Originally posted by GeezerGamer In the example you quoted, that too is wrong. But it's the idea of libeling someone personally because they posted an opinion on intellectual property that is wrong. It doesn't matter who's doing it.
And here we have it. "Opinions can be wrong." I read it on the internet, so it must be true.
You do realize that Libel is not an opinion right?
Yea. My apologies for reading that totally wrong. BeansnBread showed me the light
I thought that was strange coming from you, but I just could not get the subject of your sentence right.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle For me it was not hate, I really enjoyed the game. I didnt like the direction a few things went. To much phasing made teaming a pain. I play with my wife and about 25% of the time she was this little arrow I could follow but not help in any way. Then instanced parts of the game you could not work together on because ZM wanted you to feel epic by doing it solo. Not really why I play and took me out of the fun by having to ask my wife again and again, can you see me? Do you see this node? Guess thats phased just for me =- If I wanted to play a solo game I would have played Morrowind again. If they change this... I just may buy the game. Im a huge TES fan its just that I dont play MMOs to solo.
This!! ^
ESO is a SP game, only time you have the feeling of an MMO is in public dungeons together with The Bot Brothers.
"I once was an adventurer like you, but then I got an Arrow above my head!"
Are you guys not aware of the travel to player feature that's been in since launch (or earlier?) I play with the wife as well and if we are ever in a different instance we just pop the party window open, right click, travel to player...done! Is it that hard to learn? Literally takes 10 seconds.
Fix spelling
Nope I didnt know that you had to do that to fix problem with phasing. Thanks for the tip, I will try it if I need it in the future, for now I continue to single play the game as my gaming friend has jumped of the Eso train.
It's not a question of travelling to the player... it's the phasing.
If you and I are both standing there, in the same instance, and you want to do a quest that I've already done, I cannot help you in any way. Literally, you will be fighting stuff that I can't see. That's not being in a different instance (in game terms), that's the quest objectives (npc's, objects, etc) being only visible and affectable for you.
That's what makes TESO a single player game. The fact that the only effective grouping you can do is in dungeons, or if you somehow manage to keep yourself in perfect lock-step with the person you're trying to group with. In every other way, you simply can't play together.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle For me it was not hate, I really enjoyed the game. I didnt like the direction a few things went. To much phasing made teaming a pain. I play with my wife and about 25% of the time she was this little arrow I could follow but not help in any way. Then instanced parts of the game you could not work together on because ZM wanted you to feel epic by doing it solo. Not really why I play and took me out of the fun by having to ask my wife again and again, can you see me? Do you see this node? Guess thats phased just for me =- If I wanted to play a solo game I would have played Morrowind again. If they change this... I just may buy the game. Im a huge TES fan its just that I dont play MMOs to solo.
This!! ^
ESO is a SP game, only time you have the feeling of an MMO is in public dungeons together with The Bot Brothers.
"I once was an adventurer like you, but then I got an Arrow above my head!"
Are you guys not aware of the travel to player feature that's been in since launch (or earlier?) I play with the wife as well and if we are ever in a different instance we just pop the party window open, right click, travel to player...done! Is it that hard to learn? Literally takes 10 seconds.
Fix spelling
Not talking about being in a different shard. If you dont know what phasing is pls google it.
Are you seriously complaining about the 1% of the game where it makes you go solo? WOW, really? You people crack me up. To each his own, but to make a point of such a small element in the game is telling the rest of your opinion.
Nope Im not complaining about single quests. Its that thing when you are out in the open, group up with a friend and you cant see each other just an arrow above your head, you cant point out nodes or even help in not single quests. Thats what I am talking about. As I said I dont have any problem with some single player phases, but to be in a constant single player mode, thats a bit odd to be an MMO.
