content way to fast but at the same time if its not so they complain about it taking to long.
Everything should be attainable within 2 weeks right ? Lol ! God forbid something actually takes time.
I swear people have got it down to an art form on this site. 20 pages and people still haven't grasped or tried to get the point. Instead have jumped to the conclusion "content locust" or instant gratification, even when people have explained it so clearly.
So the simple version is this; the VR levels are boring, uninteresting and a pain to do. More alternatives are needed.
That's it, no hidden objective or meaning.
Hate being that guy, but come on guys.
Ihmo, it's understandable. If your going to make this new type of leveling idea and then slap standard quests that you've been doing up until then, whats the point? they might as well just called it level 50 - 60. When you think VR (well me anyway), you think things will become much harder and challenging, and that you won't be doing the same stuff you've been doing since level one. YOu think something new and epic will open up, but instead you just sent back to the other starting areas, nothing wrong with that, but at least make it worth while and make it fun.
People sipt all over SWTOR when they mentioned part of the endgame is to reroll new character with new story prefrably on opposite faction.
So here we are, ESO basically shoves that down your throat just masked as "VRs" and even without new class story SWTOR had to spice it up a bit.
Grind for the sake of grind is not the answer for majority of people.
Its an art and people on these forums have mastered it. Another 20 pages and i can bet you people will still fail to understand what Op was actually saying.
I understand what the OP is saying, but if you didn't like the ride to VR level, then why would you think it would be any different during the VR leveling? It was discussed ad naseum pre launch that VR content consisted of leveling through the other factions, pvp, and veteran dungeons for launch.
What boggles my mind, is why people complain about the way something is while they experience it, when it was made clear that was the intention. If we are going to argue why they label it differently, then lets also discuss why other mmo's do it as well. This is not a unique mechanic to ESO, and honestly I would rather them work on other things (like bugs, etc..) rather than what they label the higher levels.
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You just described "old school" MMOs. How many people play those these days? People want meat not mindless grinds.
It would not be bad if it was optional, but it isnt (well, you can always quit as an option but i doubt many people considers that as something good)
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LOTRO, GW2, SWTOR, WoW....all have it.
iirc, Turbine bragged about having over 1500 quests on launch in LOTRO.
The grind exists because people either have too much time on their hand, or, as some admitted in this thread, use exploits. With early access just about one months has passed and people are through the content already (some even earlier), as usual with MMOs. It's this type of "chewing-up" content which results in this weird mechanisms for "end-game-content".
This screws it up for casual players who will QQ and then it will get nerved and then the "hard-core" players with QQ and so on and so forth. ESO is no exception to the MMO market dynamics, I guess.
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Again, if you aren't in veteran content yourself (VR3+ lets say) you have no business posting in this thread. Your opinion literally does not matter because you have no way of forming an opinion based on facts and reality.
VR was too much of a slog through quests, Zeni realized this and increased exp for kills in both pve and pvp. End of story. Hopefully they will continue to tweak the VR experience because even with the exp changes to mobs I don't see it being terribly lucrative unless the exp also applies to dungeons.
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I understand what the OP is saying, but if you didn't like the ride to VR level, then why would you think it would be any different during the VR leveling? It was discussed ad naseum pre launch that VR content consisted of leveling through the other factions, pvp, and veteran dungeons for launch.
What boggles my mind, is why people complain about the way something is while they experience it, when it was made clear that was the intention. If we are going to argue why they label it differently, then lets also discuss why other mmo's do it as well. This is not a unique mechanic to ESO, and honestly I would rather them work on other things (like bugs, etc..) rather than what they label the higher levels.
Cheers!
No, you clearly don't understand what the OP is saying. nobody is complaining about having to level through VR content, they are upset that there is a lack of options available besides questing in the veteran content. From level 1-50 you could quest, do dungeons, pvp or grind mobs in order to level. VR1+ you can quest, quest, quest and then quest (and if you're lucky, maybe find an exploit like the dungeon boss that let people grind VR6-10 in about 5 hours). There are no other options to progress in a reasonable amount of time.
I agree with you. My plans were to play my templar until I complete the main quest and then create a new character with a different class in a different faction. I was hoping that running dungeons would be a good way of gaining XP without going to the other factions for the VR ranks. I am fine with players having the option to gain their VR ranks through questing in other factions, but I don't understand why zenimax did not provide the option for players to gain their VR ranks by running dungeons. In about 3 months, many will have to beg their guildies to run dungeons with them because no one will want to run them after the first time.
Because of this, I am not rolling a new character. Matter of fact, I will take a break from this game until zenimax provides the alternative. There are other things I would like to see in-game such as necromancer class or skill line, but for now, I am back to Skyrim. I will check on ESO news though.
Wow, I really did NOT understand what everybody was talking about. I'm actually forced to eat a little bit of crow here. It's not the fact that the VR Grind is bad, it's the fact that all the little things you could do to level before you can't anymore at VR.
I could be mistaken but there's no exploration XP anymore, finding and opening chests don't do it either. All the things that made leveling bearable before is absolutely gone. For the first time ever in ESO I caught myself skipping through quest dialogue. I honestly don't give a shit about the other 2 factions besides the one I picked and now I have nothing to do in between quests.
I'm not saying it needs to be fast but what a way to basically say "do it all again except don't enjoy the varied way to progress". I don't think I have the patience to do it all again. Wow that kinda blows.
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