But I will try this Travel thing, didnt even now it existed, and you had to do that to group up with friends.
theres always going to be haters and fanboys because no 1 game can appeal to everyone.
it is exactly like personal taste in music.
reviews can give you an idea about gameplay, quality and stability etc.
but not value.
argue categorization and comparisons to everything that's already been done till your blue in the face but like music the development of MMOs or any game is as varied and free thinking as any creative work.
id just like to see gamers make up their own minds and ignore positive or negative hype on a game.
point being... no one is truly qualified to tell you what you must or must not enjoy as entertainment. no grand poobah that I've seen. though plenty of players feel their own personal preferences are worth voicing.
In a vacuum and independently of any other game, each game is perfect. So comparison to known games is necessary.
Also you should always judge something by the main function it is expected to perform. If the main functions of the item is severely impaired by the flaws/errors of the item, then it would be unfit for the said function and it would be expected from people to rate their purchase poorly/not purchase the item.
Lastly, there is a difference between a simple game (as in "making the game simpler and easier") and quality of life ("making life simpler and easier"). They do not have to come together.
I don't believe in a conspiracy of "ESO hate". The game simply performed poorly at its main functions and many people, individually, came to the same conclusion that the game isn't in a great state.
Between the inability to play this game with your friends due to phasing, the tons of bugs, the totally misleading game-trailer and the blatant money-grabbing tactics this game is getting what it's got coming. You can't just fail to deliver what was promised and have everybody applauding your efforts. Some people will actually object.
Maybe in a few months time this game will be worth the price, maybe it still won't and they'll be working on turning this game F2P.
Maybe Skyrim was just too good, but I don't see this amount of "hate" being unfair, harsh maybe, but not unfair.
How is ESO more simple than WOW. Combat is much more challenging,, especially when you don't pay attention wanderingthe countryside and being swarmed by 3 plus mobs.fish i do hope they fix fishing so there is a reason to fish. really enjoying myselfwhen i get to play
What is it with these fire and forget articles all the time anyway?
Why doesn't the author take part in the discussion and replies to the many points raised?
I believe R.Aihoshi once started this trend with spewing his hate and belittlement over people who prefer P2P over F2P and never did a single post in return. Lately all the other hireling parttime writers seem to follow this.
I cancelled before the first month was up for one reason:
I'm sick of MMOs that honestly emphasize soloing. Call me old school, but I'd rather play an MMO where my character didn't feel like a demigod, able to slaughter 10 enemies at a time. I'd rather have to group up to take on that dungeon, and I'd rather my dungeons be deep, complex, and complete with multiple wings. Not 15 minute walks through unimaginative caves. And when you allow folks to solo 1 to 50, all of a sudden nobody feels like interacting, just get my kill count and get out. That sucks.
Singleplayer Elder Scrolls fans were never going to be the lifeblood of this game if they weren't already fans of MMOs. That's why they played the singleplayer Elder Scrolls games in the first place. To cater to such a high degree that, literally, some quests cannot be completed in a group and must be done alone, in a massively multiplayer online game is just stupid. End of story.
I'm sick of the solo MMO. Somebody give us back those MMOs that force you to interact with other players to experience the content fully and effectively. Y'know, something massively multiplayer. That way, we can weed out the pricks and elitists and start to have fun again. If I wanted to just have the multiplayer part of the equation strictly optional, I'd just play Diablo 3/Path of Exile/Torchlight 2.
No offence to the writer, but considering the critic average rating from 45 well known and reliable reviewrs which is 72 currently and the 6.2 user rating. The STRANGE thing is the amount of fanboys trying to protect this game and not the amount of haters.Unless u consider a hater someone who spend 100 dolars to buy and play a mediocre game.
The only thing epic fail about ESO is in inability of the critics to accurately compare it to the rest of the industry. Compared to the majority of MMO's out there, it is a MUCH better game. Yes it has issues, just like any other MMO. If anyone remembers SWG in it's first year, it was a complete mess.
I tend to criticize a lot I read on this board, but all I see about this game is a lot of whining about unrealized expectations. NO game is even close to finished when it is released, especially a MMO. Personally I find it refreshing that we don't see an expensive cash shop with lots of pay-to-win items. If you yearn for that go try a PW game or most of the other Asian built games, all of them are loaded with that trash.
I see all those hopeful posts about upcoming games like Archage and Black Desert. This game will own either of those easily! Go read about the latest Archage changes on the Korean servers, pay-to-win all the way and then some. I will be shocked if Black Desert is anything other than a huge grind fest.
Remember everything is relative to what it compares to.
I'm tired of mmos being so solo friendly and with rediculous hotbar rotations cutting off any communication. People really don't like to talk at all anymore, and without the social interaction its not an mmorpg, its just a bunch of single player online rpgs.
However, I am one of those people who gladly buys 6 or 7 / 10 rated games and never has any complaint about it. I don't think it should have a subscription, but I can see why they did it, I just personally prefer buy to play myself.
Of course, none of us want those rediculously overpowered items on marketplaces, the idea is buy to play should sell DLC like console games do, not equipment with stats and self-rez / hp / mana potions that should all be crafted in-game. There shouldn't be any exclusive mounts at all, they should all be legendary challenging quest lines done in DLC packs.
Games should be played and not bought, there's no reason why a game would have a subscription if they are right about it only having 20 hours of content, is it really that short? This is why Star Wars ToR is free to play, it has no content to justify its subscription, there are almost no instances and very little variety!!
All the flashpoints can be done so quickly!!! For a subscription, it is supposed to be a huge expansive MMO World with Social Interaction, where did all of that go? I hope TESO actually has a lot more content and a lot more updates coming really quickly, if what people say about it being so short is true.
This game is horrible ok your a fanboy got it if you like play it if you don't don't ok Cpt obvious a game should be fun not a job I am sorry I don't want to spend hours trying to find someone to buy my crafted items or my mats having a Auction House allows me to make gold to buy mounts weapons and armor oh and mats I need to make those items. I am sorry I rather spend my time playing the games content than having to work at communicating and selling items so spoon feed me the things that should be spoon feed so I can focus on the what I enjoy and that is farming mats selling them crafting items selling them and then heading out on my adventure a game should not feel like a job is should be fun and ESO is not fun and that is why it will fail Wildstar is fun to play and it crafting and mat farming are easy and fun not a pain like ESO which is very painful and not to mention for the most part unusable and unsellable yes I know those are not real words.. Wildstar is the next big MMO as they listen to the customer and have created a balance that will be the new model of modern MMOs which a MMO is service and we need as a service provider listen to the customer and give them a fun product that they enjoy playing not what we see as what we want to give them. Blizzard forgot this and that is why they are in decline I mean people are not going to stay with a company that takes 13 months to produce new content for a monthly fee of 15 bucks that is not going to fit the bill in the future and besides WOW has become a mean hearted community if you don't believe me just que up for a LFR and watch how much hate and mean people are in the game how the complain that the spend 3 hours in a raid for not one drop of gear OMG WOW is so bad now I played for 7 yrs paid monthly and think the game is a pile of crap and the company has gotten so big it moves like a government agency not a gaming company.
I quite enjoyed the ESO beta, when I had the opportunity to participate in it. I didn't like it enough to buy the game though. Primarily, I don't have time to play a game enough to justify a monthly fee at this point in my life.
I will say that I'm among the group that was disappointed with it based on the fact that it's hardly an ES game. I was really excited at the prospect of an Oblivion or Skyrim type experience in an MMO, but sadly this didn't happen. But separating my disappointment from the game... it's still a really good MMO, with what seemed to be a very in depth story, and plenty to do on your own, or with a group if you so chose.
If ESO is ever offered in a free to play format, I'll be sure to give it a serious shot.
Originally posted by beej1986 I think the major issue is that people have high expectations when a game wants box + subscription. It does not matter that games like wow had problems when they were released, this game is not competing with the vanilla wow that had problems, it's competing with the polished wow of today. When you release a game in 2014 with issues and less features then Other games and want a premium price, we have a problem. If you want premium price for your product, deliever premium service.
Winner.
People are down on ESO, because it is not a great ES game, nor a great MMO, and yet was released will a ton of bugs, dupes and bad design choices.
All for $60 +$15/mo + cash shop.
Had this been some F2P crap from Cryptic ala NW, people would have complained, but not cared that much,
But this was Elder Scrolls.
They used the IP to generate hype and sell boxes, but higher expectations come when you use a well known/loved IP.
And they have failed to meet the expectations of many or most (heard of TOR? Sound familiar?).
And if I might quote Angry Joe, "(They) done F****d it up!"
Originally posted by onemanwolf This game is horrible ok your a fanboy got it if you like play it if you don't don't ok Cpt obvious a game should be fun not a job I am sorry I don't want to spend hours trying to find someone to buy my crafted items or my mats having a Auction House allows me to make gold to buy mounts weapons and armor oh and mats I need to make those items. I am sorry I rather spend my time playing the games content than having to work at communicating and selling items so spoon feed me the things that should be spoon feed so I can focus on the what I enjoy and that is farming mats selling them crafting items selling them and then heading out on my adventure a game should not feel like a job is should be fun and ESO is not fun and that is why it will fail Wildstar is fun to play and it crafting and mat farming are easy and fun not a pain like ESO which is very painful and not to mention for the most part unusable and unsellable yes I know those are not real words.. Wildstar is the next big MMO as they listen to the customer and have created a balance that will be the new model of modern MMOs which a MMO is service and we need as a service provider listen to the customer and give them a fun product that they enjoy playing not what we see as what we want to give them. Blizzard forgot this and that is why they are in decline I mean people are not going to stay with a company that takes 13 months to produce new content for a monthly fee of 15 bucks that is not going to fit the bill in the future and besides WOW has become a mean hearted community if you don't believe me just que up for a LFR and watch how much hate and mean people are in the game how the complain that the spend 3 hours in a raid for not one drop of gear OMG WOW is so bad now I played for 7 yrs paid monthly and think the game is a pile of crap and the company has gotten so big it moves like a government agency not a gaming company.
Most people don't read wall-of-text.
Try to use punctuation more. Thank about paragraph breaks as well. Otherwise, why spend all the time writing if no one reads it?
I can understand your frustration as I shelled out 150 for archage's alpha and I am 100% unsatisfied with the game. I was promised a completely new sandbox experience and from what I see so far it's a cross between runes of magic and dragon's prophet (dragon's prophet being better then archage). The combat and graphics suck- it's 2014 not 2005.
I am also not happy with my recent purchase of guild wars 2. Supposed to be the best mmo of 2012 and I just can't find the enjoyment in a non sandbox game. So far I blew 200 bucks for nothing.
I hear I am supposed to buy wildstar but I am refusing. I am not a fan of sci-fi fantasy. This is a far stretch to be called anything like world of Warcraft as wow had no sci-fi. If anything it is a clone of allods online.
My expectations are, however, set high for everquest next. I believe this is the type of sandbox I can enjoy. It appears it will have everything archage already has but more control of the sandbox elements with the latest technology like destructible enviroments and smart ui. They will also follow up on that with storyline- best of both worlds.
How far did you go in archeage? I too bought into the alpha. I am told the game is very grindy until higher lvls when you learn how to do the trade runs and the other fun stuff the game has to offer.
I have really enjoyed ESO. I dont understand what people want these days from a game. I play a game for what it is - i play till i no longer am having fun and i move on. If i get 40 hours from a game (i always get much more) i feel i have my money's worth. It costs 60 bucks to go to the movies and have popcorn etc (2 people) these days and you cant log in every day.
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I've misread my share of posts as well.
Nope I didnt know that you had to do that to fix problem with phasing. Thanks for the tip, I will try it if I need it in the future, for now I continue to single play the game as my gaming friend has jumped of the Eso train.
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It's not a question of travelling to the player... it's the phasing.
If you and I are both standing there, in the same instance, and you want to do a quest that I've already done, I cannot help you in any way. Literally, you will be fighting stuff that I can't see. That's not being in a different instance (in game terms), that's the quest objectives (npc's, objects, etc) being only visible and affectable for you.
That's what makes TESO a single player game. The fact that the only effective grouping you can do is in dungeons, or if you somehow manage to keep yourself in perfect lock-step with the person you're trying to group with. In every other way, you simply can't play together.
Nope Im not complaining about single quests. Its that thing when you are out in the open, group up with a friend and you cant see each other just an arrow above your head, you cant point out nodes or even help in not single quests. Thats what I am talking about. As I said I dont have any problem with some single player phases, but to be in a constant single player mode, thats a bit odd to be an MMO.
But I will try this Travel thing, didnt even now it existed, and you had to do that to group up with friends.
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I think the OP's point is made.
theres always going to be haters and fanboys because no 1 game can appeal to everyone.
it is exactly like personal taste in music.
reviews can give you an idea about gameplay, quality and stability etc.
but not value.
argue categorization and comparisons to everything that's already been done till your blue in the face but like music the development of MMOs or any game is as varied and free thinking as any creative work.
id just like to see gamers make up their own minds and ignore positive or negative hype on a game.
point being... no one is truly qualified to tell you what you must or must not enjoy as entertainment. no grand poobah that I've seen. though plenty of players feel their own personal preferences are worth voicing.
"one mans trash is another mans treasure".
In a vacuum and independently of any other game, each game is perfect. So comparison to known games is necessary.
Also you should always judge something by the main function it is expected to perform. If the main functions of the item is severely impaired by the flaws/errors of the item, then it would be unfit for the said function and it would be expected from people to rate their purchase poorly/not purchase the item.
Lastly, there is a difference between a simple game (as in "making the game simpler and easier") and quality of life ("making life simpler and easier"). They do not have to come together.
I don't believe in a conspiracy of "ESO hate". The game simply performed poorly at its main functions and many people, individually, came to the same conclusion that the game isn't in a great state.
Between the inability to play this game with your friends due to phasing, the tons of bugs, the totally misleading game-trailer and the blatant money-grabbing tactics this game is getting what it's got coming. You can't just fail to deliver what was promised and have everybody applauding your efforts. Some people will actually object.
Maybe in a few months time this game will be worth the price, maybe it still won't and they'll be working on turning this game F2P.
Maybe Skyrim was just too good, but I don't see this amount of "hate" being unfair, harsh maybe, but not unfair.
i do hope they fix fishing so there is a reason to fish. really enjoying myselfwhen i get to play
What is it with these fire and forget articles all the time anyway?
Why doesn't the author take part in the discussion and replies to the many points raised?
I believe R.Aihoshi once started this trend with spewing his hate and belittlement over people who prefer P2P over F2P and never did a single post in return. Lately all the other hireling parttime writers seem to follow this.
I wish articles had a report option.
It's ok guys, Firor is aware of the negatively and bad reviews has a plan in place to use the fans to viral market the game for him.
I cancelled before the first month was up for one reason:
I'm sick of MMOs that honestly emphasize soloing. Call me old school, but I'd rather play an MMO where my character didn't feel like a demigod, able to slaughter 10 enemies at a time. I'd rather have to group up to take on that dungeon, and I'd rather my dungeons be deep, complex, and complete with multiple wings. Not 15 minute walks through unimaginative caves. And when you allow folks to solo 1 to 50, all of a sudden nobody feels like interacting, just get my kill count and get out. That sucks.
Singleplayer Elder Scrolls fans were never going to be the lifeblood of this game if they weren't already fans of MMOs. That's why they played the singleplayer Elder Scrolls games in the first place. To cater to such a high degree that, literally, some quests cannot be completed in a group and must be done alone, in a massively multiplayer online game is just stupid. End of story.
I'm sick of the solo MMO. Somebody give us back those MMOs that force you to interact with other players to experience the content fully and effectively. Y'know, something massively multiplayer. That way, we can weed out the pricks and elitists and start to have fun again. If I wanted to just have the multiplayer part of the equation strictly optional, I'd just play Diablo 3/Path of Exile/Torchlight 2.
No offence to the writer, but considering the critic average rating from 45 well known and reliable reviewrs which is 72 currently and the 6.2 user rating. The STRANGE thing is the amount of fanboys trying to protect this game and not the amount of haters.Unless u consider a hater someone who spend 100 dolars to buy and play a mediocre game.
If you are a fan of ESO do NOT read the review by Tomshardware.
Pretty scathing.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/the-elder-scrolls-online-review,3815.html
"Epic Adventure of Epic Fail?" They say without any room for doubt "epic fail."
The only thing epic fail about ESO is in inability of the critics to accurately compare it to the rest of the industry. Compared to the majority of MMO's out there, it is a MUCH better game. Yes it has issues, just like any other MMO. If anyone remembers SWG in it's first year, it was a complete mess.
I tend to criticize a lot I read on this board, but all I see about this game is a lot of whining about unrealized expectations. NO game is even close to finished when it is released, especially a MMO. Personally I find it refreshing that we don't see an expensive cash shop with lots of pay-to-win items. If you yearn for that go try a PW game or most of the other Asian built games, all of them are loaded with that trash.
I see all those hopeful posts about upcoming games like Archage and Black Desert. This game will own either of those easily! Go read about the latest Archage changes on the Korean servers, pay-to-win all the way and then some. I will be shocked if Black Desert is anything other than a huge grind fest.
Remember everything is relative to what it compares to.
I'm tired of mmos being so solo friendly and with rediculous hotbar rotations cutting off any communication. People really don't like to talk at all anymore, and without the social interaction its not an mmorpg, its just a bunch of single player online rpgs.
However, I am one of those people who gladly buys 6 or 7 / 10 rated games and never has any complaint about it. I don't think it should have a subscription, but I can see why they did it, I just personally prefer buy to play myself.
Of course, none of us want those rediculously overpowered items on marketplaces, the idea is buy to play should sell DLC like console games do, not equipment with stats and self-rez / hp / mana potions that should all be crafted in-game. There shouldn't be any exclusive mounts at all, they should all be legendary challenging quest lines done in DLC packs.
Games should be played and not bought, there's no reason why a game would have a subscription if they are right about it only having 20 hours of content, is it really that short? This is why Star Wars ToR is free to play, it has no content to justify its subscription, there are almost no instances and very little variety!!
All the flashpoints can be done so quickly!!! For a subscription, it is supposed to be a huge expansive MMO World with Social Interaction, where did all of that go? I hope TESO actually has a lot more content and a lot more updates coming really quickly, if what people say about it being so short is true.
I after paying over 1000 for a prem. box I expect to have a playable game to play
not bugs and quest who are also over power diff to solve
I been playing mmo from early days thats 1980
Communtity lol todays gamers cant even use a ingame chatt or spell for that matter
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I quite enjoyed the ESO beta, when I had the opportunity to participate in it. I didn't like it enough to buy the game though. Primarily, I don't have time to play a game enough to justify a monthly fee at this point in my life.
I will say that I'm among the group that was disappointed with it based on the fact that it's hardly an ES game. I was really excited at the prospect of an Oblivion or Skyrim type experience in an MMO, but sadly this didn't happen. But separating my disappointment from the game... it's still a really good MMO, with what seemed to be a very in depth story, and plenty to do on your own, or with a group if you so chose.
If ESO is ever offered in a free to play format, I'll be sure to give it a serious shot.
Angry Joe - LOL - what a loser
Most people don't read wall-of-text.
Try to use punctuation more. Thank about paragraph breaks as well. Otherwise, why spend all the time writing if no one reads it?
How far did you go in archeage? I too bought into the alpha. I am told the game is very grindy until higher lvls when you learn how to do the trade runs and the other fun stuff the game has to offer.
I have really enjoyed ESO. I dont understand what people want these days from a game. I play a game for what it is - i play till i no longer am having fun and i move on. If i get 40 hours from a game (i always get much more) i feel i have my money's worth. It costs 60 bucks to go to the movies and have popcorn etc (2 people) these days and you cant log in every day.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson